Navy SEALs, Delta Force, and SOCOM general - The most "Special" groups in the U.S. Military

[Gravemind]

The point of rules in an MMA match is to prevent serious injuries and deaths. It’s a little silly to reprimand the sport because organizers would rather people not die or be unable to fight again. And about the “real fight” talk, an expert in UFC disregarding the rules and fighting for his life out in a life-or-death battle against an untrained person would still win. This is a ridiculous discussion.

That, and this whole back and forth about "Hurr durr MMA doesn't work when you use a weapon against them" is just like... Yeah, no shit? Generally, you go bringing a shank or a weapon with reach to a fistfight, you're going to have the advantage. That's like going "MMA's not gonna work when someone pulls a gun on you." It's missing the point.

One thing's fighting for your life and personal safety and the other thing's essentially fighting in a competitive sport. Someone's getting fucked up either way. One's just a more controlled environment compared to the other.

 

[Dean Pentel]

Yep I had one of my friends come at me with his MMA fighting style as long as I could use a practice sword covered in black tint he looked like he had a skin disease afterwards.

And if you actually do know how to sword fight yes there is a disarming techniques yes there is grapples yes there is throws and yes there is throwing your opponent off balance however that's only used if someone gets inside of your guard.

And one of my favorite military science fiction books written by a former U.S. Army Ranger does this quote fair fights are for losers and dead people.

I know very little about fighting with a sword and in armor but this video illustrates it's not like the movies and video games make it appear.
I saw a clip on IG a few months back where some guys all armored up in something like a HEMA tournament are going at it. One guy KOs the other one with a roundhouse kick to the head. I wish I could have found that before posting.

As for fair fights, I used to think fighting unfairly was for cowards. Then I grew up, saw some war, and realized that all that matters in violent physical confrontations that couldn't be otherwise avoided is winning. Dogmatic adherence to a code or a style of martial arts is a waste of time. That said, I've definitely seen guys with grappling/wrestling experience fuck people up in a street fight, even when outnumbered. One ignores learning something about that stuff at their own peril.

Back to the thread, I liked that video about how one shouldn't look up to special forces soldiers as role models. I agree...to a point. A valuable lesson one can learn from them indirectly is the value of commitment. I've heard more than a few guys say the secret to BUD/S or Selection or the Q Course is "just don't quit."

 

[los pepes]

I've heard more than a few guys say the secret to BUD/S or Selection or the Q Course is "just don't quit."

Or don't take a phone call when some PMSing cadre is giving a speech blowing himself or he might drop you from the program and waste 6 months of your life along with a million or so dollars of taxslave money.

 

[ChampFantana]

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This came up in my recommended feed earlier today, and I thought it would be relevant to the thread. It was created and uploaded by Nate Cornacchia.
From the channel:

Spoiler: Channel Description

My name is Nate Cornacchia and I am a retired green beret out of 1st SFG. A decade of experience in Army Special Forces with multiple deployments and extensive combat experience in Afghanistan. My military combat honors include the Army Commendation Medal w/ Valor, Army Commendation medal with C device, and AAM with C device, all from operations in Afghanistan.

That was a very interesting and informative video. What he said about Spec Ops selecting for sociopathy makes perfect sense after reading this thread.


I find it fascinating how the different Spec Ops units all seem to hate each other. The SEALS hate Delta, Delta hates the Rangers, the Rangers hate Force Recon, etc.

Side note- I suspect that the US military is going to get slaughtered the first time it picks a fight with a near-peer enemy.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

Side note- I suspect that the US military is going to get slaughtered the first time it picks a fight with a near-peer enemy.

Yeah there's one issue with that America doesn't have any peer enemies you think the United states military is incestuous or you've never met Colonel Chang who only has his eagle wings because he was friends with the CCP upper echelon commander from the 60s.
I mean maybe the French or even the Polish military but no none of America's enemies have a competent military command structure

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

The SEALS hate Delta, Delta hates the Rangers, the Rangers hate Force Recon, etc.

