Culture Study: Turns out gender dysphoria isn't a thing, but autism is - Rat King subforum to be presented as evidence

Dr. Kenneth Zucker, a psychologist with 30 years of experience running the largest Canadian childhood gender clinic, believes that transgender children may actually just be suffering from autism.

The psychologist says that a child suffering from gender dysphoria, or transgenderism, may be wrongly convincing themselves that they are their opposite biological gender due to fixation—a common quality associated with autism—on their gender.

"It is possible that kids who have a tendency to get obsessed or fixated on something may latch on to gender,” says Zucker. “Just because kids are saying something doesn't necessarily mean you accept it, or that it's true, or that it could be in the best interests of the child.”

Zucker has also linked the high association of trans children who suffer from autism to support his claim.

“Latest figures show that the number of children under 10 in Britain being referred to the NHS over transgender feelings has quadrupled in five years,” notes The Telegraph. Zucker claims such children are “seven times more likely to be on the autistic spectrum.”

The psychologist makes his controversial claim on the BBC 2 documentary Transgender Kids: Who Knows Best?, set to air on Thursday night. The film examines opposing viewpoints surrounding gender dysphoria in children, a disorder growing at an alarming rate. The documentary has received blow-back from ardent transgender activists who want to ban the film from airing until it is reviewed by “experts;” a Change.org petition has been created, garnering over 10,000 signatures advocating for the censorship.

Besides linking autism to gender dysphoria, Zucker has been critical of the idea that we must appease the illness and allow children to “transition” to their opposite sex. In fact, the psychologist claims he was booted from the children’s trans clinic in Toronto for voicing such a dissenting view.

As reported at The Daily Wire this month, the American College of Pediatricians has estimated that 75-95 percent of children with gender dysphoria grow out of such sexual confusion before adulthood. This reinforces the notion that allowing children to "transition" at a young age could do far more harm than good.

Transgender activist and Mermaids Chief Executive Susie Green thinks Zucker’s view and the BBC 2 documentary in totality are moving transgenderism “backwards.”

“We are trying to move away from the perception of it being perceived as a psychological ailment, and this just goes backwards," Green told The Guardian.

“We’ve had real concern that this is going to cause them to be targeted, because it supports this idea of trans children being mentally disturbed or that they can be cured. Parents are very afraid,” she added.

In response to criticism, the BBC 2 has defended the documentary, releasing the following statement:

“With a rise in the number of children being referred to gender clinics, this programme sensitively presents different views from experts and parents on gender dysphoria in children.

For more than 30 years Dr Kenneth Zucker ran Canada’s biggest child gender clinic and was considered a recognised authority on childhood gender dysphoria until he lost his job. He believes he was fired for challenging the gender affirmative approach.

This documentary examines Zucker’s methods, but it also includes significant contributions from his critics and supporters of gender affirmation, including transgender activists in Canada and leading medical experts as well as parents with differing experiences of gender dysphoria and gender reassignment.”
 
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Alexandra DaPonte and David S. Gallant were reeing about that article the other day. It would probably be more worth their while to focus on improving their own lives, but here we are.
This thread will probably be moved to the salt-mine because that's where threads about freaking out over the truth belong.

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This weirdo actually had to go in for a mental examination, and what the examiner said was that although this person was wearing typically female clothes, they still acted and came across as (speech, intonation, body language, prosody) masculine. (OPL)

The examiner also said that this person denied being on hormones, despite having a more fem/androgynous face that can only be achieved with hormones. The examiners did not say that it looked like a woman. Trannies like to say they're not on hormones, which helps them to justify their beliefs that they were meant to be women when questioned by the outside world(feminine essence).
This person is threadworthy.
 
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This intrigues me. Countries which tend towards eliminating gender inequality (like Iceland) tend to have lifespans that are nearly identical (usually with one or the other going up or down by a year in a given period.) I was always told men only lived shorter lives because they were more likely to die doing things like war, etc?

Testosterone levels in your body affect your judgement and willingness to take risks. Someone whose body makes more test will necessarily take more risks than someone whose body makes less.

This is why various dangerous and/or violent hobbies are primarily male-dominated.

It's nothing to do with gender inequality. Women are just less likely to want to go do a dangerous job for more pay (work on an oil rig for example). That's just biology talking.
 
Testosterone levels in your body affect your judgement and willingness to take risks. Someone whose body makes more test will necessarily take more risks than someone whose body makes less.

This is why various dangerous and/or violent hobbies are primarily male-dominated.

It's nothing to do with gender inequality. Women are just less likely to want to go do a dangerous job for more pay (work on an oil rig for example). That's just biology talking

Actually, that does answer my question reaffirming my first statement. It is indeed as I suspected, then. Men live shorter lives because they are more likely to do things which are dangerous (e.g. war), but not because the Y chromosome is somehow going to make you live ten years less.

I suppose it could also explain things like the Iceland scenario, with their simply being less dangerous things for men to do?
 
Tl'dr we want the people involved sanctioned and the program censored because we disagree with it's message. Isn't this actual fascism? Not the whiny college student definition but essentially the real thing?

