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Didn't know LA even had a metro but never stayed more than a day there. I remember taking the MUNI N, later M lines back when i was in SF growing up and it was pretty chill on the most part. The only like crime that I witnessed in them was the fact that literally no one pays to use it, they all don't tap on when the train stops on the road or where the trains run underground they all just hop the barriers to the point that why would muni even bother enforcing a direct fee to use it.
I've ridden LA transit a couple times. Interestingly the one time I saw them checking fares was at a station with fare gates and where I thought was one of the more affluent areas.

I don't know if MUNI is doing it, but BART has realized that by making sure people pay they'll have less security problems.

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The funny part to me is they didn't even bother pretending. They put the first test gates in West Oakland.
 
Didn't know LA even had a metro but never stayed more than a day there. I remember taking the MUNI N, later M lines back when i was in SF growing up and it was pretty chill on the most part. The only like crime that I witnessed in them was the fact that literally no one pays to use it, they all don't tap on when the train stops on the road or where the trains run underground they all just hop the barriers to the point that why would muni even bother enforcing a direct fee to use it.

The LA metro is good for trips within the downtown core. Beyond that, it gets sketchy as the farther you get from the hub (LA Union Station) the less attendants and police there are. As such the issue with the G line it that you get the junkies from Hollywood. The issue with the E line is that you get the homeless with some niggers. The A and C lines have a 50/50 mix of niggers and crazy homeless (who ride the rails terminating in Long Beach).
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Additionally as the LA Metro is a hub model the further you get away from the center, the bigger the waste of time it becomes. As an example, if a tourist stays at the Westin Bonaventure in Downtown and wants to go to Santa Monica; by car its 40 minutes whereas the train will take over an hour. The Metro has its uses but its generally very limited.
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The funny part to me is they didn't even bother pretending. They put the first test gates in West Oakland.
Must be new since I haven't gone back there since 2022, honestly woulda done the first one of those there or in macarthur so it makes sense. If they don't raise the height of the half height walls in most stations then people would just jump those instead though.
whereas the train will take over an hour
Lol its only 20 minutes faster than biking while taking an hour, just sounds like they have a really slow system if bikes are close to edging them out. One day these people will realize all people care about when travelling is convenience and tripling your journey length for no real benefit is not that, even if you're burdened by having to drive and dealing with other socal drivers.
 
Lol its only 20 minutes faster than biking while taking an hour, just sounds like they have a really slow system if bikes are close to edging them out. One day these people will realize all people care about when travelling is convenience and tripling your journey length for no real benefit is not that, even if you're burdened by having to drive and dealing with other socal drivers.
The problem with US transit is fat lazy americans will walk about a block or two at most. Which means the damn stations end up being quite close together, which slows down the whole system. Add infrequent service and you've a real winner.
 
The problem with US transit is fat lazy americans will walk about a block or two at most. Which means the damn stations end up being quite close together, which slows down the whole system. Add infrequent service and you've a real winner.
Oh yeah i noticed that with buses there and thought that was weird how they literally have bus stops every single block compared to in china where they're a lot further apart but conversely a lot faster even with more walking involved. I mean the problem with buses in sf especially the ones that go thru chinatown though was the fact that they just were stuck in the same endless car traffic so you combine that with the fact it stops every block or so, at least with the bulk of the muni metro they have their own train space and a subway for almost all of it but they do have that stop proximity problem as well when they run overground along the roads, which is why they're not that fast in some places.
 
Some people I know have started getting weird like the people covered in here about cars. Brought up in casual conversation some weeks ago how the 'walkable cities" shit usually if not always neglects the basic shit most people want (sidewalks on side of highway that aren't incomplete and nonsensically scattered) and instead decides to pave over or wall off main roads making car and walking shit both worse in actual practice despite being "better" on paper. two of them suddenly got really heated and their responses were to try framing me like I was insane and how we should just use trains instead of cars because it's safer and more efficient. I pointed out the derailing and chemical explosion that tainted the air and water in ohio a while back and said that would happen a lot more if you cut off all other travel options aside from train and they legit were like "oh well ummm aactually nobody died so your point falls apart". I fucking hope they were just fucking with me but signs point to "no they were serious"

Meant to bring this up weeks ago in here but I've been dead and forgot to apperently lmao. Genuinely surreal encountering this fucking rhetoric in your actual life.

