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Are We Being Punished For A Feminist Utopia That Never Even Happened?​

Last week, I watched Girls Gone Wild: The Untold Story on Peacock, which, unsurprisingly, was fairly disturbing on a number of levels, starting with the fact that most people at the time thought “getting young women extremely drunk and then convincing them to take their tops off on camera” was a fairly normal, “boys will be boys!” thing to do.

The thing that really struck me, though, was the fact that it remained “normal” until about 2011, when creator Joe Francis was arrested for false imprisonment and assault, after he brought three women home after a night out and refused to let them leave, ultimately attacking one of them and bashing her head into the floor. Francis had long been Public Enemy #1 for feminists (along with, on the other end of the spectrum, the Christian patriarchs who fake-married their daughters at Purity Balls), but at that point, no one was really paying any attention to us.

The reason I bring this up, the reason it struck me, is because I don’t think I really realized until just then what an incredibly short time period it was between the end of that era — this era where bro culture was celebrated, where rape culture was celebrated, where women’s sexuality was a thing within their control whichever way they chose to control it, in which beautiful female celebrities were excoriated for being a size four in public — and the era we are now in.

Because we hear a lot about it from their end, right? The story, as they tell it, is that there were all these ostensibly “liberal” men who “voted for Obama,” but then the Left “just went too far” and drove them into the loving, misogynistic arms of Andrew Tate and Donald Trump. And now they’re lonely and they don’t know how to be men and it is a full-on crisis! A crisis I tell you! And an epidemic!

The way they talk, you would think that they had been forced to live in this horrible matriarchal world for years, during where they weren’t allowed any free speech, were constantly accused of rapes they didn’t commit, were told constantly by everyone that they were garbage and that they had to apologize for being born male.

But let’s piece together this timeline, shall we?

2011: Joe Francis arrested, “Entourage” ends.

2012: During a stand-up set, comedian Daniel Tosh starts talking about how rape jokes are “always” funny — causing a woman in the audience to yell, “Actually, rape jokes are never funny!”, to which he responds, “Wouldn’t it be funny if that girl got raped by like, five guys right now? Like right now? What if a bunch of guys just raped her?”

— Also, Tucker Max, who was celebrated for having written a book called I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell, in which he tells multiple stories of having sex with extremely intoxicated women, “retires” from being Tucker Max.

2013: We have the rape joke discourse, led by then-Jezebel writer Lindy West. On the one hand, you have feminists saying “This shit isn’t actually funny,” and on the other, approximately 87 million op-eds about how we must protect the sanctity of rape jokes.

— The campus rape discourse begins. Women who have been raped on campus discuss both the problem of rape on campus and the tendency of school officials to do nothing about it, asking people to take it more seriously and criticizing men who have sex with women when they are too intoxicated to consent. This is followed by years of people complaining that we can’t take these women seriously, because what if they are just having day-after regrets because the man didn’t send them flowers or call them back or something?

2014: In May, incel Elliot Rodger kills six people because he is angry that women won’t have sex with him.

— In August, Gamergate begins — starting out as a rage against progressive videogame developer Zoë Quinn from gamers who believe that she only got good reviews for a game she made that they didn’t like because she had a sexual relationship with a video game reviewer (who never actually reviewed her game). It turns into unfettered rage and harassment against women who dare to criticize games for being misogynistic, and then against all “Social Justice Warriors” in general.

— We have the street harassment discourse, started by Black women on social media, in which women publicly discussed the general unpleasantness of not being able to walk to the grocery store without some guy yelling “Nice tits!” at us. This is quickly followed by approximately 87 million “How are men even supposed to talk to women if they can’t yell at them while they walk down the street?” and “But it’s a compliment!” and “I’m a woman and it makes me feel pretty when men I don’t know compliment my ass!” op-eds.

— The height of the affirmative consent discourse, in which people discuss why it’s important to have affirmative and enthusiastic consent at each stage of sexual activity. Some states implement “Yes Means Yes” laws — so that, instead of asking campus rape victims whether they were clear enough that they did not want to have sex with someone, accused rapists will be asked how they obtained consent, This was, naturally, followed by lots of complaining that it will ruin sex.

2015: Donald Trump begins his presidential campaign, ultimately winning in part due to a backlash to “social justice” activism — feminist activism and rape culture discourse in particular.

So let’s just stop there for now. This is not meant to be an exhaustive list, because I know we had a few more discourses and we certainly had a lotmore incel mass murders. But it doesn’t need to be, because the main thing I want to point out is that, at the very most, we had a few years of public discussions of things women had grown real fucking sick of, each of which was swiftly followed by an inevitable “Has feminism gone too far?!?” backlash from those who thought everything was fine the way it was and had been — mostly from those with bigger platforms and more power than we ever had.