Let's not join the whiny college students in cheapening the definition of fascism. This is about as fascist as all the Christian organizations that get upset about "satanism" in their children's books or degeneracy on television.

The problem is the media has a blind spot for whiny troons because they share politics. The BBC hasn't clued into the fact that these guys are the left-wing version of groups like Focus on the Family.
 
Actually, that does answer my question reaffirming my first statement. It is indeed as I suspected, then. Men live shorter lives because they are more likely to do things which are dangerous (e.g. war), but not because the Y chromosome is somehow going to make you live ten years less.

I suppose it could also explain things like the Iceland scenario, with their simply being less dangerous things for men to do?

Potentially. The one example you provide is actually the least applicable example of the above, as going to war in most cases (if we're talking conscripts), is something that is specifically happening simply because they have a Y chromosome (not because of increased risk-taking).
 
I think most of us do believe gender dysphoria exists. But the link between a lot of people claiming to have it and it an autism seems undeniable. You have Chris, who seems like he always kind of struggled with his sexuality, who is autistic. Same with Phil.

Then you have people like @Thomas Jay Wasserberg who mostly uses it to try to get benefits from being in a 'protected' class, and may also have autism.

Greta, and a lot of the tumble/twitter trannies who use it to be a super special snowflake. And exploit it for money.
you're quite insane and believing pure bullshit about me made up by mean, stupid, intellectually dishonest trolls who can't defeat my arguments with anything but lies and innuendo. . i suffered gender dysphoria in silence for nearly 60 years before finally coming out. when i was young, because of my feminine physique, i had difficulty passing for a straight male. go get your meds adusted, you insanely stupid pig.
 
you're quite insane and believing pure bullshit about me made up by mean, stupid, intellectually dishonest trolls who can't defeat my arguments with anything but lies and innuendo. . i suffered gender dysphoria in silence for nearly 60 years before finally coming out. when i was young, because of my feminine physique, i had difficulty passing for a straight male. go get your meds adusted, you insanely stupid pig.
1. No one believes you, Tommy
2. Get a life, you man-witch faced dog fucker.
3. Autogynephiliacs are notorious for lying when self-reporting about gender dysphoria.
 
The one I know of specifically focused on a part of the brain called the red nucleus.

Considering the nature of studies like this, and the fact their results are often inconclusive, I'd really like to see more on the subject.
I can provide some resources and insight into this, as well. I'll aim to keep it as condensed as possible, but I'll try to hit all of the relevant points. Please keep in mind that because people who have been confirmed as genuinely trans, after shifting through all of the troons, make up such a small portion of the population, these can be considered "inconclusive", as you've stated. The sample sizes are quite small because they only used people who actually experience dysphoria as proven through a professional diagnoses.
To put this here again:
Disclaimer: I have a subscription to an academic site, and there's a possibility that not all references can be found free of charge, if any. So if you seek out the full publications, I cannot provide them, and many academic resources are quite costly. So, please don't ask for links - I can only provide the publication names. All wording I use here will be the wording used in the studies, only changing easily replaced words you'd likely have to google. All references are peer-reviewed scientific studies.
In the same previously referenced study by Bao, the difference between neurons in the brain are discussed in depth. There are two regions in the brain wherein XY karyotype men have roughly twice the volume and number of neurons as XX karyotype women in the BSTc and INAH3 regions of the brain. An example is cited on a tested transman who was found to have an XY male number of neurons. This is also supported in a separate study by Frank Kruijver in 2000. These studies were conducted through brain imaging, and due to the small sample size and varying levels, it was inconclusive, however they also support and back up the study by Jiang-Ning Zhou in 1995 where studies on the cadavers of transwomen are shown to consistently have roughly the same numbers of neurons in those two areas as XX women do.

A study by Eileen Luders also shows that the MRI data from 24 transwoman, none of which had started HRT, that while largely their grey matter appeared similar to XY karyotype males, there was a significantly larger amount in the right putamen. The grey matter structure of the transwomen were also much closer to those seen in XX karyotype females. She concluded that while the brains resembled XY males in terms of grey matter, in one specific region they were much more "feminised" than their XY karyotype male counterparts.

Similarly, a study by Giuseppina Rametti in 2011 into the white matter of trans brains showed that in the brains of 18 transmen the white matter structure in their brains were far closer to XY males than XX females. The difference between the white matter of the transmale brain differed significantly from the XY males in only one single region of the brain, whereas they differed significantly from the XX women in three regions. Again, this was a study on people who had not yet recieved any hormone therapy. A follow-up by Rametti in 2012 found that when checking in on the transmen, after receiving HRT, that significant changes occurred in their brains, which masculinised them even further in certain regions associated with XY males.
Rametti provided a chart depicting the findings:
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A study by Yokota in 2005 provides an MRI study of 22 transwomen and 28 transmen examining the physical shape of the corpus callosum in the brain, and compared it to that shape to those observed in 211 XY karyotype males and 211 XX karyotype females. The results showed that the sex of the patient could not only be determined at 74% accuracy with this method, but also that the shapes in the brains of transgender individuals strongly reflect gender, rather than their biological sex.
Provided graph of results:
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A study in 2012 by Leire Zubiaurre-Elorza examines the cortical thickness in the brain between 29 XY males, 23 XX females, 24 transmen, and 18 transwomen. Again, none of the transgender examples have had any HRT at the time of the study. Researchers found that the transwomen had more cortical thickness than XY males in three different regions of the brain. Transmen showed masculinisation of their grey matter, and in all trans studied, the large differences from their biological sex were found in the right hemisphere of their brain.