Oh yeah i noticed that with buses there and thought that was weird how they literally have bus stops every single block compared to in china where they're a lot further apart but conversely a lot faster even with more walking involved. I mean the problem with buses in sf especially the ones that go thru chinatown though was the fact that they just were stuck in the same endless car traffic so you combine that with the fact it stops every block or so, at least with the bulk of the muni metro they have their own train space and a subway for almost all of it but they do have that stop proximity problem as well when they run overground along the roads, which is why they're not that fast in some places.
Buses used to be better in the US, at least from what my early childhood memories recall. There used to be a few bus stops nearby me but they've been gone for like 2 decades or more and the only place I see bus stops is in cities every other block instead of spanning various locales that aren't just run down urban hellscapes.
 
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Right at the end of that video that dude shows what seems to be a coin-operated bicycle rental stall. Is this shit still around in London?
Every country that tried to adopt coin operated bicycles. Once professionals figured locations of tracking chips and locks all it took was one man with a welding torch to retrofit and steal public use bicycles that people did not bother to return in the first place anyway. They end up in storm drain ditch or vandalized
This isn't the 1920s where rural villages had to share one bicycle with every man in the village that shit isn't practical in low trust urban metropolises with population of a small developing country.
People who preach shared transportation will drive self owned fossil fueled compact cars, hypocrites.
 
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People who preach shared transportation will drive self owned fossil fueled compact cars, hypocrites.
Already kinda pointed this out in my rambly ass post but it bugs the fuck out of me how their solution is never something simple like "add/fix sidewalks and make it legal to use scooters and bikes on them". No their solution is carving out a huge barely used bike lane on roads and paving over some roads turning shit into almost a colossal mall instead of a town structure wise, but ALSO "we totally need to get rid of cars and only use buses and/or trains!" Legit the most logical solution to transport issues is to just add more options, not take them away. People have understood this for fucking millenia and it's how we got so many transport options in the modern day to begin with.
 
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Already kinda pointed this out in my rambly ass post but it bugs the fuck out of me how their solution is never something simple like "add/fix sidewalks and make it legal to use scooters and bikes on them".
Using scooters and bikes on sidewalks is actually unsafe, by the stats, because every time they exit onto the roadway, they're at a much higher risk of getting plowed into by a car.

Scooters and bikes are genuinely road vehicles, not just slightly faster pedestrian enhancements. For visibility reasons, they belong on the streets. Just not all streets.

Like not all road vehicles are the same. Highways and rural roads aren't appropriate places for bikes and scooters and that's OK. Despite what urbanists say, that isn't a problem that needs to be solved.

Or the solution can simply be "find some other method of transportation".
No their solution is carving out a huge barely used bike lane on roads and paving over some roads turning shit into almost a colossal mall instead of a town structure wise, but ALSO "we totally need to get rid of cars and only use buses and/or trains!"
Some bike lanes get used. Many of them don't though. And that's because urbanists see them solely as a cranky political statement, and not what they actually are, an (one of many) engineering solution to a problem.
 
Using scooters and bikes on sidewalks is actually unsafe, by the stats, because every time they exit onto the roadway, they're at a much higher risk of getting plowed into by a car.
Tell that to the fuckers who set up bike lanes that keep cutting off every block midway through so the bike has to veer into the road lmao. Still I agree with the rest of the stuff. Usually a bike or scooter bumping into something or someone on a sidewalk is gonna do a lot less damage than it hitting a car when having to veer into the road from a bike lane IMO which is why I brought that up as a potential thing,
 
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Using scooters and bikes on sidewalks is actually unsafe, by the stats, because every time they exit onto the roadway, they're at a much higher risk of getting plowed into by a car.

Scooters and bikes are genuinely road vehicles, not just slightly faster pedestrian enhancements. For visibility reasons, they belong on the streets. Just not all streets.

Like not all road vehicles are the same. Highways and rural roads aren't appropriate places for bikes and scooters and that's OK. Despite what urbanists say, that isn't a problem that needs to be solved.

There's a certain spatial awareness required for some roads/streets than others. The problem is that urbanists think that motorists should have these restrictions, but cyclists shouldn't. Urbanists gush over concepts like woonerfs which, with their 15 km/hr (10 MPH) speed limits require motorists to be aware of people using the full width of the street.

In comparison, cyclists on highways should be aware of their environment, even when on the shoulder because there's always going to be the occasional turning vehicle, mail trucks, tractors, and so on. Same with rural roads, about being polite and letting faster cars pass.
 
rural roads aren't appropriate places for bikes and scooters
Maybe not scooters but some rural roads are actually much safer for biking considering there is grassy areas along the side of the road with nothing there you can swerve to get out of a cars way. Mountainous roads perhaps not due to lower visibility. But less traffic on rural roads is better for anything slower than a car and not a pedestrian. Maybe I'm biased because the visibility on rural roads in my area is very good.