And each squad hates the other and each platoon as well. Very, very tribal. SOF and the military is like a Black Hawk Down and Mean Girls crossover movie.

As for their performance, just by the sheer amount of money put into them, and the intelligence behind their ops, they are going to have effects on the battlefield. If I had to fight against them as another Army, I wouldn't exactly be cocky.

But that ignores their main purpose right now, which is to look cool and increase recruitment. There's a reason USASOC and NSW were parachuting at the Army vs Navy game. They are both a publicity organization as well as a SOF unit. Perhaps the former being more important to the military than the latter.

 

[The Grognard]

Yeah there's one issue with that America doesn't have any peer enemies you think the United states military is incestuous or you've never met Colonel Chang who only has his eagle wings because he was friends with the CCP upper echelon commander from the 60s.
I mean maybe the French or even the Polish military but no none of America's enemies have a competent military command structure

I do think that if the PRC ever gets it's shit together militarily, it's going to be very hard for anyone to stop them. But that time isn't now and they have yet to be tested in a proper fight.

I find it fascinating how the different Spec Ops units all seem to hate each other. The SEALS hate Delta, Delta hates the Rangers, the Rangers hate Force Recon, etc.

This sort of inter-unit rivalry is perfectly normal. However, it should be kept as a sporting one because ultimately, they all play for Uncle Sam and the last thing he needs is some petty feud resulting in Colonel Chang having his perfect opportunity to maul an American division in a manner not seen since Chosin Reservoir.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

As for their performance, just by the sheer amount of money put into them, and the intelligence behind their ops, they are going to have effects on the battlefield. If I had to fight against them as another Army, I wouldn't exactly be cocky.

The Navy seals would die spectacularly if they actually had to fight real soldiers rather than barely literate goat herders by the way the barely literate goat herders constantly kick their **** in the Navy seals are completely worthless just a friendly reminder they've never been involved in a war Americans actually won.

Doing swat style tactics is not going to work on dug in heavy infantry also seeing how half these people are loudmouth and drug addicts and war criminals after those sabotage tactics are gonna have the opposite effect because the probably can decide it's a really good idea to sexually assault some Chinese lady and give the Chinese propaganda wins.

The World War 2 effective commando aids were destroying things the Germans couldn't replace like heavy water facilities.

Killing most of the Russian high commander the Chinese high command would actually probably be a marked improvement on the overall effectiveness of the Russian and Chinese military.
Just like shooting the US high command would also have the same effect 'cause then you get people in those positions based on merit rather than they were a bunch of desk jockeys who happen to be there for 50 years.

Ukraine and Russia I just turned into a massive slugging match and I artillery duels and trench lines

 

[Großmann]

The Navy seals would die spectacularly if they actually had to fight real soldiers rather than barely literate goat herders by the way the barely literate goat herders constantly kick their **** in the Navy seals are completely worthless just a friendly reminder they've never been involved in a war Americans actually won.

Doing swat style tactics is not going to work on dug in heavy infantry also seeing how half these people are loudmouth and drug addicts and war criminals after those sabotage tactics are gonna have the opposite effect because the probably can decide it's a really good idea to sexually assault some Chinese lady and give the Chinese propaganda wins.

The World War 2 effective commando aids were destroying things the Germans couldn't replace like heavy water facilities.

Killing most of the Russian high commander the Chinese high command would actually probably be a marked improvement on the overall effectiveness of the Russian and Chinese military.
Just like shooting the US high command would also have the same effect 'cause then you get people in those positions based on merit rather than they were a bunch of desk jockeys who happen to be there for 50 years.

Ukraine and Russia I just turned into a massive slugging match and I artillery duels and trench lines

Special Ops is not designed to fight conventional infantry on the battlefield. They are designed to train local militias to fight on the US side, raid specific targets, or secure key terrain (like airports) for strategic use. Of course you wouldn’t send a SEAL team to clear a trench. That’s retarded.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

Special Ops is not designed to fight conventional infantry on the battlefield. They are designed to train local militias to fight on the US side, raid specific targets, or secure key terrain (like airports) for strategic use. Of course you wouldn’t send a SEAL team to clear a trench. That’s retarded.

