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Are We Being Punished For A Feminist Utopia That Never Even Happened?​

Last week, I watched Girls Gone Wild: The Untold Story on Peacock, which, unsurprisingly, was fairly disturbing on a number of levels, starting with the fact that most people at the time thought “getting young women extremely drunk and then convincing them to take their tops off on camera” was a fairly normal, “boys will be boys!” thing to do.

The thing that really struck me, though, was the fact that it remained “normal” until about 2011, when creator Joe Francis was arrested for false imprisonment and assault, after he brought three women home after a night out and refused to let them leave, ultimately attacking one of them and bashing her head into the floor. Francis had long been Public Enemy #1 for feminists (along with, on the other end of the spectrum, the Christian patriarchs who fake-married their daughters at Purity Balls), but at that point, no one was really paying any attention to us.

The reason I bring this up, the reason it struck me, is because I don’t think I really realized until just then what an incredibly short time period it was between the end of that era — this era where bro culture was celebrated, where rape culture was celebrated, where women’s sexuality was a thing within their control whichever way they chose to control it, in which beautiful female celebrities were excoriated for being a size four in public — and the era we are now in.

Because we hear a lot about it from their end, right? The story, as they tell it, is that there were all these ostensibly “liberal” men who “voted for Obama,” but then the Left “just went too far” and drove them into the loving, misogynistic arms of Andrew Tate and Donald Trump. And now they’re lonely and they don’t know how to be men and it is a full-on crisis! A crisis I tell you! And an epidemic!

The way they talk, you would think that they had been forced to live in this horrible matriarchal world for years, during where they weren’t allowed any free speech, were constantly accused of rapes they didn’t commit, were told constantly by everyone that they were garbage and that they had to apologize for being born male.

But let’s piece together this timeline, shall we?

2011: Joe Francis arrested, “Entourage” ends.

2012: During a stand-up set, comedian Daniel Tosh starts talking about how rape jokes are “always” funny — causing a woman in the audience to yell, “Actually, rape jokes are never funny!”, to which he responds, “Wouldn’t it be funny if that girl got raped by like, five guys right now? Like right now? What if a bunch of guys just raped her?”

— Also, Tucker Max, who was celebrated for having written a book called I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell, in which he tells multiple stories of having sex with extremely intoxicated women, “retires” from being Tucker Max.

2013: We have the rape joke discourse, led by then-Jezebel writer Lindy West. On the one hand, you have feminists saying “This shit isn’t actually funny,” and on the other, approximately 87 million op-eds about how we must protect the sanctity of rape jokes.

— The campus rape discourse begins. Women who have been raped on campus discuss both the problem of rape on campus and the tendency of school officials to do nothing about it, asking people to take it more seriously and criticizing men who have sex with women when they are too intoxicated to consent. This is followed by years of people complaining that we can’t take these women seriously, because what if they are just having day-after regrets because the man didn’t send them flowers or call them back or something?

2014: In May, incel Elliot Rodger kills six people because he is angry that women won’t have sex with him.

— In August, Gamergate begins — starting out as a rage against progressive videogame developer Zoë Quinn from gamers who believe that she only got good reviews for a game she made that they didn’t like because she had a sexual relationship with a video game reviewer (who never actually reviewed her game). It turns into unfettered rage and harassment against women who dare to criticize games for being misogynistic, and then against all “Social Justice Warriors” in general.

— We have the street harassment discourse, started by Black women on social media, in which women publicly discussed the general unpleasantness of not being able to walk to the grocery store without some guy yelling “Nice tits!” at us. This is quickly followed by approximately 87 million “How are men even supposed to talk to women if they can’t yell at them while they walk down the street?” and “But it’s a compliment!” and “I’m a woman and it makes me feel pretty when men I don’t know compliment my ass!” op-eds.

