Canada is a failed state

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Lunar Eclipse Paradox said:
When even the Liberal MP's don't like the Prime Minister really shows something about Justin Trudeau.
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They don't like that they're losing. They're more than happy to go along with him otherwise. And that's why the liberal party needs to be expunged from parliament next election
 
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King Metalia said:
Quebec and it's citizens are not really French, they are fake French.
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Despite their insistence on being 'pure laine', they are really just French-flavored North American whites. If you look at Saint Pierre and Miquelon, the people are far less North American in terms of their lives and culture despite being right beside Newfoundland and effectively non-existent in the eyes of France.

Ironically I also think that majority of Canadian aboriginals are like this too, and are culturally close to poor rural whites with a large part of their 'aboriginalness' layered on top (whatever they could recreate after the 50s), though most would not like to admit this.

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There's also another option in Canada retaining the south bank of the St. Lawrence - i.e. Sherbrooke and the Gaspé peninsula. Such an option makes it easier retaining Montreal given it's guaranteed the city won't vote in favour of independence and scoops up most of the remaining Anglo population as well. Equally as unlikely as Quebec annexing the Maritimes, but a further reason for showing why any independent Quebec just won't work. At least peacefully.
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There's also the thing about the Innu and other aboriginals in the far north getting opportunities to renegotiate their deals. Quebec likes to claim that their relationship with the aboriginals are far better and that provinces are indivisible, but the aboriginals are the ones living there, and the messiness of independence offers them the opportunity to get far better deals negotiating between Canada and Quebec. I would not be surprised if they get their own territory or province regardless of which side they stay on.

And of course the big hydroelectrical dams and mining potential are all in their territories...
 
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I am not Canadian and haven’t visited the country in over a decade but…

I do have friends there mostly in Alberta and British Colombia. I actually agree with the Red Tories on a lot of things. Probably the faction I would support if I was a Leaf. Since I am American who spends time in the Philippines and fully intends to return I generally go for whatever is closest to the Populist Right or Union Left respectively. I can’t really think of much to fix Canada overall. Friends in BC tell me the cost of living is bad. Friends in Alberta tell me it’s kind of hard to find work.

Failed state? Now that I don’t know really. The fact the Chinese are buying up a lot of real estate and the Indians and Pakis are a super influential group probably doesn’t help.
 
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King Metalia said:
People who were actually born in Canada like us deserve jobs here more than Indian immigrants, who don't even bother to learn fucking English.
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But have you considered the position of the most deserving community? The landed laurentine elite can't compete with american yuppies unless the Canadian economy grows and funnels that growth into their pockets. Well, that per capita GDP hasn't budged in ages and Canada keeps losing its most promising talent and entrepreneurs to the US. That just means that wages have to go down to make sure that CAD goes to its proper final recipients. Cost of living too has to explode through competition for housing, which you naturally can't be allowed to own, so that you can't save up money to leave the country, and thus deprive the most noble of personages from wining and dining at Martha's Vineyard and skiing at Aspen with silicon valley tech bros.

Really, when you think about the REAL voting base of the country, it makes perfect sense why more 'jeets are needed. There are still so many more opportunities to degrade native born canadians into an indebted class of indentured servants working for a hereditary nobility. God save the king, and all that jazz.
 
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Despite their insistence on being 'pure laine', they are really just French-flavored North American whites. If you look at Saint Pierre and Miquelon, the people are far less North American in terms of their lives and culture despite being right beside Newfoundland and effectively non-existent in the eyes of France.

Ironically I also think that majority of Canadian aboriginals are like this too, and are culturally close to poor rural whites with a large part of their 'aboriginalness' layered on top (whatever they could recreate after the 50s), though most would not like to admit this.


There's also the thing about the Innu and other aboriginals in the far north getting opportunities to renegotiate their deals. Quebec likes to claim that their relationship with the aboriginals are far better and that provinces are indivisible, but the aboriginals are the ones living there, and the messiness of independence offers them the opportunity to get far better deals negotiating between Canada and Quebec. I would not be surprised if they get their own territory or province regardless of which side they stay on.