Yeah and I'm sure that went really smashingly well over the past 40 years let's see we trained Osama he stabbed us in the back.
We train all of those moderate rebels in Syria who turned out to be isis.
Oh don't forget the Kurdish militias we are training who are violent socialists.
Don't worry we have a new guy we trained in the al nusra front who is a violent Islamist.
They're doing smashingly well training all of these local forces like the afghani army.
I don't forget the northern alliance that was also totally worked out in the end they turned to a bunch of violent warlords.
This is really really help the United states all of these training of local militias it's not to stabilize all these region and made America hated all over the world very effective tactics and who are you going to train in China the violent Islamists and the uyghurs.

 

[The Delta Farce]

Thank you sincerely, random YouTube user, for being much better writer/summarizer than I am.

 

[The Grognard]

Special Ops is not designed to fight conventional infantry on the battlefield. They are designed to train local militias to fight on the US side, raid specific targets, or secure key terrain (like airports) for strategic use. Of course you wouldn’t send a SEAL team to clear a trench. That’s retarded.

One of the big reasons why there is such mythology is that somehow, people seem to believe that these guys are the tool for everything when the actual use-case for these guys would be missions that would stay classified for decades. The politicians, generals and the operators themselves have made SF the superstars of the 21st century when they should be everything but that.

 

[Dean Pentel]

Thank you sincerely, random YouTube user, for being much better writer/summarizer than I am.
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Shawn Ryan is full of shit? Well I'll be!

 

[The Delta Farce]

Shawn Ryan is full of shit? Well I'll be!

He certainly platforms people who are full of shit. Though to his credit he never really talks about his own career or combat experiences in great detail. But you can tell by his facial expressions that he knows his guests aren't telling the truth half the time. Since the most recent SRS Kyle Morgan interview Kyle Morgan has gained 1,200 patreon subscribers. (You have to subscribe Tier 1 if you want to save your kids from a school shooter) They're all about the money.

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

Shawn Ryan is full of shit? Well I'll be!

Dishonest?! And he's former CIA!! How could this have happened?

He certainly platforms people who are full of shit. Though to his credit he never really talks about his own career or combat experiences in great detail. But you can tell by his facial expressions that he knows his guests aren't telling the truth half the time.

The SEALs may have taught him to push back against the pain, but his push back game against his guests is fucking WEAK! You can continue this "just let them speak" style of interview for so long before people call you either gullible or actively misinforming.

 

[The Delta Farce]

Thomas Payne is now giving speeches to college football teams in uniform?


"Here's why you should fight for our greatest ally, men!" - SGM Payne with a gun to his head from the DOD

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

Thomas Payne is now giving speeches to college football teams in uniform?

Join the Infantry to kick ass, shoot guns, ruck and be physically active; end up having to do public speaking which you are hilariously bad at.

The Payne is real. But a good soldier does his dooty, even if it's cringe PR to increase recruitment, I guess.

Man, those football players taking a knee while listening to him look like they wish they could pop smoke and go back to practice.

 

[The Delta Farce]

That Nate video caused a Green Beret officer on Reddit to have a mental breakdown lol

 

[Dean Pentel]

That Nate video caused a Green Beret officer on Reddit to have a mental breakdown lol

What a fucking histrionic faggot! Rationalizing that hard I typically see when people are trying to justify why it's not okay to notice how the gender-speshul community has inordinately high numbers of pedophiles among its ranks.

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

That Nate video caused a Green Beret officer on Reddit to have a mental breakdown lol

"How weak is your commitment to humanity that you see one member of an obviously elite group who stumbles and you declare the entire group worthy of contempt? You are a fucking bigot...(lmao) and a dumb one at that."

Words coming out from a member of an organization that enabled the biggest poppy cartel in the world in Afghanistan. "De Oppresso Liber" means defending with your life the Karzai cartel and causing a worldwide heroin epidemic? Sorry if we are not impressed buddy.