Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[ssaneenah]

I didn't do a drinking challenge for the season finale, but I did the "" counter anyway, so here it goes:

Spoiler: fuck my life

(0:07) Episode opens up with Stolas;
(0:09) Blitz is the Pac-Man guy, except with horses;
(0:18 ) I see stretched-out necklines as nothing but a trick to expose someone's shoulder with a sexual subtext, and I'm not fucking anyone among those two faggots;
(0:27) You mean, all this time Stolas didn't know about Blitz's greatest possession?;
(0:36) Were you a brony, Blitz, or did you actually get buttfucked by a horse?
(0:43) Why would Blitz have the drugs that were prescribed to you?;
(1:30) Blitz giving him that look is less of a "I like listening to you talk" and more of a "Your butt. My face. Now."
(1:42) Irresponsible parenting;
(1:44) "Dad (calling from shitty boyfriend's phone)" you mean, Blitz is the shitty one in this relationship?;
(1:53) Stella is acting disrespectfully towards her daughter, which shows how deranged her hate for Stolas is - just let Octavia talk to him in private, jeez, you want your daughter to get traumatized too?;
(2:12) They're still dragging the annoying clowning;
(2:22) "Stolas Bird Daughter" is she your fucking property or something?;
(3:03) Saw three of those outfits in fanart before;
(3:05) Just order frozen feeder rats, why do you have to show off so much?!;
(3:07) SpindleHorse graffiti - self-inserts are fucking dumb, unless you're in the pride ring;
(3:29) The sequence was not very fun to watch, had a few random moments that were paced way too fast and didn't put too much charm into it. And why would you take the birdfaggot to public places when you know (I assume that you do and you're not that oblivious of what's going of with Stolas) that nobody likes him in your neighborhood;
(3:42) Didn't end with Stolas dying and segwaying to credits roll, instead there was a bitchy look and line said in screeching falsetto;
(3:59) Nigger;
(4:10) Double nigger;
(4:56) Damage to property that, knowing Blitz, would be compensated by your own salary, you dipshits;
(6:02) I know the writers wanted to make him look like a wealthy guy switching to the lifestyle of a poor fella, but why do the have to present it so annoyingly. Also suck it up Stolas, either this or local equivalent of an Amazon warehouse;
(7:00) You think so, Blitz?;
(7:20) If you kill yourself this instant, Stolas, we'll have more fun with the remaining twenty minutes of this episode;
(8:00) A month of irresponsible parenting and annoying laughter. Hilarious;
(8:40) Now I definitely see it as a Hanna Montana guitar with that kind of an uplifting pop strumming (I've got goosebumps when she exhaled in the beginning of her song though, that was a really good bit);
(11:50) She desides to help Stolas just because he's depressed?!;
(12:48 ) You've also ruined their Christmas decorations and that desk has nothing to do with you being a fucking idiot;
(12:52) Embarassing drawing. Also that italic font looks unreadable, but I bet that's some fanfic copypasta;
(13:30) The stupidest pregnancy foreshadowing ever. Could have given her something to eat two minutes earlier and blame it on indigestion or food poisoning;
(13:45) You sure do like Disney, Viv;
(14:14) That's just creepy;
(14:16) Fuck you, Blitz. Loona could have become my favorite furball of the show. By the way, weren't you all for killing the cheating husband's new wife in the very first fucking episode of the very first fucking season? You spend your Christmas at work and random humans with their traditions should mean nothing to you. Unless now you'll have moral standards and become selective of whom you kill;
(14:40) Millie getting shood by Blitz just prooved how disposable she is in the show atm;
(16:38 ) Alleged pilot Stolas gets beat up by canon Stolas... ;
(16:50) You'll break your fist if you punch like this, you degenerate;
(17:04) Aaand we're back with more bondage;
(17:59) Offputting transformational sequence ( Mist! Ich muss mich verwandeln! );
(18:03) Am I watching a YTP video or a season finale?;
(18:16) SCENE NEVER DIED WRYYYYYYYYY;
(checked Vivzie's Shark Robot page while going to take a piss and saw a pin with four-legged Loona being called "feral", as in the name for furries being drawn as four-legged versions of themselves)
(18:20) Possible vore undertone;
(18:52) Makes me think they've turned Loona into a literal four-legged creature so she can act as horse, so they can pull of a knight-fighting-a-dragon sequence in a castle location. Also why again with the extra eyes?;
(19:06) Definitely vore undertones - overdetailized mouth and lizards don't need uvulas;
(19:30) I agree;
(19:44-19:56) Gay and shmaltsy;
(20:22) I thought only goetias without the pupils posses powerful magical powers, but I guess that's not the case anymore;
(21:02) Gay coward fucking tilted;
(22:50) If Octavia hates Stolas this much, why did she set out to find him and give him not the entire box, but only one flask of multivitamins?;
(24:09) Exists in this episode for the purpose of LGHDTV+ inclusivity. I mean, what does he know about being pregnant?;
(25:14) Buddy, I've just passed through 25 minutes of you being a whiny ass niggerfaggot, I deserve a medal, not your buttshot;
(26:22) What could have been an intimate scene is ruined again by gay aura of two super gay idiots;
(26:51) Don't you have any respect for other people's time? You were called over and you deside it's a good time for a dance? On a balcony fence? At least no kiss at the end - the hug looked charming at most;
(27:54) Adam and Brandon as storywriters;
(28:16) Way to discredit your production team by choosing the most unreadable colour for the font, plus Loona's furry friends' voice actors were not credited, Blitz eating those fried beans and getting that face is never explained. Also selfish of him for not sharing.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Pretty sure that’s a chick-imp. As in, a pooner-imp. Male imps have white stripes on their horns, whereas the females only have small ridges. Now we know that Stolas isn’t totally gay. That’s cool.

