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[Bonesjones]

His thesis is obviously wrong because you can wear hats in cars, but it’s also wrong because people are more likely to wear hats in car-dependent areas. Hat-wearing, with the exception of protection from winter weather, is a fashion choice, not at all related to transportation. I guarantee you that more people are wearing hats in Ft. Worth or Nashville than in NYC.

They call hats the southern toupee for a reason. It's barely a fashion accessory and more of a keep sun off your head when you live in the south kind of thing.

 

[Thiletonomics]

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Urbanist gets enraged that people care about public safety on transit.

It's also as if this guy didn't know about about Tokyo subway gas attacks and the Daegu subway fire either. A Japanese cult was needed to kill about a dozen people and injured thousands, while a Korean man who was trying to self-immolate himself killed almost 200 people and injured over 150 other people instead (he survived, but later died from illness) by setting a subway on fire.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

It's also as if this guy didn't know about about Tokyo subway gas attacks and the Daegu subway fire either.

I would like to add the Taipei MRT stabbing and the copycat attempt in Taichung this year.

while a Korean man who was trying to self-immolate himself killed almost 200 people and injured over 150 other people instead by setting a subway on fire.

That's just Korea. They always seem to have a large mass casualty event every few years: The mall collapse, the ferry capsizing, the crowd crush, the subway fire just off the top of my head. What's weird is that their events always seem to have way more dead then similar events in other countries.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

the crowd crush,

I wish I saved the one where the copy-pasted Asian wojaks ACKed themselves while the guy with the Chad head (not the triangular one) climbed a column and lived.

 

[Thiletonomics]

That's just Korea. They always seem to have a large mass casualty event every few years: The mall collapse, the ferry capsizing, the crowd crush, the subway fire just off the top of my head. What's weird is that their events always seem to have way more dead then similar events in other countries.

South Korea also seems to outdo China in terms of mass casualty events, even though you would think that China would have more deaths because of things such as their much greater population, tofu-dreg construction that is prone to massive failures, and the "everyman for himself" mentality that the CCP pushed onto it's populace over altruism. But then again, since the CCP massively downplays their death tolls in mass casualty events, maybe China's events do have more deaths.

 

[Sweet Ch1llie]

I have to agree with one thing with these soybois: most public transportation sucks.
Like Sweden, for example, almost every parking requires you to pay. Outside the city, no problem, but inside the city most are priced at ridiculous 12usd up to 35usd an hour.
So it's just better to get a train. But then, yes, metro is fast and exists but not in the locations outside central city. So you take the bus. But in the middle of the night, sometimes the driver just drives past your stop because it's late and he doesn't wanna bother and the next bus is in 30 minutes. One time I waited from 00:30 (12:30 am) to 02:00 just to go home, didn't take Uber because driving those 18 miles cost like 60usd.
There are trains between cities outside of the main city, to the main city, but they go every 30 minutes normally and every hour in the middle of the night. On top of that, in this winter wonderland they are often times surprised it snows in winter, so they are never prepared for icing on the tracks and many times instead of going 60mph (like 100kmh) you go like 15mph (about 30kmh). So your drive 18 miles away, instead of taking usual 40 minutes with a train, now takes you about an hour and a half, because they have to stop now and then, because fuck you.

Some public transport is absolute trash and I agree with them on that one thing. Otherwise they are cuck soibois.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

Lucas is a big car guy and even made a movie about 1950s car culture previous to star wars.

I like how that's how they choose to describe American Graffiti, one of the all-time legendary Americana films. For fuck's sake.

 

[TowinKarz]

maybe China's events do have more deaths.

They almost certainly do.

You can see CCTV footage of a full bus yeeting itself off a bridge, and there's no mention of it in the news, or, if there is? It was supposedly empty......

I’d suspect the majority of driving dangers are related to driving (crashes, breakdowns, etc).

The majority of transit dangers are related to the other passengers.

You're more likely to have a crash in your own car vs. public transit.

You're more likely to not be mugged/murdered in your own car vs. public transit.

So, what'll it be, boys? Stabbed dead by a crazy person or seat belt bruises from a survivable crash?

Seriously? You think the car crash is better? WHAT ABOUT THE POOR INNOCENT CHILDREN YOU RAN OVER??!?!?!? Oh, I didn't mention those?

WELL I DID NOW!!!!!

 

[JJLiautaud]

I like how that's how they choose to describe American Graffiti, one of the all-time legendary Americana films. For fuck's sake.

I can't imagine a dialogue heavy Lucas film being any good. I'm not saying its bad I have never seen it, just the prequels are pretty strong evidence Lucas can't direct dialogue or write it very well either.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

Lucas is a big car guy and even made a movie about 1950s car culture previous to star wars.

Star Wars only exists in capitalism and exists to maximize profits.

Do people not read what they write?
He spent several paragraphs describing car references in Star Wars and how the director loves them only to turn around and entirely blame capitalism and greed as the reason. No, the reason why star wars is like that is because it's the director's hobby (as previously established), nothing else.

