YABookgate

[Misogenes]

Isn't YA's main audience women in their twenties to thirties? No wonder based YA isn't getting numbers; the audience for it just isn't there because they're trying to sell to danger-hairs and handmaidens.

And I don't imagine they'll get a lot of books sold to libraries, because the public libraries are run by women who eat up modern YA slop and yaoi.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Isn't YA's main audience women in their twenties to thirties? No wonder based YA isn't getting numbers; the audience for it just isn't there because they're trying to sell to danger-hairs and handmaidens.

And I don't imagine they'll get a lot of books sold to libraries, because the public libraries are run by women who eat up modern YA slop and yaoi.

idk I just go to them to shop in the library's used bookstores.

Kids want interesting situations, action, adventures, and fun stuff. I don't think any 14 year old wants gender dynamics and identity politics.

 

[Flexo]

I'm working on some other stuff in private these days, some more slop-like than others (got a very fun twist on the "superhero isekai" with around 70k words in it for example), but I will never not regret wasting years corrupting one of my best ideas until it was total fucking shit. The original would have been long, rambling at points, probably a bit too mature for the target audience, and maybe even a bit overly introspective, but one thing it wouldn't have been was stupid. What I turned it into was stupid slop.

Between you, @WelperHelper99 and @Mola Ram , I half think NULL should just open a fiction segment and let the board off the chain.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Between you, @WelperHelper99 and @Mola Ram , I half think NULL should just open a fiction segment and let the board off the chain.

That would be fun. I got to get back to writing lol, I kinda just got stuck after last chapter basically reset my progress to the beginning.

 

[Flexo]

That would be fun. I got to get back to writing lol, I kinda just got stuck after last chapter basically reset my progress to the beginning.

I told you to go ahead and try to use your momentum to get out an ending - even a half assed one!

 

[WelperHelper99]

I told you to go ahead and try to use your momentum to get out an ending - even a half assed one!

I mean I am. I'm just reworking things. You just did break me out of my writers block, so that's good lol. That prologue is coming along now. So thank you lol

 

[Flexo]

I got curious and went and realized that I read not even 5 books by women in my entire life.

What I read:
- ''Oriental Tales'' by Marguerite Yourcenar
- ''The Most Evil Secret Societies in History'' by Shelley Klein
- ''Frankenstein'' by Mary Shelley (kinda adapted for children)
-''Depois daquela viagem'' by Valéria Piassa Polizzi (it was for middle school, teenage girl gets aids and writes a book about her life after it, I dont remember shit but gave 1 star)

I never even realized this, It wasn't a conscious decision and I did read a lot of manga by women that I love it.

Also books by trannies:
- zero

Just gonna say, "Wrinkle in Time" by Madeleine L'Engle. Each book is a trip.

Don't even get me started on the recent movie adaption. It was as faithful as an adaption of the Passion of the Christ by Satan.

 

[Mola Ram]

Don't even get me started on the recent movie adaption. It was as faithful as an adaption of the Passion of the Christ by Satan.

The back-to-back cinematic abortions of A Wrinkle in Time and The House With a Clock in Its Walls made ol' Mola strongly consider leaping into the magma pit with a smile on his phiz.

Between you, @WelperHelper99 and @Mola Ram , I half think NULL should just open a fiction segment and let the board off the chain.

I'd be up for it!

 

[Alexander Thaut]

I got curious and went and realized that I read not even 5 books by women in my entire life.

What I read:
- ''Oriental Tales'' by Marguerite Yourcenar
- ''The Most Evil Secret Societies in History'' by Shelley Klein
- ''Frankenstein'' by Mary Shelley (kinda adapted for children)
-''Depois daquela viagem'' by Valéria Piassa Polizzi (it was for middle school, teenage girl gets aids and writes a book about her life after it, I dont remember shit but gave 1 star)

I never even realized this, It wasn't a conscious decision and I did read a lot of manga by women that I love it.

Also books by trannies:
- zero

I have, but all the women writers have been mostly long dead.

Agatha Christie, Dorothy Sayers, Leigh Brackett, C. L. Moore, etc.

 

[Henri Barbusse]

I have, but all the women writers have been mostly long dead.

Agatha Christie, Dorothy Sayers, Leigh Brackett, C. L. Moore, etc.

The only woman writer I read that's still alive was born in 1930.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

The only woman writer I read that's still alive was born in 1930.

Cherryh?

I find it fucking hilarious that there's so much shit where people go on and on about "owning da chuds" by going "omg you haven't read anything by [women/minority group]? you're so uneducated [or pick your insult]"

Meanwhile I'm out here thinking it's fucking funny watching how they've basically forced the indies+"old school revival/reprint" environments to grow to match the lack of supply for masculine fiction. I've seen like 5 different memes in the recent past where it's just some retard whining about how the sci-fi/fantasy sections of so many bookstores are le dead white men.

Like, istg, I've seen romantasy become its own seperate set of shelves, which is nice.

It's just funny seeing all these people adopt such a childish notion akin to "if Tolkein was removed from shelves then all these niggers and gay women would naturally be selling"

 

[Flexo]

Fate/TYPE-MOON, after a single year released a sequel, a prequel teo years later, then it got adapted into anime, then a movie (that adapts the Second arc), a manga adaptation then a new futuristic game released in 2010, a magical girl spinoff series, a comedy series all in 2007.