This, frankly, has been the case for all social justice movements that have occurred over the last few years — not just feminism and rape culture, but also racism, police brutality and trans rights. You see a groundswell of actual people talking about their experiences and how best to change things so that other people don’t have to go through them, and a swift and terrible backlash from those who say they would like those other people to shut up, please.

Donald Trump was elected again this year, and again we were all told “This is all because you all just went too far! They just couldn’t take it anymore!”

But like, in the end, what did they have to take? People talking publicly on social media? People making art, movies, television shows, music, video games, etc. that they don’t like? Or publicly criticizing things they do like or behavior they enjoy engaging in?

That’s nothing. Especially when compared to everything that everyone else was expected to go through and shut up about. I’d like to point out that, quite notably, taking rape more seriously did not lead to any epidemic of men being sent to prison for not sending flowers or calling the day after.

One of the most jarring points of the “Girls Gone Wild” documentary is one in which a girl recounts how she ended up in a video when she was 17 years old (making it, legally, child pornography), and one of the male teachers at her high schoolresponded by asking her to autograph a copy for him. That’s just one moment, one small snapshot of what was meant to be acceptable back then.

And, you know, at no point did anyone back then publicly wonder or wring their hands about “Is the patriarchy going too far?” Rather, then, as now, most public discussion was about what was wrong with the girls who were doing this, not the men who produced it.

It’s not at all surprising to me that men living in that social environment felt “safe” voting for Barack Obama, or felt like they were totally liberal because they wanted to legalize weed and didn’t care if people were gay or not. Because they could vote for Obama and feel like a good liberal while chanting “Iron my shirt!” at Hillary Clinton. Everything was going really well for them and no one was really challenging the status quo, at least not anyone they were paying any attention to. This is part of what they mean when they say “the Left left me!”

(And, again, that’s just the feminist side of it. They were also “totally fine” with Black people until Black people started bringing up police brutality and racism, and fine with LGBTQ+ people when they thought that civil rights push would end with marriage.)

We’re being punished right now for a feminist utopia we never even had. We went straight from the Girls Gone Wild Era to the Gamergate/Incel mass murder era to the the Trump era. And while a whole lot has changed in terms of what we are willing to put up with or be quiet about, the only thing that has actually changed about the patriarchy has been the flavor it takes on.
 
We live in this strange contradiction of a world where genuinely awful sexual crimes against women and children continue to happen and are often punished very lightly, and yet the media concentrates on gamergate-tier irrelevancies. Where a random bloke smiles at a girl over a water cooler and gets disciplined yet we are importing millions of foreign fighting age men who rape with impunity, and then we arrest anyone who points it out. Where you can’t make a joke, but you can be a tranny threatening to bash women’s heads in if they object to their presence in the toilets and people applaud you.
It’s all very odd.
 
It’s all very odd.
It's not odd, it's the plan.

Most people can't and don't even want to process "big" ideas. They don't know what do to about them. They can only deal with small things.

You give them little shit to get pissed off about, and they can handle that.

You ask most people what to do about immigration, and they'll give you simplistic answers that don't ultimately solve the issue, but if you tell people that a man said something that a woman could take offense to, and that's just easier to parse out and make a judgment call over.

Smarter people understand that. That's why people get distracted with little shit like intersectionality. It's easy to boil the problem down to "cis straight white man bad", because, hey, that means all you have to do is hate "cis straight white men", because lo and behold, they're the source of your problem. You don't need to look inward. You don't need to self-evaluate and god forbid improve yourself. The answer is simple, no thinking required, and even better, feelings work better than thoughts do.

It's how so many people would rather believe Kamala lost because of racism and sexism and ignore entirely how incompetent she apparently was. (Conveniently forgetting three Presidential elections in a row where we had a black man beating the establishment candidate for his first term and won decisively for his second, and then following that, a woman won the popular vote.)

So smarter people, who end up with significant amounts of power will flood the media with talk of racial tensions and white supremacy and sexism blah blah horseshit because they know people won't be bothered to look at the bigger picture and start asking questions.
 
Dude. I just want to be able to:
- ride public transit without being set on fire by an illegal immigrant or attacked by a feral hobo
- travel by myself to places that won’t charge me with adultery if I get raped
- be able to see justice if I DO get raped (unlike say in progressive city Chicago, where only 30% of rape kits were ever actually looked at)
- change into my swimsuit at the pool without being flashed by lecherous troons
Shame on the author dragging the election of Donald Trump into this. As you can see from above, leftists are the ones preventing me from enjoying my own personal feminist utopia.
What's funny/horrifying about this list, is that the unexaggerated current Leftist position is that returning to the society you've described is Litrul Fashism. You must tolerate infinity illegals and crackheads doing whatever they want on your public transit and fetishists leering at your daughters in every private space, and any attempt to remove, prevent, or punish them is Heiling Hortler.

