Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

[AnOminous]

Voluntary sterilization of the undesired and exceptional is good for society as a whole.

You can do that with a hog castrator for like $5 plus some rubbing alcohol to disinfect afterwards. No need to get all ritzy and spend $20k and shit on it.

 

[buffaloWildWings]

You can do that with a hog castrator for like $5 plus some rubbing alcohol to disinfect afterwards. No need to get all ritzy and spend $20k and shit on it.

You need to sell it as something desirable and expensive to make idiots want to do it voluntarily.
Selling negative eugenics upfront is not easy, so sometimes you need to pay extra to make it happen.

 

[AnOminous]

You need to sell it as something desirable and expensive to make idiots want to do it voluntarily.
Selling negative eugenics upfront is not easy, so sometimes you need to pay extra to make it happen.

Who said it should be voluntary?

 

[Guy Smiley]

I've never received a clear answer on why Manning should be free.
Yes, her treatment has been awful, but that's a system problem not a sentence problem.
Perhaps her sentence was harsher than it should have been, but 7 years is light for treason (and let's not kid ourselves, she was military personnel that stole classified documents and sent them to foreign powers) and something that should be handled through the military judicial system.

The sentence is the thing I've picked up on. Basically I've heard a few grumblings that people think she got a harsher penalty because she was trans. But even if that is the case, (and I'm not convinced that it is,) seven years is too lenient considering that this person basically committed treason.

 

[GabeRegan]

I thought he pulled the trans card after he was sentenced?

 

[AnOminous]

The sentence is the thing I've picked up on. Basically I've heard a few grumblings that people think she got a harsher penalty because she was trans. But even if that is the case, (and I'm not convinced that it is,) seven years is too lenient considering that this person basically committed treason.

We should probably have a thread on this if we don't, but I disagree. I think Manning got a hugely disproportionate sentence largely because Edward Snowden did a lot worse and so far has gotten away with it. And I more or less agree with what Snowden did, at least in principle, although it's legally fucked.

Manning just happened to be in a situation, unlike Snowden, where trial under the UCMJ and the fact of an oath not to do what Manning did, made a sentence a lot larger. So it was almost kicking the dog because the cat got away. Manning had access to a ridiculous number of classified documents, but they were mostly fucking boring shit. Manning's leaks caused little measurable harm to anyone, unlike Snowden's.

Manning, however, was a serious mental case even minus the tranny shit, and it's ludicrous someone like Manning was allowed access to classified material in the first place. Manning was also taken advantage of, while in a highly impressionable state that should have been obvious to any competent CO, by the Wikileaks assholes, including the disgusting snitch Adrian Lamo, who literally pumped Manning up to leak everything, just to throw a snitchfest immediately thereafter.

Then Wikileaks jerkoffs like Julian Assange capitalized on that shit, while hanging Manning out to dry when the obvious happened.

Treason is specifically providing enemies we're at war with assistance with the specific intention of it altering the outcome of the war. It is levying war against us. Not just leaking embarrassing documents to the world at large. That just isn't treason. The definition of treason is specifically limited in the fucking Constitution itself because of the reprehensible English practice of labeling damn near everything treason.

(Of the UCMJ charges Manning actually went to trial on, Manning was acquitted of the one, "aiding the enemy," that would be necessary to be being an actual traitor.)

I don't agree with pardoning Manning. What Manning did is obviously a crime. But I would be totally fine with commuting the sentence. Seven years at Leavenworth is no picnic, and certainly isn't for some tranny. Justice must be tempered with mercy, bla bla bla.

 

[captn_kettle]

I could never find a clear explanation for why Manning was arrested, other than articles going on and on about discrimination and hunger strikes.

As best I pieced it together, Manning was a gay solder in charge of confidential information. Had stressed t
He had depression and suicidal tendencies before, which was the first red flag. They gave him a desk job instead, in charge of shit kept under lock and key.

There was some things I picked up about how Manning was very out about being gay, and no one really seemed to care about it or didn't want in his pants. Not sure about the accuracy here. I'm assuming Manning got more depressed and was intending to off himself, proceeded to go out with a bang somehow by disclosing tons of shit on Bush and Iraq.