And of course the big hydroelectrical dams and mining potential are all in their territories...
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Ill push back a bit and say that the Quebecois are maybe onto something on being 'more French' than metropolitan France. My granpere's generation was probably the last to be raised like this, but before the 1960s, Quebec was basically what all the trad-caths wet dream today was. Highly Catholic, very rural, very traditional, lots of interesting folklore, rugged, people living innawoods in random farm settlements, etc. Other than Montreal and Quebec city, Id like to imagine that the way of life there was largely unchanged for centuries, at least in tone. If you look at things, while not French-French in either the modern sense or the ancient continental, the French revolution largely skipped over Quebec, whereas it completely altered and transformed French society on the continent.

Id call the Quebecois frontier French, the same way that Canadians and Americans are frontier Anglos. There is a unifying frontier culture that unites all three in a great sense, that I don't think most of Latin America has with their recreation of the caste system and class system and largely metropolitan emphasis. You might see some of that in the North West of Mexico, but its a highly urbanized society in a way that colonial North America never was.

If you look at Quebec today, youre absolutely right that Quebecois are basically just like Americans, with some extra spices on top. Its the same with the aboriginals as well. Same basic lifestyle and values, just with a few religious quirks, cultural legends, and flavors mixed in superficially.

But for pure French culture, I think theres room for reasonable arguments here that they may have once had something that tied itself in a stronger way to old tradition. Now, I'd probably argue not.

Arguably, Quebec had better historical ties to aboriginals when it was more trad (for example, they loved the Metis, Louis Riel, and were the biggest advocate for natives in Western provinces against the Anglos). They ironically were also the biggest enthusiasts for residential schools, when I used to read the government archives, 90% of the school were run by French jesuits.

Its ironic though, because modern Quebecois history, after the quiet revolution, mirrors a lot of liberal Canada in many ways. They profess to want to champion the downtrodden further, like with the natives, want secularization, etc- but wind up being worse for all the most ironic reasons.

If you want evidence of this, look at the Oka crisis, look at the relationship between the Quebecois and the Mohawk, look at how they constantly have tensions with random tribes within the province in the north over mining rights. Neo-liberal Quebec, which it barely is but its the only title I can maybe give to these series of policies, really choose to fuck with native's landrights in the name of business, while preaching UN values and reconciliation. Its a really bizarre thing where the non-business friendly, arguably "racist", trad Quebec respected natives more, and the modern Quebec has its own series of problems they never had. "They are our noble savage, and you will leave them alone" vs "bless us with your cultural diversity and 2spirit guidance, also we need to build a golf course on your land for the friendly developers".

There's a lot that could be said of Quebec, but not going to drag it on much more. Was watching videos of the old Rideau valley in the north, the shield between Quebec and Ontario where my family has been for centuries, and it gave me a pang of national pride and nostalgia. I love the frontier, I love where my family is from, and Im just so sad that things are this bad
 
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King Metalia said:
People who were actually born in Canada like us deserve jobs here more than Indian immigrants, who don't even bother to learn fucking English.
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Even if they did learn English and adapted to the old stock Canadian culture. I still don't want ugly brown people here.

They need to go back and build India into the Super-power they claim it is.

Id call the Quebecois frontier French, the same way that Canadians and Americans are frontier Anglos. There is a unifying frontier culture that unites all three in a great sense, that I don't think most of Latin America has with their recreation of the caste system and class system and largely metropolitan emphasis. You might see some of that in the North West of Mexico, but its a highly urbanized society in a way that colonial North America never was.
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Also to add onto this @DiscoRodeo great post btw. Frontier Anglos were literally on the frontier / borderlands between Northern England Scotland and then first moved to the Plantation of Ulster (trial run) before being moved to the 13 Plantations of America. (Not colonies because they exploited Whites in tenfold more ways than their valuable Negro slaves) (See James LaFond's series of novels on "Plantation America")
 
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