Culture Study: Turns out gender dysphoria isn't a thing, but autism is - Rat King subforum to be presented as evidence

Dr. Kenneth Zucker, a psychologist with 30 years of experience running the largest Canadian childhood gender clinic, believes that transgender children may actually just be suffering from autism.

The psychologist says that a child suffering from gender dysphoria, or transgenderism, may be wrongly convincing themselves that they are their opposite biological gender due to fixation—a common quality associated with autism—on their gender.

"It is possible that kids who have a tendency to get obsessed or fixated on something may latch on to gender,” says Zucker. “Just because kids are saying something doesn't necessarily mean you accept it, or that it's true, or that it could be in the best interests of the child.”

Zucker has also linked the high association of trans children who suffer from autism to support his claim.

“Latest figures show that the number of children under 10 in Britain being referred to the NHS over transgender feelings has quadrupled in five years,” notes The Telegraph. Zucker claims such children are “seven times more likely to be on the autistic spectrum.”

The psychologist makes his controversial claim on the BBC 2 documentary Transgender Kids: Who Knows Best?, set to air on Thursday night. The film examines opposing viewpoints surrounding gender dysphoria in children, a disorder growing at an alarming rate. The documentary has received blow-back from ardent transgender activists who want to ban the film from airing until it is reviewed by “experts;” a Change.org petition has been created, garnering over 10,000 signatures advocating for the censorship.

Besides linking autism to gender dysphoria, Zucker has been critical of the idea that we must appease the illness and allow children to “transition” to their opposite sex. In fact, the psychologist claims he was booted from the children’s trans clinic in Toronto for voicing such a dissenting view.

As reported at The Daily Wire this month, the American College of Pediatricians has estimated that 75-95 percent of children with gender dysphoria grow out of such sexual confusion before adulthood. This reinforces the notion that allowing children to "transition" at a young age could do far more harm than good.

Transgender activist and Mermaids Chief Executive Susie Green thinks Zucker’s view and the BBC 2 documentary in totality are moving transgenderism “backwards.”

“We are trying to move away from the perception of it being perceived as a psychological ailment, and this just goes backwards," Green told The Guardian.

“We’ve had real concern that this is going to cause them to be targeted, because it supports this idea of trans children being mentally disturbed or that they can be cured. Parents are very afraid,” she added.

In response to criticism, the BBC 2 has defended the documentary, releasing the following statement:

“With a rise in the number of children being referred to gender clinics, this programme sensitively presents different views from experts and parents on gender dysphoria in children.

For more than 30 years Dr Kenneth Zucker ran Canada’s biggest child gender clinic and was considered a recognised authority on childhood gender dysphoria until he lost his job. He believes he was fired for challenging the gender affirmative approach.

This documentary examines Zucker’s methods, but it also includes significant contributions from his critics and supporters of gender affirmation, including transgender activists in Canada and leading medical experts as well as parents with differing experiences of gender dysphoria and gender reassignment.”
 
This dude claims to disagree with John Money's entire theory of gender, but then he does the same shit, like discouraging children from being transgender by forcing them to play with the toys that match their gender instead of the ones they like to play with. There's refusing to give a kid drugs and surgery and then there's telling them they can't play with Littlest Pet Shop toys either because fuck you, that's why.

Let the kids be weird, if you honestly believe every child is one plastic pony away from nuclear level trans then you are not very different from Money at all now are you.
 
Transgender activist and Mermaids Chief Executive Susie Green thinks Zucker’s view and the BBC 2 documentary in totality are moving transgenderism “backwards.”
“We are trying to move away from the perception of it being perceived as a psychological ailment, and this just goes backwards," Green told The Guardian.
“We’ve had real concern that this is going to cause them to be targeted, because it supports this idea of trans children being mentally disturbed or that they can be cured. Parents are very afraid,” she added.

And of course it's fucking Mermaids.

I'm a woolly-headed liberal and transing kids makes me profoundly queasy, because kids are fucking stupid. Nobody would suggest that a three-year-old girl who thought she could be a giraffe or a train when she grew up was doing anything but indulging in a bit of completely developmentally unremarkable magical thinking, but if that same kid declares that she wants to be a boy suddenly far too many of my fellow-travelers have decided this is supposed to be taken as an amazing revelation of profound truth and not straight out the same look-at-me-I'm-a-teapot box. This is clearly dangerous nonsense and it worries me that so many people seem to be buying into it.

Mermaids attempts to terrify parents into letting their kids transition by pushing the narrative that any parent who tells their primary-school age son that disliking football doesn't mean he's not a boy is setting them up to commit suicide. There was a case in the UK recently where a seven-year-old boy had been convinced he was a trans girl by his entirely batshit mother. When he was removed from her care, he almost immediately decided that actually he'd been a boy all along. The judge in the case not only ordered her to stay away from this poor child, though, they ordered Mermaids to back the fuck off as well.