TL;DR: Overlaps include neuron levels, grey matter levels and structure, white matter levels, the physical shape of the corpus callosum, and cortical thickness.

Also, some studies where no significant differences were found, because those can be relevant for future reference and possible trannytrender debunks.

While considered now outdated, Lee Emory in 1991 investigated the gross level of the corpus callosum in the brains of 20 transgender people and found no significant difference between 40 control subjects. It should be noted that the MRI technology employed by this study was new at the time and can affect accuracy significantly.

A study by Markus Hengstschläger in 2003 of 20 transwomen and 31 transmen found only two transwonen posessed a detectable DNA defect. I find this study is rather sound, as a sample size of 61 trans people is a pretty good average, if not larger than average. It was conducted rather basically, so there may still be subtle differences not yet explored, however there are no significant differences, and as of now, it remains solid.

Heino Meyer-Bahlburg stated in 2011 that some researchers believe that while all of this evidence is intriguing, it's considered incredibly subtle and as a result is difficult to properly study in depth, therefore should not be considered conclusive enough to say that being trans is irrefutably caused by a brain structure-specific intersex condition.

TL;DR 2:
- The gross level of the corpus callosum has no significant difference, though this is an old study with outdated technology
- There is no solid evidence that DNA defects have anything to do with being trans
- Due to how subtle a large number of these links are, it's difficult to study further, which leaves the above cases arguably inconclusive.

Ai-Min Bao, and Dick Swaab, “Sexual differentiation of the human brain: Relation to gender identity, sexual orientation and neuropsychiatric disorders” Frontiers in Neuroendocrinology, Vol. 32 (2011) - Pages 214-226.

Frank Kruijver, “Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus” The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol. 85 Iss. 5 (2000) - Pages 2034-2041.

Jiang-Ning Zhou, “A Sex Difference in the Human Brain and its Relation to Transsexuality.” Nature Vol. 378 Iss. 6552 (1995) - Pages 68-70.

Eileen Luders, “Regional gray matter variation in male-to-female transsexualism” Neuroimage Vol. 46 Iss. 4 (2009) - Pages 904-907.

Giuseppina Rametti, “White matter microstructure in female to male transsexuals before cross-sex hormonal treatment. A diffusion tensor imaging study” Journal of Psychiatric Research Vol. 45 (2011) - Pages 199-204.

Giuseppina Rametti, “Effects of androgenization on the white matter microstructure of female-to-male transsexuals. A diffusion tensor imaging study” Psychoneuroendocrinology Vol. 37 (2012) - Pages 1261-1269.

Yokota, “Callosal Shapes at the Midsagittal Plane: MRI Differences of Normal Males, Normal Females, and GID” Proceedings of the 2005 IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology 27th Annual Conference - Shanghai, China, September 1-4, 2005.

Leire Zubiaurre-Elorza, “Cortical Thickness in Untreated Transsexuals” Cerebral Cortex Advance Access, published August 31, 2012.

Lee Emory, “Anatomic variation of the corpus callosum in persons with gender dysphoria.” Archives of Sexual Behavior Vol. 20 Iss. 4 (1991) - 409-417.

Markus Hengstschläger, “Sex chromosome aberrations and transsexualism.” Fertility and sterility Vol. 79 Iss. 3 (2003) - 639-640.

Heino Meyer-Bahlburg, “Transsexualism (“Gender Identity Disorder”)–A CNS-Limited Form of Intersexuality?.” Hormonal and Genetic Basis of Sexual Differentiation Disorders and Hot Topics in Endocrinology: Proceedings of the 2nd World Conference. Springer New York, 2011.

Apologies if I was a little slow getting this out, this sort of stuff takes a bit of time and effort on my part, and I'm running a fever so I'm pretty tired. It's something to think about, though.

It's also important to note that because all studies I've been referencing are done on people with diagnosed dysphoria, it's hard getting good recent examples due to the troon influx. These studies also all maintain the general idea that being trans is still caused by physical/chemical deviations, and many of these studies cited imply that it falls on a spectrum of intersex due to it being directly related to developmental discrepancies between one's biological sex. This, of course, is cause for disagreement, which is a large point of what Meyer-Bahlburg was saying when discussing the fact that it's hard to study more in-depth. Personally speaking, I'm more inclined to believe the studies that suggest they're intersex, as the groups who show no physical or chemical abnormalities implying an intersex condition tend to be the same groups who result in the autism links being made in the first place.
 
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