Now I know where a terrible SVU episode came from.
The episode and joke were not funny, not bc rape jokes aren't funny, but becuz these specifically were not.
Want a funny rape joke? In college, guys had to attend a lecture by that "1 in 4" group, which claims that one in four college women will be sexually assaulted (based on a survey asking something like "have you been raped, assaulted, or felt uncomfortable when approached by a man").

The HR naggers drone on about how questioning that statistic, making rape jokes, or saying "dude I raped you at Halo" all create a "rape culture" so we're all responsible for other men's rapes. Any struggle session requires audience participation, so they ask us what we can do if we witness a Fellow White Man making rape jokes, and some mad lad yells out:

"Rape him!"
 
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Feminism failed because women still don't understand that for true equality, you need to stop feeling and start doing.
Feminism will always fail at creating stable long term societies because its an ideology built on taking without giving. Its rights without responsibilities and essentially just a self serving short term powergrab with little to no concern for long term reprecautions.
 
We live in this strange contradiction of a world where genuinely awful sexual crimes against women and children continue to happen and are often punished very lightly, and yet the media concentrates on gamergate-tier irrelevancies. Where a random bloke smiles at a girl over a water cooler and gets disciplined yet we are importing millions of foreign fighting age men who rape with impunity, and then we arrest anyone who points it out. Where you can’t make a joke, but you can be a tranny threatening to bash women’s heads in if they object to their presence in the toilets and people applaud you.
It’s all very odd.
cognitive dissonance is an insidious disease not even people here can escape from
 
It's not odd, it's the plan.
Oh, I know. It just strikes me as so strange that people don’t SEE this. How can people read nonsense like ‘gilette ads are toxic masculinity’ or ‘manspreading’ and have a fit about it but encourage mass immigration.
I remember very clearly at university seeing some PETA campaign and this was the era of idiots ‘freeing’ mink from farms. I remember asking why the animal rights crowd werent protesting outside slaughterhouses for better conditions. No answer. It’s just really easy to wave a placard and these days put a Facebook frame on for current thing without getting into the nasty stuff. My conclusion was that people want easy activism only
The same thing happens with women’s rights. Some really nasty things happen. There was a case in Belgium this week where a couple had raped their daughters up to nine times a day, injuring them severely. They’d got laughable sentences. Not a peep from the people yelling about patriarchy. Because that’s nasty, gruelling stuff to get involved with investigating. Same with blm, and reparations. There are people enslaved right now. Does anyone give a shit about the poor Filipina maids and jet builders in the gulf, or the million other human servitude examples? Nope, because it’s nasty. Nasty violent people will get involved if you try to do something about it.
People just want to signal virtue, they don’t really give a shit. If they did they’d be pressuring the government to actually act on the fgm laws we have, or opposing halal slaughter.
 
It just strikes me as so strange that people don’t SEE this. How can people read nonsense like ‘gilette ads are toxic masculinity’ or ‘manspreading’ and have a fit about it but encourage mass immigration.
Because they don't want to. Based on the little I know about you, I imagine you're a smart person surrounded by smart people. You're highly educated and as such, you know your subject and are able to discuss and comprehend subjects of some amount of complexity, and you're surrounded by people of similar intellegence who understand things at the level you do.

It is likely you, like I, am surrounded by people that are generally smarter than the general population. I've frequently told the young guys I work with that they should get used to not being able to relate to most of the "real world" for that reason. Because most people probably DO see what's going on, but Dunning-Kruger is probably only concentrated online and regular people stay out of subjects they don't understand. They don't think they're very smart, or they stay in their lanes.

I've long said that if most people knew how to solve problems, we would not have problems. They have problems that they don't solve on a personal level, how are they supposed to care about a big problem like immigration beyond, "well, I elected someone to care about that, because right now I'm busy in this fucking economy".

Regarding feminism: most people aren't feminists. Feminism is a luxury belief. Most people just stick to the structure they understand because it makes them comfortable and they don't need "more rights", however dubious and nebulous they are.
 
In the 1850s British army officers developed extremely passionate opinions about whether it was appropriate to place wine bottles directly on the table in the officers' mess or whether a decanter had to be used, and multiple people ultimately died in duels fought over this issue.

Seeing someone publish an article in December 2024 about the Lindy West/Daniel Tosh rape joke controversy is roughly as disorienting as getting challenged to a duel over using a wine bottle wrong in 1975. Has this person been in a coma for 10 years? Is there anyone else on the planet who still cares about this?
 
