Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

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More like it becomes less painful to pay taxes when you can live comfortably withing your legitimate finances and see it being put towards services and construction that actually improves your daily lives. No Canadian city has central heating, but that seems to be something more common in Russia, for example.
 
AMK mapping about 20m ago said there are reports that Russia is beginning an attack over the Dnieper into occupied Kherson.

Considering the dude has been pretty reliable I am inclined to believe there is something to his claim, though given the fog of war it will take a few hours to be sure.
Assuming what he is saying is true and we are witnessing another front flare up it would be a disservice to not post about it, regardless of how it ends


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Edit: If this really is real and we are seeing a new front be activated like we did in Kharkov and Kursk and that this isn't just schizoposting or false info planted by either side then not only would it explain the training we saw of Russian marines months ago and all the claims for the past few weeks that Russia was planning a return to Kherson.
 
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AMK mapping about 20m ago said there are reports that Russia is beginning an attack over the Dnieper into occupied Kherson.

Considering the dude has been pretty reliable I am inclined to believe there is something to his claim, though given the fog of war it will take a few hours to be sure.
Assuming what he is saying is true and we are witnessing another front flare up it would be a disservice to not post about it, regardless of how it ends


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Edit: If this really is real and we are seeing a new front be activated like we did in Kharkov and Kursk and that this isn't just schizoposting or false info planted by either side then not only would it explain the training we saw of Russian marines months ago and all the claims for the past few weeks that Russia was planning a return to Kherson.
I wonder how Ukraine plans to muster up forces to hold that front? The Kursk game of silly buggers basically sapped it of strength to hold it's other fronts.

Honestly if Ukraine collapses before Trump becomes president in January 20th it'll save everyone a lot of paperwork.
 
I wonder how Ukraine plans to muster up forces to hold that front? The Kursk game of silly buggers basically sapped it of strength to hold it's other fronts.

Honestly if Ukraine collapses before Trump becomes president in January 20th it'll save everyone a lot of paperwork.
Knowing Zelensky he will likely keep doing the same thing he has done since the start: hold on to every inch of ground till even retreat is barely worth it.

Also I don't want to be an armchair general but I cannot think of a better time to launch a offensive in Zaporozhia than when Ukraine is frantically diverting troops from it, a mostly inactive front (compared to the rest) in order to bolster the defences of a region that can only count on it for fast reinforcements.
 
AMK mapping about 20m ago said there are reports that Russia is beginning an attack over the Dnieper into occupied Kherson.
Russia's really been on the move lately. I wonder if this is a probing attack? They made a dash into Kupansk a few weeks ago that nothing more came of. Or maybe they've found another paper brigade where officers are pocketing payrolls of soldiers who don't exist (this also happened recently, north of Kupansk) and want to see how much ground they can take before the Ukrainians send real troops. Big sweeping breakthroughs don't seem to be the Russian MO right now, they've been keeping their forces on very tight logistical leashes since late 2022.
 
AMK mapping about 20m ago said there are reports that Russia is beginning an attack over the Dnieper into occupied Kherson.

Considering the dude has been pretty reliable I am inclined to believe there is something to his claim, though given the fog of war it will take a few hours to be sure.
Assuming what he is saying is true and we are witnessing another front flare up it would be a disservice to not post about it, regardless of how it ends


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Edit: If this really is real and we are seeing a new front be activated like we did in Kharkov and Kursk and that this isn't just schizoposting or false info planted by either side then not only would it explain the training we saw of Russian marines months ago and all the claims for the past few weeks that Russia was planning a return to Kherson.
I don't see how this is realistically feasible. Last time Russia withdrew it was because their supply chains were in a precarious position with a small handful of connections bridging the Dnieper river. This hasn't changed as far as I can see. If Russia wants to create a new front to bleed Ukraine faster, a proper Sumy offensive is on the cards once Kursk is dealt with. A big arrow push toward Izium is also warranted once Kupiansk is conquered. This is a critical step in isolating the Kramatorsk-Kostiantinivka line. I think they're already pressing toward it based on the efforts to secure the Oskil river.
 
Last time Russia withdrew it was because their supply chains were in a precarious position with a small handful of connections bridging the Dnieper river
A dam was blown up in the mean time, which means it can't be blown up again (well, akhchually it can but..)
One of the reason of the retreat was that the ukies were ready to flood the region.

