Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[DJ Grelle]

Does the stipulation of "no witnesses" make the attempted witness tampering irrelevant or does the stipulation not count for that crime?

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

Dear Diary:

Nothing happened in this case recently. Nothing ever happens.

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[Bogliacci]

Does the stipulation of "no witnesses" make the attempted witness tampering irrelevant or does the stipulation not count for that crime?

We're deep in the territory of "who fucking knows"

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Does the stipulation of "no witnesses" make the attempted witness tampering irrelevant or does the stipulation not count for that crime?

Honestly it probably moots that specific harm to Defendants but it multiplies the harm to the dignity of the Court.

Which at some point someone might start thinking about defending.

 

[BoomerPrime]

Honestly it probably moots that specific harm to Defendants but it multiplies the harm to the dignity of the Court.

Which at some point someone might start thinking about defending.

Does it though? It still took Hardin tons of billable hours to deal with Shit Lips' retardation to get to the point of the stipulation when the proper path was to meet and confer, which Russ never did.

 

[Dyn]

An obvious and easy fix would be to make the loser pay the other side's costs. Some of these boneheaded pro se cunts might be a little bit less litigious if they knew that the outcome was likely to be a lien on their paycheque for the rest of eternity.

That might be great for deterring loophole-abusing nuisance filers like Russell Greer, but then it would also have to apply to the working class family trying to sue a huge corporation for negligently cutting off daddy's legs at work or whatever. Civil justice is already a pay-to-win system, punishing people with total and permanent financial ruin for not having a stable of high-priced lawyers isn't the way to go.

 

[mindlessobserver]

let's say Hardin gets the Judge to award them like $3K in fees for the last couple weeks of fuckery.

I guarantee it's way more then that. Keep in mind it's not just the time spent dicking around. There was also issuing the Subpoenas. Arranging rental space, stenography and travel to carry out the depositions. Then there is retracting the Subpoena. Then there is going to court to inform them Plaintiff is a belligerent retard. Then there is the stipulation agreement. Then there is the needless back and forth in emails.

I would not be shocked at all if Greers fucking around since Discovery commenced has cost Null over $20,000 at this point. Hardin working at cut rate maybe has knocked that down to $12,000. But it's definitely cost 5 figures by now.

 

[UncleTusky]

The thing is, he has already made it clear that he would LOVE to settle:

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But as Hardin has ever-so-politely pointed out, we are well past that point:
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He would LOVE to settle...... in the form of Null banning any and all discussion of him from the site in perpetuity. He even wanted Dear Feeder to implement a script that would remove any mention to him, including euphemisms and nicknames, in real time.

 

[Napoleon III]

That might be great for deterring loophole-abusing nuisance filers like Russell Greer, but then it would also have to apply to the working class family trying to sue a huge corporation for negligently cutting off daddy's legs at work or whatever. Civil justice is already a pay-to-win system, punishing people with total and permanent financial ruin for not having a stable of high-priced lawyers isn't the way to go.

From an administrative perspective it is actually a very hard problem to solve in a lot of ways. Probably some of the Pro-Se legal fuckery could be solved by simply forcing people to pay filing fees. But not all of it.

The legal system is a very complex beast and attempting to reform it is quite difficult and any change could potentially make it worse. And there are a lot of "people" (lawyers) who benefit from the system being broken.

 

[The Reluctant Sneeder]

That might be great for deterring loophole-abusing nuisance filers like Russell Greer, but then it would also have to apply to the working class family trying to sue a huge corporation for negligently cutting off daddy's legs at work or whatever.

absolutely. while it would stop these faggots like greer, it would also act as a deterrent to anyone who would have a legit cause, such as being screwed over by an insurance company. even if you have a good case, you might still think twice about it if you know that if you lose, you will have to pay thousands, even tens of thousands in lawyer fees to the insurance company. there is no guarantee that you will win the lawsuit, so i think making the loser pay is a bad idea in a lot of cases.


just off the top of my head, i think a compromise could be to just ban pro-se lawsuits. they are way over abused by faggots like greer and acerthorn, and no sane person would go pro-se in a legit lawsuit such as the example of going after an insurance company. maybe you guys can think of reasons this is dumb, but i think it would be a net positive.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Small claims court covers much of what pro se “exists” for, and you could still permit pro se defenses. But the biggest thing would be to more easily declare faggots as vexatious.

 

[Dyn]

i think a compromise could be to just ban pro-se lawsuits. maybe you guys can think of reasons this is dumb

The right to petition grievances is considered a fundamental human right under US and Westminster law. Paywalling a fundamental human right is not generally considered to be acceptable.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

The right to petition grievances is considered a fundamental human right under US and Westminster law. Paywalling a fundamental human right is not generally considered to be acceptable.

This is the same argument Greer uses to argue that all women should be forced to suck him his penis, as it were. Gatekeeping whores charging ain’t fair, man!

 

[Dyn]

This is the same argument Greer uses to argue that all women should be forced to suck him his penis, as it were. Gatekeeping whores charging ain’t fair, man!

Getting your dick sucked by a prostitute is not typically considered to be a fundamental human right.

 

[Dizzyuntildeath]

Getting your dick sucked by a prostitute is not typically considered to be a fundamental human right.

*Russell Greer did not like that

 

[mindlessobserver]

Banning Pro-Se litigation would certainly be unconstitutional. However I do agree that it should be easier for someone to be declared Vexatious.

 

[FamicomGorby]

Maybe judges should be able to apply some sort of "how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast today" test to pro se litigants to weed out retards.

 

[ScooterL]

> undug

 

[Ed Craven]

The right to petition grievances is considered a fundamental human right under US and Westminster law. Paywalling a fundamental human right is not generally considered to be acceptable.

Don’t want to be splitting hairs here but “pro se” is when the plaintiff represents himself. It is “in forma pauperis” which waives him from having to pay the filing fees. The two just go hand in hand because as it happens the type of idiot that has the time and hubris to represent himself in a lawsuit also tends to not have meaningful employment.

 

[Swole McPole]

That might be great for deterring loophole-abusing nuisance filers like Russell Greer, but then it would also have to apply to the working class family trying to sue a huge corporation for negligently cutting off daddy's legs at work or whatever.

It's the system we have here and it works fine. If you've got a winnable case (as assessed by experienced lawyers at over 50% chance) then insurers will underwrite the costs of litigation and take their costs out of the winnings.

If you don't have a winnable case, you're just wasting everyone's time and money anyway.

I don't think it's significantly different to how a poor family mounts a case against a big corporation in the USA, but the big corporation is much less likely to try and drag things out for year after year when the bill for the other side's legal costs are keep ticking up. If they're in the wrong, they've got a financial interest in settling fast.