— The height of the affirmative consent discourse, in which people discuss why it’s important to have affirmative and enthusiastic consent at each stage of sexual activity. Some states implement “Yes Means Yes” laws — so that, instead of asking campus rape victims whether they were clear enough that they did not want to have sex with someone, accused rapists will be asked how they obtained consent, This was, naturally, followed by lots of complaining that it will ruin sex.

2015: Donald Trump begins his presidential campaign, ultimately winning in part due to a backlash to “social justice” activism — feminist activism and rape culture discourse in particular.

So let’s just stop there for now. This is not meant to be an exhaustive list, because I know we had a few more discourses and we certainly had a lotmore incel mass murders. But it doesn’t need to be, because the main thing I want to point out is that, at the very most, we had a few years of public discussions of things women had grown real fucking sick of, each of which was swiftly followed by an inevitable “Has feminism gone too far?!?” backlash from those who thought everything was fine the way it was and had been — mostly from those with bigger platforms and more power than we ever had.

This, frankly, has been the case for all social justice movements that have occurred over the last few years — not just feminism and rape culture, but also racism, police brutality and trans rights. You see a groundswell of actual people talking about their experiences and how best to change things so that other people don’t have to go through them, and a swift and terrible backlash from those who say they would like those other people to shut up, please.

Donald Trump was elected again this year, and again we were all told “This is all because you all just went too far! They just couldn’t take it anymore!”

But like, in the end, what did they have to take? People talking publicly on social media? People making art, movies, television shows, music, video games, etc. that they don’t like? Or publicly criticizing things they do like or behavior they enjoy engaging in?

That’s nothing. Especially when compared to everything that everyone else was expected to go through and shut up about. I’d like to point out that, quite notably, taking rape more seriously did not lead to any epidemic of men being sent to prison for not sending flowers or calling the day after.

One of the most jarring points of the “Girls Gone Wild” documentary is one in which a girl recounts how she ended up in a video when she was 17 years old (making it, legally, child pornography), and one of the male teachers at her high schoolresponded by asking her to autograph a copy for him. That’s just one moment, one small snapshot of what was meant to be acceptable back then.

And, you know, at no point did anyone back then publicly wonder or wring their hands about “Is the patriarchy going too far?” Rather, then, as now, most public discussion was about what was wrong with the girls who were doing this, not the men who produced it.

It’s not at all surprising to me that men living in that social environment felt “safe” voting for Barack Obama, or felt like they were totally liberal because they wanted to legalize weed and didn’t care if people were gay or not. Because they could vote for Obama and feel like a good liberal while chanting “Iron my shirt!” at Hillary Clinton. Everything was going really well for them and no one was really challenging the status quo, at least not anyone they were paying any attention to. This is part of what they mean when they say “the Left left me!”

(And, again, that’s just the feminist side of it. They were also “totally fine” with Black people until Black people started bringing up police brutality and racism, and fine with LGBTQ+ people when they thought that civil rights push would end with marriage.)

We’re being punished right now for a feminist utopia we never even had. We went straight from the Girls Gone Wild Era to the Gamergate/Incel mass murder era to the the Trump era. And while a whole lot has changed in terms of what we are willing to put up with or be quiet about, the only thing that has actually changed about the patriarchy has been the flavor it takes on.
 
The worst dictatorships and social injustices the world has seen have been from abortive attempts to reach Utopia.

You need not actually get there to cause social damage worthy of being scorned for the rest of your lives as just another batch of failed socialists who thought, against all evidence, it would work this time.
 
But like, in the end, what did they have to take? People talking publicly on social media? People making art, movies, television shows, music, video games, etc. that they don’t like? Or publicly criticizing things they do like or behavior they enjoy engaging in?
Appeal to triviality fallacy.
 