Actually that's an incubus, but I can understand the confusion. Succubi/incubi do a lot of time just look like imps with wings.

Stella having ice powers would also make Stolas’s tolerance of her physical abuse make sense. Why does he not rebuke her physical displays with displays of his own? Because even if he won, her magic could still do him and the castle exceptional damage. That, to me, makes more sense than “Stolas lets Stella hit him even though his magic is stronger than both her and Andy because he’s a sad bird-man who is sad”. It would make Octavia’s magic seem like an inevitability in hindsight, rather than yet another miraculous quirk she inherited from Stolas (and he alone). It would even add tension between Stella and Blitz - why was a decidedly unmagical imp given access to a grimoire she, an actual magician of noble blood, was denied access to?

It's funny cause giving Stella no powers really just makes her an even more tragic character. She is just a tool to everyone here. She really has no control for her own life, and if this was given to a good writer, it could really explain why she acts the way she does. It also gives a huge power imbalance between her and Stolas, since all she can do is scream and throw shit at him and he can literally turn her into stone if he wanted to.

But if she had powers, it would make sense why Stolas would try to appease her and why he acts the way he does. Especially if said powers were tied to her emotions. No wonder Stolas would try to keep her happy and calm, even if it was detrimental to his happiness. Because while he may be able to handle himself against Stella's powers, he couldn't say the same for Octavia if she got in the way of Stella's rage.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Apparently the group that murders random teens and sick orphans suddenly have a hang up with two gay dads, one of which left his wife and took his daughters with him, and the two girls. Fuck off.

Yeah blitz (why the fuck did i say stollas at first?) has gone too soft, he was a killer who believed humans are never innocent not even when they're whelps sucking at teats. Now he sees himself in a pair of fudgepackers and suddenly life is precious? Blow.

Considering that Trump is currently in the white house, she may have an abortion next Season because she’s said she doesn’t know what to do. Fuck it, why not?

Great, can't wait for the Abortion Arc in the next season

I legit can see the writers doing that if only because they're THAT petty and probably believe aborting a child is better than raising it in a potentially conservative world despite the fact that Trump only has ONE final four year term under him.