The main issue bikers face is that the loudest and most anti-car ones are all massive obnoxious faggots that everyone hates. So any time it's brought up people immediately say NO FUCK BIKES IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL TO BIKE. If they weren't such petty assholes seemingly out to purposefully cause road rage then people would be more amenable to considering their stance.
 
The problem is that urbanists think that motorists should have these restrictions, but cyclists shouldn't.
The main issue bikers face is that the loudest and most anti-car ones are all massive obnoxious faggots that everyone hates. So any time it's brought up people immediately say NO FUCK BIKES IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL TO BIKE. If they weren't such petty assholes seemingly out to purposefully cause road rage then people would be more amenable to considering their stance.
I see cyclists violating road laws constantly and it's really fucking annoying. And it's especially annoying when you can tell it's obviously some urbanist faggot. Like if it was some random mexican or ghetto dweller, well, then whatever, it's rude and shitty, but I really doubt they get political and self entitled about it.

But when you see the dudes in full head-to-toe wind resistant bike gear, stupid helmet covered with Hilary 2016 stickers, and they blow through a red light... yeah, it'd be pretty sweet to see them just get blasted by an 18 wheeler sometime.

I don't drive due to epilepsy, so public transit and cycling is important to me. It feel like a lot of these urbanist faggots don't actually rely on public transit or cycling. They're often either wealthy or comfortable enough (or they're basement dwelling redditors without jobs) that they really just indulge in it as a politicized hobby. It's not like they live in the city because they're poor or vulnerable somehow and truly depend on these systems functioning well.

(Or if you have a nice job and want to live in a hip neighborhood in the city because you can afford it and you earned it, well, then good for you. Nothing wrong with that. But at the bare minimum, be a good neighbor. Obey the rules of the road before bitching about carbrains. Living in the hip urban neighborhood might be fun to you, but a few blocks away there's a working class family on food stamps that actually needs to ride the bus to work.)

Like this (literal) fat faggot is exactly the type of person I'm talking about.
 
because they're poor or vulnerable somehow and truly depend on these systems functioning well.
I could imagine the first part about them being poor as the most believable. Though on a lot of their posts the whole reason they claim they boast about wanting it is because they want to do something trivial like play their Nintendo Switch or "eat a burrito".
 
I could imagine the first part about them being poor as the most believable. Though on a lot of their posts the whole reason they claim they boast about wanting it is because they want to do something trivial like play their Nintendo Switch or "eat a burrito".
People consume so much brainrot these days there's thousands of incidents caused by drivers watching youtube/netflix videos now, it's logically far safer to just put them in a train or something if they can't be responsible enough to have their eyes off a screen for 5 minutes.
 
I could imagine the first part about them being poor as the most believable. Though on a lot of their posts the whole reason they claim they boast about wanting it is because they want to do something trivial like play their Nintendo Switch or "eat a burrito".

People consume so much brainrot these days there's thousands of incidents caused by drivers watching youtube/netflix videos now, it's logically far safer to just put them in a train or something if they can't be responsible enough to have their eyes off a screen for 5 minutes.

That urbanists or fuck-cars people would consider that a strike against car ownership, the need to put the phone, nintendo console, or shitty fast food away while you drive, really says a lot about them, doesn't it?
 
People consume so much brainrot these days there's thousands of incidents caused by drivers watching youtube/netflix videos now, it's logically far safer to just put them in a train or something if they can't be responsible enough to have their eyes off a screen for 5 minutes.
Oh yeah I agree, I think these guys should ride the bus, while other people drive. It would be best for everyone.

That urbanists or fuck-cars people would consider that a strike against car ownership, the need to put the phone, nintendo console, or shitty fast food away while you drive, really says a lot about them, doesn't it?
I think someone brought up this point before in this thread as well, but technically you need more focused and engaged while riding a bike which the urbanists conveniently ignore for some reason. One could argue while it's dangerous for a driver to do other things while driving, it would be even more dangerous on a bike.
 
I think someone brought up this point before in this thread as well, but technically you need more focused and engaged while riding a bike which the urbanists conveniently ignore for some reason. One could argue while it's dangerous for a driver to do other things while driving, it would be even more dangerous on a bike.

It's not "conveniently ignored", their defense is that it's not their problem, that cycling should be safe and perfectly fine, even if they act like idiots.

There are other aspects of urbanisms that are ignored (suburban multi-family exists and has always done so; but noooo, you have to destroy neighborhoods instead) but cycling stuff like isn't one of them.
 
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