Thanks that was interesting ^

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I don't see how this is realistically feasible.
Part of it is likely just how stretched Ukraine is. Any vulnerability Russia might have on this offensive would require Ukraine to have men and material on hand to capitalize on it. If Ukraine does decide this is the more important fight and reallocates the material from other fronts, they'll be forced to back off, but wherever that material comes from is going to keep being a Russian progressive rollup as its denied reinforcement and resupply. Its more likely that Ukraine keeps spreading itself thin, and on that ground this attack is worth trying, in case they fail to response thoroughly enough and give Russia a salient that can protect those supply weaknesses. If they're wrong about it they can just back off again.
 
Is this for real? Sounds like an absolute nightmare considering that Canadian climate is similar to Russian.
It really is. Aside from a few train stops there is no public heating areas outside of government buildings, they even shut off heaters on the few covered bus stops as they were attracting homeless junkies
 
Hey gentlemen sorry to come in here and tard out but what do any of you view as the end to this conflict? All things must come to an end, and in my simple view I feel that Ukraine will cede certain Eastern parts of the country, Luhansk peoples Republic and such, and most unfortunately I feel like the Ukrainians will be pressaured to let the Russkies keep Crimea and most imporantely Sevastopol, what do you think.? You guys dont think it will end with Russ Federation troops lifting the flag over the Kiev Opera do you?
 
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Hey gentlemen sorry to come in here and tard out but what do any of you view as the end to this conflict? All things must come to an end, and in my simple view I feel that Ukraine will cede certain Western parts of the country, Luhansk peoples Republic and such, and most unfortunately I feel like the Ukrainians will be pressaured to let the Russkies keep Crimea and most imporantely Sevastopol, what do you think.? You guys dont think it will end with Russ Federation troops lifting the flag over the Kiev Opera do you?
Imo most likely situation, again, in my opinion:

- UAF deteriorates to a point where it cant do much beyond symbollic last stands
- RuAF pushes on to claim their claimed oblasts in full
- Some sort of actual peace treaty where ukraine does nothing but signs the ready document - by someone. Doubt the cocaine man would still be in charge at this point.

Not sure about those points:
- Poles, Hungarians and Romanians get their historical clay (Lwów is a polish city after all)
- Ukraine becomes landlocked
- Cocaine man gets assasinated by disenfranchised ex troop or a fanatical loyalist (I wish)

What I know for sure is that ukrop fatigue is real, both among people like you and me and elites alike. Most people dont care what happens on steppes, they do care about rising prices of everything and neverending aid to a shithole they could not point on the map.

ETA Crimea and Donbass are Russian. No amount of propaganda or wishful thinking is going to change it. There was a chance to retake them - that was in 2014-2017. Now its long gone.
 
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Crimea is long gone for the Ukes, and anything that is pretending otherwise is propaganda, or wistful thinking. Basically everything east of the dnieper is going to be grabbed up, it's a question of what if anything on the other side will go to Russia, but most likely the west side of it becomes a big ol demilatrized zone, and what remains of Ukriane will be a sad state.

I don't think most people imagine Russia taking over the entirety of the terriority of Ukriane, unless they've bought the idea of it being a conquest war predicated on russian bloodlust.
 
You say Ukrop failure but I feel by turning the 3 day Special Military Operation into a 3 year meatgrinder I think the Ukrainians have succeeded. What do you think?
I feel youve been swallowing Natoslop. The only person claiming it would take three days was the DEI hire Milley, and then the rest of propaganda machine swallowed it up. Russia never stated how long it was going to take.

Ironically, Milley was right in a way. Russians did reach Kiev after two days.
 
You say Ukrop failure but I feel by turning the 3 day Special Military Operation into a 3 year meatgrinder I think the Ukrainians have succeeded. What do you think?
So outside of a western officer who said months before the conflict began that an attack on Kyiv would be a 3 day operation, where do you get this from?
 
You say Ukrop failure but I feel by turning the 3 day Special Military Operation into a 3 year meatgrinder I think the Ukrainians have succeeded. What do you think?
That was never the Ukrainian’s goals. Russia wanted to protect the two republics. This has been accomplished, but you could easily argue it’s a pyrrhic victory. Ukraine wanted to take back Crimea and the republics, but was willing to settle for just giving up territory and securing a peace treaty, which they were very close to achieving until the UK promised an easy victory over Russia if they just kept fighting. The west are the ones who wanted as many dead slavs as possible, and they’ve been very successful in that.
 
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