All the sperging aside I wanna give them the benefit of the doubt and just have millie nervous being a first time mom in fucking hell of all places and the only positive portrayal of being one is her own mother....but Viv and co have closed off any potential for me doing that with all the bullshit they've pulled since helluva boss became it's own show.

 

[The tired cat]

That was so retarded. She is a fucking wolf. The show was setting up her being good at magic. Why is she doing shit without the book? A better pay off would have been Luna tracing a magical seal and pulling off a spell from Stolas’s grimoire. It would conform to the world building - Stolas did say that the book existed because memorizing things is hard - and it fits with Luna being the “book person” in episodes like the one with DHORKS. You know, she’s the one opening the portal and complaining that she can’t read in the poor light. Did Viv watch her own show?

I can't shake off this feeling, that she saw some fanart of Loona in wolf form and went "Imma put dat in mah show!"

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

I can't shake off this feeling, that she saw some fanart of Loona in wolf form and went "Imma put dat in mah show!"

oh, it's more than that....

https://web.archive.org/web/20151031005845/http://vivzmind.deviantart.com/art/ZP-Luna-126395939

ignore the fact that it takes you to a dead link. the point still stands.

 

[ssaneenah]

Haha, the amount of Islamic Content reactions is staggering.

Blitzo killed a total of zero people this season.

Kinda embarrassing for someone who, quote, “kills people for a living”.

Lots of pretty backgrounds in this one and the show amused me for like, a half hour so I didn't get anything productive done.

I approve.

Half an hour? But that’s the entire runtime of an episode!

Actually why don't we make predictions for Season 3.

I can predict what the writing team will try to do with the plot:

Octavia will reunite with her Dad through her friendship with Loona somehow, who will convince her that Blitz is not that bad and is ultimately a better love partner for Stolas than Stella. Also Blitz will show caring attitude towards Octavia while Stella would continue being rude to her. Loona will get more screen time as Stolas will spend more time as a receptionist, Sally would be inserted in to many filler scenes. There will be a babysitting episode. Fizz is missing. Ozzie still doesn’t shave off his hairy armpits. Vassago gets a musical number sung completely in Spanish. Barbie gets an episode where she hangs out with Blitz and they get along. Striker and Stella ship is canon. More drag queen cameos. Trump’s presidency gets referenced. Eventually Stolas will get his powers back from another encounter with Andrealphus, kick him and Stella out of the castle and move in with Blitz and Loona.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Now that the season is over, what would you consider the best and worst of it

Best? I'd say Ghostfuckers, only one that didn't feel too much like a soap opera, actually had funny jokes, and a cool one-shot villain

Worst? Circus and Apology Tour. Circus for being the domino that led to the rest of this season being the Stolas show with retcons to make the whole relationship with Blitzo less toxic and making Stella more of a one-note villain. Apology Tour for being an episode about how Blitzo is super evil and mean, with pathetic background characters who are sobbing over him because of one night stands. That and being another episode about Stolas crying which could've been a decent Verosika episode. Not to mention Apology Tour ended up being pointless.

 

[ssaneenah]

Best? I'd say Ghostfuckers, only one that didn't feel too much like a soap opera, actually had funny jokes, and a cool one-shot villain

That’s cuz Brandon solely wrote that episode, unlike all of the others in S2, which were solely or partially written by Viv. Though I still think that Stolas drama and Blitz’s “I hurt everyone” shit was Viv’s idea that Brandon couldn’t have done anything with due to the lack of writing control over the show.

 

[macrodegenerate]

Now that the season is over, what would you consider the best and worst of it

Best? I'd say Ghostfuckers, only one that didn't feel too much like a soap opera, actually had funny jokes, and a cool one-shot villain

Worst? Circus and Apology Tour. Circus for being the domino that led to the rest of this season being the Stolas show with retcons to make the whole relationship with Blitzo less toxic and making Stella more of a one-note villain. Apology Tour for being an episode about how Blitzo is super evil and mean, with pathetic background characters who are sobbing over him because of one night stands. That and being another episode about Stolas crying which could've been a decent Verosika episode. Not to mention Apology Tour ended up being pointless.