Star Wars was always the dystopian alternative to Star Trek's utopianism. So this stuff shouldnt be super surprising. I mean we are talking a society where slavery is legal and is at constant war and entire planets get blown up. I dont think a suburban layout would be too shocking especially considering how much wealth inequality there is on the various planets and systems.

This guy has not seen Star Trek. Star Trek has all those in spades. And like Star Wars the good guys try to stop it.

 

[TowinKarz]

Star Wars isn't even all that dystopian..... the good guys win, eventually, after taking realistic losses in the process..... it's a high fantasy for sure, but, it's wrapped in what I can only call a "blue collar space" aesthetic that makes it appear more realistic and grounded subconsciously than the world presented in Star Trek that was always just too clean, too neat and too lacking in nuance to really pull at least me in....

Both would include suburban areas on quiet planets, it's just that Star Wars would be the one to show them affected by traffic jams and that one lousy neighbor on the block everyone hates, Star Trek would claim such things had been "overcome" through cooperation and good vibes and now no longer exist.

 

[Midwit]

the world presented in Star Trek that was always just too clean, too neat and too lacking in nuance to really pull at least me in...

DS9 did a pretty good job with fixing that, being set in a specific location where you can't just warp away from the consequences of your actions.

 

[quaawaa]

Car cloverleaf bad:



Think of the tire particles!


Trains, unlike cars, are quiet:


Blacks can’t read because their schools are next to roads:



CEOs are more valuable than kids. The evidence: roads exist:


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Bike cloverleaf good:



It‘s too good to be real:


This is so much better than a car road:


I didn’t know that humans had two wheels:

Coombrain:

More coombrain:


Trucks don’t need parking lots because they can park for free in urbanists’ heads:


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[Amber the Hedgehog]

Bike cloverleaf good:

For fuck sake. You can see cars in the background. There is clearly a car access and probably a car park just behind the building. This clearly isn't car free utopia but yet these people want pretend it is. Just why?

Probably the same reason they insist that something build for car usage isn't built for humans but still.

 

[Combustion Engine]

There is clearly a car access and probably a car park just behind the building

Yeah, it's a small school. (google maps) Not the best example of this phenomenon, but images are often cherry-picked to show the most "bike-friendly" infrastructure (even where useless and just a waste of space not unlike a parking lot) and the least car-anything, Not Jewst Bikes is the worst when it comes to that. And as if the average ownership of cars per household didn't average to 1 around there anyway.

 

[quaawaa]

/r/fuckcars discusses the most efficient way to get to a ski resort:




Denver has a train to the mountain, but it’s too expensive:




Have these people ever ridden a train before?





New Yorker wants to go skiing but can’t because he doesn’t own a car:

Solutions:
Fly to Salt Lake City (but that sucks because the bus is too infrequent):

so fly to France instead:

If you wanted to go to Val Thorens without a car from NYC, you could fly to Geneva and take the train, but that’s way more expensive than going to an American resort.

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[sum ting wong]

They always make the snarky comment about "but trains are communist/socialist" but I don't think anyone actually arguing against them uses that argument. It's ironic though that I'm sure I've seen them argue that cars are only popular because of capitalist propaganda so it's like they've seen that so much that they think people against them must be arguing the opposite when in reality most people just like the privacy, convenience, and safety of cars for most things.

 

[TowinKarz]

They always make the snarky comment about "but trains are communist/socialist" but I don't think anyone actually arguing against them uses that argument. It's ironic though that I'm sure I've seen them argue that cars are only popular because of capitalist propaganda so it's like they've seen that so much that they think people against them must be arguing the opposite when in reality most people just like the privacy, convenience, and safety of cars for most things.

Basic Game Theory - dominant strategy is to use a car.

Technology allows it, infrastructure is optimized for it, and since 55% or better of your trips are done with one? You'll just keep using it until a good reason presents itself to not.

A transit system operating in parallel that offers no immediate personal gain to the car will be disregarded.

If I already drove 200 miles for a ski outing, I'm not stopping to take another 50 by train unless that's the exclusive way to get to the resort.

This is not propaganda or politics, this is simple logic.

People are not the unseen sims in SimCity that will switch transport modes when they come across them.

 

[Yamamura]

Have these people ever ridden a train before?

I'm guessing they're sort of like weeaboos of urbanism who have an idealized version of what they want to think it's like in their mind, but is severely detached from reality. But instead of getting their information from anime they get it from Jason and reddit.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Basic Game Theory - dominant strategy is to use a car.

Technology allows it, infrastructure is optimized for it, and since 55% or better of your trips are done with one? You'll just keep using it until a good reason presents itself to not.

A transit system operating in parallel that offers no immediate personal gain to the car will be disregarded.

If I already drove 200 miles for a ski outing, I'm not stopping to take another 50 by train unless that's the exclusive way to get to the resort.

This is not propaganda or politics, this is simple logic.

People are not the unseen sims in SimCity that will switch transport modes when they come across them.

Depends if I want to head into downtown Toronto for a concert or a game I’ll drive to a Go Train station and then will take the commuter line in.

This is different when it’s a ski resort which is rural and usually remote (the ones that aren’t remote you don’t want to go to as they will be swarming with Pajeets)