So let’s just stop there for now.
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— The campus rape discourse begins. Women who have been raped on campus discuss both the problem of rape on campus and the tendency of school officials to do nothing about it, asking people to take it more seriously and criticizing men who have sex with women when they are too intoxicated to consent. This is followed by years of people complaining that we can’t take these women seriously, because what if they are just having day-after regrets because the man didn’t send them flowers or call them back or something?
Pretty sure it fell apart after the Rolling Stone published the rape on campus hoax
 
I'm sure this article boils down to "waaah i dont have unlimited access to free, taxpayer-funded, 24/7 infanticide in all 50 states".

Last week, I watched Girls Gone Wild: The Untold Story on Peacock, which, unsurprisingly, was fairly disturbing on a number of levels, starting with the fact that most people at the time thought “getting young women extremely drunk and then convincing them to take their tops off on camera” was a fairly normal, “boys will be boys!” thing to do.
Nobody got those women drunk, they got themselves drunk you stupid faggots. "My body, my choice, until men like it or I regret it."

rape culture was celebrated
Drunk chicks flashing you is you raping them, and guys enjoying it is celebrating rape culture :story:
 
Pretty sure it fell apart after the Rolling Stone published the rape on campus hoax
Also, the "solution" as backed by the Dept of Education was immediate expulsion of any man accused of rape or sexual assault after a show trial in which he wasn't allowed defense, nor, in some cases, even told one was going on until the cops showed up at his dorm to escort him off campus.

I'm sure that had nothing to do with why the activism around the "rape crisis" ultimately did more harm than good.
 
The people are the backbone of society. Ignore them at your peril. The working classes own the means of production as well, imagine trying to fix your faggy EV without a skilled mechanic. And even so where do the resources come from?

If we can rebuild a high-trust society socialism will be achievable. Imagine a world where a family is appreciated and supported, with maternity and paternity leave to invest in the most important asset any nation has,
 
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you would think that they had been forced to live in this horrible matriarchal world for years, during where they weren’t allowed any free speech, were constantly accused of rapes they didn’t commit, were told constantly by everyone that they were garbage and that they had to apologize for being born male.
that is exactly what happened during the Obama administration though, so this whinging bint can fuck right off
 
Damn, Wonkette is still around.

We’re being punished right now for a feminist utopia we never even had.
I don't think it would be possible to organize a society around feminist principles, whatever those might be, never mind create a feminist utopia. A term which goes completely undefined in the text, as per usual.
Pretty sure it fell apart after the Rolling Stone published the rape on campus hoax
That was my first thought. Which for whatever reason she never got around to mentioning.
 
I'm sure this article boils down to "waaah i dont have unlimited access to free, taxpayer-funded, 24/7 infanticide in all 50 states".


Nobody got those women drunk, they got themselves drunk you stupid faggots. "My body, my choice, until men like it or I regret it."


Drunk chicks flashing you is you raping them, and guys enjoying it is celebrating rape culture :story:
Graphic footage of Vladimir Putin violating and raping an innocent womyn in public, without consequence!
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The height of the affirmative consent discourse, in which people discuss why it’s important to have affirmative and enthusiastic consent at each stage of sexual activity. Some states implement “Yes Means Yes” laws — so that, instead of asking campus rape victims whether they were clear enough that they did not want to have sex with someone, accused rapists will be asked how they obtained consent, This was, naturally, followed by lots of complaining that it will ruin sex.
It also flies directly in the face of the presumption of innocence to 'ask' an accused anything to prove their innocence or provide evidence of their guilt.

'Rape' has been the foremost crime in which feminists have demonstrated their willingness to obliterate procedural protections and the rule of law itself.
 
It also worked, to ruin sex that is....

That generation boned the least of any since they started keeping track.... and it wasn't due to the Religious Right having a resurgence, it was because the prime place to do it? Your college years? Reduced it to homework that needed graded and signed off on.
 
In college in like 2015 right on the heels of the rolling stone campus rape story being widely touted as a hoax but still being used as an example of What Really Happens they had the gall to show us "Monica in Black and White" which is like impossible to take seriously, I'd say that the feminists had their utopia and lost it
 
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