What are you talking about? All 2 U is the best power ballad in the entire series. Absolute wipes Sweet Victory.

 

[AnOminous]

That’s cuz Brandon solely wrote that episode, unlike all of the others in S2, which were solely or partially written by Viv. Though I still think that Stolas drama and Blitz’s “I hurt everyone” shit was Viv’s idea that Brandon couldn’t have done anything with due to the lack of writing control over the show.

It seems that anything good remaining about the show is thanks to Brandon, either because he wrote it or somehow tard wrangled Vivz.

 

[Starscream's Loyalty]

It seems a lot of media has been antinatalism and focusing more on the found family lately. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

"But, Nothingness. Carrying on the family name and bloodlines are antiquate concepts from a bygone era."

"You're right, disembodied voice. It's better to die surround by strangers who are only taking care of you for a paycheck than by loved ones, including those you raised and saw become parents too. How silly of me."

Given that Viviz revealed Octavia is asexual during Pride Month, watch the next season have episode where she refuses to be in a relationship and Stolas is to blame.

I don't think Octavia needs to be given an orientation due to how fucked up her situation is as a whole. I view her as more of a vulnerable soon to be adult if anything...

 

[A Grey Cat]

It seems that anything good remaining about the show is thanks to Brandon, either because he wrote it or somehow tard wrangled Vivz.

Vivziepop: mediocre to piss poor character designer, but still better than her god awful writing.


I hate to say it but mrenter is right. When you have nobody telling you no, or giving feedback on your work that isn't ass kissing yes men responses to stay in good graces. You get egomaniacs like vivzie doing whatever the fuck she wants and if you don't like she'll just brush it off as "everybody's a critic who doesn't understand me or my work."

 

[ssaneenah]

>beat up by stella
>again

Why would they want to beat up a child? Is everything alright with those people’s lives?

 

[Artaius]

So are we going to get an abortion episode next season? Is it going to be played up as a empowering woman moment and maybe Moxxie is going to be painted as an asshole for wanting to keep the baby?

Will it all spark a Roe V. Wade debate on Twitter [X]? What if they tell us all that the baby isn't Moxxie's at all. Confirming that he is literally just a faggot she pegs and cheats on. Please God, that would be so funny.

 

[ssaneenah]

Meanwhile Via is having a Vietnamese flashback after reading all the shit about the Sinsmas episode on social media and realizing how inevitably deranged Vivziepop’s fans really are.

 

[Narcotics]

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The newest episode made me do something i never did while watching the rest of the series before, it made me very visibly cringe and tense my face muscles at the sheer stupidity of what i was watching, i'm talking mostly (but not the only reason) about the scene where the demon assasins from hell that get paid to kill people regardless of age, ethnicity and gender don't kill le wholesome mixed race gay couple because CINEMATIC PARARELLISM between the human fags and the demon fags.

As one user before said perfectly, NOW these fuckers show compassion? Loona and the other unimportant bitch looked more than happy to kill the target, but they doubled down because their bitch of a boss said no? Wasn't Moxxie worried-sick 2 episodes ago because Blitz spent all their money on useless crap? and didn't Millie tell Blitz that he hadn't paid them in a month? The show doesn't tell us how the woman that ordered the hit died, what if she was murdered by her ex-husband or something like that? Is cheating only good and valid when fags do it? If everyone is struggling to make meets end, why call off easy money? Emberlynn's only sin was being a coomer and she got killed because of it no questions asked. "But muh character development" nah, until they spare more targets other than this one then i might buy it.