And that was just the beginning. They understood that people liked the world so far and then build on it by bringing in fans to build it further, new authors, new illustrators and so on making a literal media empire born out a single work released 20 years ago.

I don't want you underselling just how much Fate stuff has been put out.

No really, it's been huge. Reg is right, HP is... kind of undersold.

(i was kind of into Fate at the start... and then it went off and left me)

 

[Vecr]

I don't want you underselling just how much Fate stuff has been put out.

No really, it's been huge. Reg is right, HP is... kind of undersold.

(i was kind of into Fate at the start... and then it went off and left me)

Is that Air Bud in the thumbnail? What?

(Also, what's HP again?)

 

[Registration]

I don't want you underselling just how much Fate stuff has been put out.

No really, it's been huge. Reg is right, HP is... kind of undersold.

(i was kind of into Fate at the start... and then it went off and left me)

Yeah there is lots of stuff that even I after 10 years didn't get to experience it all.

If you have the FSN basis you can go back to it. There is very few that need other stuff like the whole EXTRA stuff that is related to it.

Is that Air Bud in the thumbnail? What?

(Also, what's HP again?)

Just memes since the thing start growing so much just like three branches.

 

[Flexo]

Is that Air Bud in the thumbnail? What?

(Also, what's HP again?)

HP = Harry Potter

And yes, Gigguk love his gags. Though you can also watch a grand unifying theory of evangelion video by a different guy to get a sense that if there's one thing the Japanese love more than schoolgirl panties, it's overcomplicated fictional multiverses.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

A Book App Used AI to 'Roast' Its Users. It Went Anti-Woke Instead (archive only, original is paywalled)

One year-end summary from Fable, a social app where people share what books the read, told the user “Don’t forget to surface for the occasional white author, OK?”

Not exactly YA but it is book related and it did make me laugh. And I don't think there's enough here for a thread on its own. Sadly, the people behind it have "corrected" the AI.

 

[Scritti Politti]

 

[Wodanaz]

Excerpt from It (1986)

He goes to his advisor with a drop card for Eh-141. His advisor initials it. Bill Denbrough staples the drop card to the assistant fiction editor's congratulatory note and tacks both to the bulletin board on the creative-writing instructor's door. In the corner of the bulletin board he sees an anti-war cartoon. And suddenly, as if moving of its own accord, his fingers pluck his pen from his breast pocket and across the cartoon he writes this: If fiction and politics ever really do become interchangeable, I'm going to kill myself, because I won't know what else to do. You see, politics always change. Stories never do.

Excerpt from The Outsider (2018 )

It was an unmarked car, just some nondescript American sedan a few years old, but the blackwall tires and the three men inside gave it away for what it was. The two in front were wearing blue uniforms. The one in back was wearing a suit, and he was as big as a house. A pair of black boys standing on the sidewalk, one with a foot on a scuffed orange skateboard, the other with a lime-colored board under his arm, watched it turn into the parking lot of the Estelle Barga Recreational Park, then looked at each other.

One said, "That's Five-O."

The other said, "No shit."

They headed off with no further conversation, pumping their boards. The rule was simple: when Five-O shows up, it's time to go. Black lives matter, their parents had instructed them, but not always to Five-O. At the baseball field, the crowd began to cheer and clap rhythmically as the Flint City Golden Dragons came to bat in the bottom of the ninth, one run down.

The boys didn't look back.

What changed between the years of 1986 and 2018, King?
When is he killing himself?

Does Stephen King still count as YA? Or is he too male?

 

[Mola Ram]

Does Stephen King still count as YA? Or is he too male?

I don't know that King ever counted as YA, although given that he seems to write for adults with the reading skills of adolescents maybe he is and always was. YMMV on the meaning of the term. He's certainly not marketed as YA, which seems to me the important point.

What changed between the years of 1986 and 2018, King?

Tongue in cheek, he stopped doing drugs. But honestly the Bill Denbrough scene always struck me as more than a little hypocritical. I don't believe the guy who wrote The Stand was unaware of the hamfisted anti-military stance that book takes. Further, in It itself, King copy&pasted an infamous local murder of a gay man as a condemnation of anti-gay violence. Not the worst message in the world, certainly; but it is a message, and if you know how closely the murder of Adrian Mellon hews to the details of the real life incident, it's more than a little tasteless.

When is he killing himself?

It's too late for him to pull a Buddy Holly; his post 2000s output and his social media spergery is already too plentiful and terrible.

 

[Wodanaz]

Further, in It itself, King copy&pasted an infamous local murder of a gay man as a condemnation of anti-gay violence.

I suppose that's true. However, I always just saw it as part of It influencing Derry and making the residents kill people so it could feed on adults as well as children. It all fits together rather nicely which is why I give it a pass as far as virtue signalling goes. On the other hand, that excerpt from The Outsider (one of the worst books I've ever read btw) has nothing to do with anything else in the story. It is literally just "black lives matter" for the sake of saying it and nothing else. The story is about skinwalker dopplerganger detective shit that has nothing to do with race.
Really I wouldn't even care if King didn't sperg about republicunts on twitter 24/7. I just think it's funny he wrote that line about fiction and politics becoming interchangeable and seemingly just forgot about it.