Mermaids reacted to this in the traditional fashion: crying oppression on Twitter.

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These people, who are clearly so very open-minded about gender their brains fell right out, are treated as a reputable source on all things transgender by journalists, since apparently the only thing you have to do to qualify as an 'expert' on trans matters right now is to tell your kid to put on a skirt then say you are. Being a medical professional with thirty years' experience doesn't cut it any more: now it's all about the lived experience of attention-whoring moonbats who run nonprofits that don't so much push their agenda as pile-drive it, and sacrifice their kids' health on the altar of mindless progressivism. There are more Trans Lifelines out there than you'd think.
 
Trannies all scream in unison: IGNORE ACTUAL MEDICINE AND FACTS, MY FEEEEEEEELS ARE THE REEEEEEEEALS.

So staying the course, then.

I've brought this up a few times, but while legit Gender Dysphoria is a thing, it's fucking rare (as in rarer than the drop rate for rare items in MMORPGs rare) and the average human will go through their entire lives without ever meeting someone with it unless they go actively looking. More than that, the legit ones are people who go out of their way to blend in as their new gender, content to just live their lives in fucking peace.

Because of the sheer numbers involved, they were easily co-opted by the identity politics crowd. Even if every single one of them (including the undiagnosed) raised their voices on Social Media in unison, they would not have a fraction of the reach of the sheer volume of insane genderspecial trannies on Social Media. These people have fucking destroyed the ability to do legitimate information gathering due to their hatred of facts, have set back trans rights activism by fucking decades, and have essentially turned transpeople the world over into a joke akin to Otherkin and Headmates.

Before I go on, I want to briefly touch upon why I come down so hard on some of the Rat King for their transgenderism claims. Feel free to read or ignore it as you see fit:

I know people who went through all the official channels for transitioning. For them it was a years-long struggle and they had to go through psychiatric screening, physical therapy, medication testing, and more, because they were insisting on doing things by the numbers.

A fuck-up with medication dosing could (and did) fucking hospitalize them, and they went in knowing the risks. It's because of all this shit that I have absolute, complete, 100% faith that the likes of Vade, Greta, Phil, Boyd, Alley, etc not only are not legitimately trans, but never have been and never will be, because there is no way in hell any of them would get past the psychiatric screenings, let alone the fucking medication tests. They're fetishists and opportunists, nothing less.

Since day one here, one of the things that pissed me off so much about the genderspecial assholes is that they are actively destroying the ability of the scientific community to do its fucking job, and they do not fucking care that they're actively causing people to turn hostile towards transpeople as a whole. Virtually to a man, none of the "trans" lolcows we've covered are trans, have ever had proper medical diagnosis or psych screening, and care nothing for the people whose lives they're fucking up. It's all about them, so fuck everyone else.

That said? I'm glad that this guy's coming down hard on the transgendered kids shit. That crap is, by all acounts, bullshit, and any attempt to hamstring that fuckshittery deserves praise.
 
These people have fucking destroyed the ability to do legitimate information gathering due to their hatred of facts, have set back trans rights activism by fucking decades, and have essentially turned transpeople the world over into a joke akin to Otherkin and Headmates.

Not just this, they destroyed the creation of a reasonable trans movement forever. Fun fact: There are many gender critical trans people (!) who don't deny their biological sex but still transitioned because of issues they couldn't resolve otherwise. They do argue against modern trans activism because it's fucking insane. But it's nearly impossible to fight against it.

I know one of them who called the current trans community a "clown car" because people want every fucking fetish and identity included.
 
I consider myself on the left, but it's amazing how frequently leftists are the ones to trot out eugenics programs in the name of doing social good. A century ago the progressive populists would have a booth at your local county or state fair holding competitions to measure your family and come up with who was "fittest" based on body proportion, and wrote about how it was kinder to future generations to sterilize anyone homosexual or disabled.

Today, the rhetoric has changed to "choice," so the idea is to sell kids who already are bullied and feel "different" (read: undesirable) that the solution for their problems just happens to involve sterilization and permanent consumption of pharmaceuticals vulnerable to sudden supply shortages and price increases. A eugenics program the victims have to pay for all their lives, in the form of continued medical procedures and prescriptions, ensuring they'll also never have enough wealth to be able to spread their influence economically. It's pretty incredible social engineering, if you think about it.
 
Does anyone else find it kinda funny this is essentially a eugenics program to ensure autists don't breed and it's been heralded in under the guise of tolerance?

:story:

In another generation we won't have any cows left.
You say this light heartedly but just think about it. One hundred years from now, without seeing the screeching back and forth and the activist articles - just the science - those future people are going to look back on this mass sterilization of a block of mentally ill people and think we were a bunch of savages.
 
Children universally have curiosity about being the opposite sex. They are different, but similar, so naturally we wonder what it would be like. It's up to the parents to marshal these thoughts, and guide their children towards a better understanding of who they are.