The worst dictatorships and social injustices the world has seen have been from abortive attempts to reach Utopia.
I'd almost remove the "abortive" from that. If you read fictional utopias they're invariably psychotic nightmares too. The classic Thomas More's Utopia sounds like a great place to live if you're some flavor of "holy man" (either a priest or a theologian like he was) because everyone else has to grovel at your feet - sometimes literally. Doesn't strike me as terribly good, though.

Conversely, imagine 1984 from the point of view of a member of the Inner Party - it's decent as long as you lack "ethical inflexibility" and keep stamping that boot onto a human face forever. Speaking of ethical inflexibility, the world of Deus Ex was pretty damn sweet for Bob Page right up until JC Denton got to Area 51.

This isn't a new observation by far, but I've become convinced that the only difference between a utopia and a dystopia is the point of view from which it's being told to you... or sold to you.
 
Feminists and the consequences of their politics are the reason more men by the day think of all women as mentally subnormal beings without agency.

Feminists are unironically, much like MGTOW/meninist types, %99 of the reason misogyny still exists to begin with. If they had shut the fuck up in the 90's or even the early 00's we'd be living in a world much closer to the one they say they want.
I'd almost remove the "abortive" from that. If you read fictional utopias they're invariably psychotic nightmares too.
My favorite is Omelas because we live in it.
 
My favorite is Omelas because we live in it.
Omelas is Ursula Le Guin talking about how much she hates Dystopia stories because she herself was an anarchist who had her own vision of a perfect anarchist utopia. The Dispossessed is literally her perfect anarchist utopia totally pwning the evil liberal democrat capitalist pigs.
 
I'd almost remove the "abortive" from that. If you read fictional utopias they're invariably psychotic nightmares too. The classic Thomas More's Utopia sounds like a great place to live if you're some flavor of "holy man" (either a priest or a theologian like he was) because everyone else has to grovel at your feet - sometimes literally. Doesn't strike me as terribly good, though.

Conversely, imagine 1984 from the point of view of a member of the Inner Party - it's decent as long as you lack "ethical inflexibility" and keep stamping that boot onto a human face forever. Speaking of ethical inflexibility, the world of Deus Ex was pretty damn sweet for Bob Page right up until JC Denton got to Area 51.

This isn't a new observation by far, but I've become convinced that the only difference between a utopia and a dystopia is the point of view from which it's being told to you... or sold to you.
All utopias are born from one single thought. "If I could dictate how everybody behaved in every aspect of life the world would be...Perfect." I hate utopianists as much as the antichrist.
 
Its amusing that the level of spite cope posts have just continued to grow. Since the Election.
They just continue to sound to me like Cartoon villains "I will get you next time......next time".
I'd almost remove the "abortive" from that. If you read fictional utopias they're invariably psychotic nightmares too. The classic Thomas More's Utopia sounds like a great place to live if you're some flavor of "holy man" (either a priest or a theologian like he was) because everyone else has to grovel at your feet - sometimes literally. Doesn't strike me as terribly good, though.

Conversely, imagine 1984 from the point of view of a member of the Inner Party - it's decent as long as you lack "ethical inflexibility" and keep stamping that boot onto a human face forever. Speaking of ethical inflexibility, the world of Deus Ex was pretty damn sweet for Bob Page right up until JC Denton got to Area 51.

This isn't a new observation by far, but I've become convinced that the only difference between a utopia and a dystopia is the point of view from which it's being told to you... or sold to you.
You will find most of the people who talk up the utopia idea's generally will never have to face the hardships that it would cause.
Like the modern communist never thinks he will be doing back breaking work. He will be a member of the party or the dictator in charge. Going round in unearned military uniforms and having people who scuff their shoes shot.
You will find their idea's always boil down to Animal Farm. We are equal, but some are more equal than others.
In this case she bemoans the fact that they were achieving their goals of making the world worse for men to live in. Because she is cold fucking harpy, who most of all cannot stand to see other women happy.
You see, their goals have not just been to demonise men. It is to keep women in check as well, because if a man is proven to be good or not as bad as she says. The woman may turn away from her cause. That in turn loses her clout and resources. She is the one who ends up discredited.
She does not really see her errors in talking points over the years. She thinks she is always in the right.
The men's rights movements have given rise to massive pied pipers too. Tate and his silly Matrix shit.
A lot of men are going down this road of unironic misogynistic drivel lead by Bugatti's and "alpha" men. 2 sides of the same shit coin. Working in tandem to just fuck shit up between men and women.
Women want a safe man who will fight and provide. Men want a place of peace in a woman's arms, knowing he has a home and a place.
I will not be tricked by emotional bitter harpy's like this in to hating all women.
 
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