Why did Blitz imagine himself being so happy around Octavia when they only interacted directly once? and it was in that very same episode? I don't have faith in this show to do this, but hopefully this is some 4D chess set up for when they reveal Stolitz was nothing more than a fantasy and they don't end up together in the end.

Why has Stolas NOT apologized to Blitz for how he treated and belittled him at the start of the series? the shitty conversation they had in The Full Moon episode doesn't count as an apology, it won't be until he says "I am sorry for treating you like nothing but a walking, talking dildo that depended on me being in a good mood to make money".

Why did they ass pull a power up for Loona in the battle against Andre? other than for merch sales and even more degenerate furry porn. Can all hellhounds do that or was it because she's been reading the magic book and learned some things from it? Why didn't she do it in Truth Seekers? or against the cherubs?

It's obvious Octavia will forgive her deadbeat dad who willingly, no one forced him to, left her alone with her psycho mother and uncle, and sang a song on live TV about how Blitz is the only true love in his miserable life and it'll be painted as something good.

Do you know how when a show's ratings decrease or the audience gets bored, writters have no idea what to do to stir up controversy or give a character more relevance, they add a pregnancy plot to their series as a way to attract more viewers back? This is what's happening now to this series, the best Viv could do to make Millie more than Moxxie's accesory was knocking her up.

I'll continue watching this trainwreck with adblock turned on. I want to see how worse it gets from here.

Spoiler: Season 3 leaked storyboards on 4chan

 

[LucasSomething]

Man, i didnt even register how Andre actually being super strong wizard while Stella has no powers accidentally makes her more sympathetic (again) because there is no way this didn't affect her personal growth.

If we assume owl magic is learned, then Stella never had the support, motivation or opportunity to learn which are all depressing to think about. If owl magic is a natural gift / bloodline related then it's even worse because Stella was basically born magicrippled or too weak while her brother was born with awesome ice powers.

Like, she seems to be in good terms with Andre but imagine being forced by your family to be a breeder while your brother is a free spirit with all the magic talent and keeps telling you're stupid and your only good trait is being pretty. Imagine the mental toll it takes on you.

Hell, Andre's "You're so lucky you're attractive" comments would become really fucked up in hindsight as, Andre isn't really complimenting her but actually insulting her for having literally no talent or purpose. If Stella was ugly, she wouldn't be able to marry a rich guy and her family would probably hate her, Andre included.

Meanwhile Stolas is just accidentally unlikable it's insane. It's like rwby where morality is so protagonist centered the writer developed cognitive bias and forgot to write them likable. Some things i noticed on quick rewatch of last episode was

1-When blitzo makes breakfast for Stolas, he doesn't thank him, instead he acts grossed out and tells him to get food he likes. What an asshole.

2-Stolas mention's via likes rat and ONLY THEN he remembers she exists. Stolas genuinely forgot he had a daughter, and was seemingly acting depressed until that point for a different reason, like losing his money i guess.

3-The thing that made Stolas finally breakdown in the episode wasn't a month without his daughter, it was... working an office job for 15 seconds. Seriously he gets ONE mildly annoying client and instantly snaps and leaves, potentially ruining the job (that they quit anyway so Stolas ended up being justified). How narcissistic do you have to be for this?

 

[AnOminous]

I'll continue watching this trainwreck with adblock turned on. I want to see how worse it gets from here.

Shades of that Nick Wilde and Judy Hopps cartoon where Judy aborts Nick's baby and then turns into Hillary Clinton.

 

[ReceiveAndAsk]

Shades of that Nick Wilde and Judy Hopps cartoon where Judy aborts Nick's baby and then turns into Hillary Clinton.
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I wish Vivzie had the balls to do something even close close to this. I don't think we'd already seen 'straight' melodrama on the show, had we?

 

[FK009]

Shades of that Nick Wilde and Judy Hopps cartoon where Judy aborts Nick's baby and then turns into Hillary Clinton.
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Since she turns into Hillary, does she lose the election that is supposed to be her greatest triumph to a furry Donald Trump?