The highest form of mental abuse I can imagine on a child is to tell them that they are not who they are. These kids that transition before puberty are going to have stunted or no sexual development, and probably mental health issues as a result of a brain trying to adapt hormones and the impulses that come with them that aren't it's own. Even people that are more receptive to female hormones can have problems, and those issues are magnified in immature brains that aren't fully developed.
 
I think autist are bad with
I consider myself on the left, but it's amazing how frequently leftists are the ones to trot out eugenics programs in the name of doing social good. A century ago the progressive populists would have a booth at your local county or state fair holding competitions to measure your family and come up with who was "fittest" based on body proportion, and wrote about how it was kinder to future generations to sterilize anyone homosexual or disabled.

Today, the rhetoric has changed to "choice," so the idea is to sell kids who already are bullied and feel "different" (read: undesirable) that the solution for their problems just happens to involve sterilization and permanent consumption of pharmaceuticals vulnerable to sudden supply shortages and price increases. A eugenics program the victims have to pay for all their lives, in the form of continued medical procedures and prescriptions, ensuring they'll also never have enough wealth to be able to spread their influence economically. It's pretty incredible social engineering, if you think about it.

I don't think these people believe in genetics anymore. Charles Darwin was a Fucking White Male.
 
I like how were taking the word of a disgraced psychologist whose clinic had to apologize for his bullshit, and the American College of Pediatrics, which is a conservative think tank known for opposing LGBT rights. But all those other doctors of course are just being PC and we are totally not latching onto outliers because they justify our bias. No sir.

You know, you would have a point, but this wouldn't be the first time the disgraced, fringe thinker turned out to be right.
 
You say this light heartedly but just think about it. One hundred years from now, without seeing the screeching back and forth and the activist articles - just the science - those future people are going to look back on this mass sterilization of a block of mentally ill people and think we were a bunch of savages.

Yeah, all the virtue signalling from "allies" will seem pretty pathetic and sad at that point. All the "what a beautiful little girl you are" stuff to little boys growing long hair, people are going to be deleting it from their social media history and pretending it never happened. The brand of leftist pushing this shit does the memory hole thing about other stuff all the time -- they'll post about liking a book/movie/song, but if they hear from someone that it was "problematic," the post goes away, like it never happened.

In this way, they keep their "performance" free from unjust viewpoints. And really, performance and identity is everything, so if you keep up an external front of always having been politically correct, it's like you've made it real. As real as the femaleness of little boys who like to wear dresses.
 
You say this light heartedly but just think about it. One hundred years from now, without seeing the screeching back and forth and the activist articles - just the science - those future people are going to look back on this mass sterilization of a block of mentally ill people and think we were a bunch of savages.

I'm sure mental asylums were at the time seen as wholly beneficial and not simply prisons for the mentally challenged. Mental health treatment has always been an evolving science but so far anything that hasn't proven successful was in fact horribly dehumanizing and degrading to innocent people who were seen more as a burden on society than anything.

Hindsight is 20/20, after all.
 
You know, you would have a point, but this wouldn't be the first time the disgraced, fringe thinker turned out to be right.

Not to mention, his firing was politically motivated and lies were used to get him fired (like a kid saying he'd used slurs at their visit, but it turned out the doctor literally wasn't there at the clinic that day and was recorded being elsewhere, so whoops). http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/02/fight-over-trans-kids-got-a-researcher-fired.html

This is the same article that makes Nora Reed so angry at JESSSEEEEEEE. Someone dared to tell the truth about a doctor who was doing good for kids with dysphoria, and it makes her so angry. Why can't they sterilize the kids faster without investigating the cause of their desire to be sterilized or whether they even understand the ramifications? Nora demands to know!
 
These kids that transition before puberty are going to have stunted or no sexual development, and probably mental health issues as a result of a brain trying to adapt hormones and the impulses that come with them that aren't it's own.

Ohh there is much more. The side effects of the "puberty blockers" (drugs for cancer patients), the side effect of the hormones or failed dick inverting surgeries - because you need enough flesh to have a more or less successful surgery but if you block puberty at 10 or 12 the dick and balls don't grow and even get smaller because genital atrophy is one of the side effects of "puberty blockers".

Oh and impotence/ loss of libido are another side effect. That means the boys end up with no sexual maturation whatsoever. But I guess for liberals that's much better than having an icky male sex drive.

:story: hmmmm the perks of troonery.
 
While it is dangerous and worrisome, how autistic children with a gender obsession or parents who need to stop are being shuffled off to transition related care instead of the proper care for autism, correlation is not necessarily causation. (If that were the case, then vaccines would totally cause autism. :P)

But do not think this means I support the whole trans kids notion. A kid who is actually trans is rare, let alone one who is still trans as an adult and they shouldn't be given blockers, nor hormones as a minor, due to a lack of knowledge about their long term effects on minors. (Primum non nocere, after all.) People also need to stop trying to force their kids to be trans and people need to stop generally acting like trannies are something like half the population.
 
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