After arrest, Chelsea came out as trans, and suddenly the crimes were no longer big ticket, it was all about how this poor trans woman needed to be free. No one talks about the treason and espionage commited, that had it been more serious information would have screwed us over big time.

To me, Manning deserves that jail cell, and shouldn't be pampered by shit like VICE making daily ads on TV to mail him letters.

I can't remember the story exactly but its explained on the documentary "we steal secrets". When Manning was in the army (i think) he worked on the IT systems there (edit:he was an intelligence expert). Either way i know he had some pretty high level clearance.

He routed around some confidential documents and found a load of incriminating things regarding the US army and some of the cover-ups they had undertaken. He downloaded them, contacted Assange through IRC and jabber and ended up sending them to him. One of the most famous was the documents on iraqi war prisoners torture which everyone went mental about.

Some hacker managed to catch him and reported him to the army where he got arrested, sent to prison and eventually turned into Michael Jackson with a blonde wig.

Edit 2: Its also pretty interesting to look back and see the relationship Assange had with the newspaper "The Guardian". Way back when they both used to love each other and The Guardian heralded him as a savior to the SJW crowd. But ever since the rape allegations and Hilldawgs emails, they've switched perspective and deem Assange as some alt-right devil.

 

[m0rnutz]

I think Manning got a hugely disproportionate sentence largely because Edward Snowden did a lot worse and so far has gotten away with it.

In Manning's defense, though, he didn't commit the crime, pussy his way to Russia for asylum, and reeeeee for a pardon.

One of those two was live broadcasted on a TEDx talk through a rolling television. Guess who.

 

[CWCissey]

Edit 2: Its also pretty interesting to look back and see the relationship Assange had with the newspaper "The Guardian". Way back when they both used to love each other and The Guardian heralded him as a savior to the SJW crowd. But ever since the rape allegations and Hilldawgs emails, they've switched perspective and deem Assange as some alt-right devil.

The Guardian's a fucking rag anyway.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

The Guardian's a fucking rag anyway.

Yup. It lost loads of credibility in my mind when I saw just what a trash fire its Comment is Free section is. And the comments are even worse. They make "Any Answers" on Radio 4 seem positively thoughtful.

 

[captn_kettle]

The Guardian's a fucking rag anyway.

The only interesting thing about The Guardian is that its so fucking insane, its laughable:
http://somuchguardian.tumblr.com/

 

[Rollo]

Edit 2: Its also pretty interesting to look back and see the relationship Assange had with the newspaper "The Guardian". Way back when they both used to love each other and The Guardian heralded him as a savior to the SJW crowd. But ever since the rape allegations and Hilldawgs emails, they've switched perspective and deem Assange as some alt-right devil.

Guy is a pretty big anti Semite too, way before pirate party or any of his wikileaks shit I caught up with him at a Chomsky (I know) talk in Australia and he spent a good 5 minutes talking about Jews in Australia ruining things.

 

[JU 199]

Lol nice projection there

 

[NQ 952]

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Lol nice projection there

How does calling you every day and recording the lack of answers imply lack of morals?

 

[Bustcakes]

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What is this, a call to arms for the Crusades?

 

[j.peikko]

How does calling you every day and recording the lack of answers imply lack of morals?

none shall question the mighty troon!

 

[Intelligent Calcium]

How does calling you every day and recording the lack of answers imply lack of morals?

They could've used the time they spent ignoring your calls to ignore somebody else's calls.

 

[unclestryker]

Alright not much today, other blaming russians again. With all this talk about hating russians. I really want say to greta in person. "If hate russians so much, go kill them. You know like you tried with null."

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Yeah I hear is gib muny plox.

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Repeat of Greta's ebegging.

 

[Closet Sorcerer]

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Lol nice projection there

I almost expected Colin to write "Not one step backwards" or "No pasaran" there.

 

[4Macie]

No way they answered 9000 calls last year.

That's roughly 25 calls a day (that's including weekends and holidays). And we have proof they don't answer even during their own business hours. Of course none of the people reading Gretas lies have the brains to do simple math.