Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

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When will the Judge issue a ruling regarding the Motion to Dismiss?

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I'd imagine most lawfags here have experienced the glory of "document review." Discovery between megacorporations having a tard fight often involve things like dozens of requests for production, each of which require reviewing literally millions of documents depending on the size of the corporations and the scope of the dispute. These can't be done by laypeople, since it constitutes the "practice of law," so every single person of the dozens of people doing it has to be an actual licensed attorney (I think this has been slightly relaxed).
I never did document review like that (just went straight to shingle-hanging because no-one was hiring when I graduated/passed the bar), but I recall hearing stories about malicious compliance in production, like having delivery trucks show up unannounced and wheeling in rooms' worth of bankers boxes filled with deliberately mixed-up out-of-order papers that were largely irrelevant to the case.
 
Civil justice is already a pay-to-win system, punishing people with total and permanent financial ruin for not having a stable of high-priced lawyers isn't the way to go.
"Loser pays" is generally called the "European rule" although it applies in Commonwealth countries as well, while both sides paying their own legal fees is the "American rule." There are differences in both countries, since the American rule basically would result in a financial death penalty to anyone who lost against Microsoft, not because their claim was invalid, but because they dared to sue a titanic monster that can spend the GDP of a small country defending a suit and engage in all the shitfiling imaginable until the other side just runs out of money.

In both kinds of country, though, there are usually exceptions, like § 1983 civil rights suits, copyright suits, anti-SLAPP actions in the U.S., where the state has an actual policy of encouraging such actions.

Incidentally, another exception is discovery disputes, where it is virtually automatic for the idiot who forced a judge to handle the dispute instead of acting like an adult gets slapped with the other side's fees. This can be incredibly punitive, and it's possible to "win" your lawsuit but because you fucked around with discovery shenanigans, your ultimate win is entirely wiped out or even exceeded by sanctions.

I'm not sure how it works under TardLaw in Utah, though, since that's what this judge seems to be practicing.
I don't think it's significantly different to how a poor family mounts a case against a big corporation in the USA, but the big corporation is much less likely to try and drag things out for year after year when the bill for the other side's legal costs are keep ticking up. If they're in the wrong, they've got a financial interest in settling fast.
And unfortunately this isn't a deterrent that exists for disgruntled mental cases like Russhole. He views himself as having nothing to lose, and appears to be closer to that state than he was when he was forced to pay Skordas.

That's why most of these schizo vexatious litigants are, in fact, retards like Russ. People of normal intelligence have better things to do than constantly file frivolous lawsuits, and they also have something to lose.

Russ, as a dead loss of a completely worthless sex pervert creep, has nothing to lose.
It's the system we have here and it works fine.
Incidentally, while I prefer our rule to Europe's, I think it's a stretch to say it works "fine." I'd leave it at "works." Sort of.
 
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I recall hearing stories about malicious compliance in production, like having delivery trucks show up unannounced and wheeling in rooms' worth of bankers boxes filled with deliberately mixed-up out-of-order papers that were largely irrelevant to the case.

I would say don't give Greer any ideas, but he already said he deleted everything, so.
 
I never did document review like that (just went straight to shingle-hanging because no-one was hiring when I graduated/passed the bar), but I recall hearing stories about malicious compliance in production, like having delivery trucks show up unannounced and wheeling in rooms' worth of bankers boxes filled with deliberately mixed-up out-of-order papers that were largely irrelevant to the case.
I managed to avoid most of that shit as well, at least the boiler room type bullshit, but I've heard tons of horror stories. I've done that type of stuff, but at home, when it wasn't usual to be allowed to do that, and not on an hourly basis but by volume. I had sufficient autism to do huge volume without doing those miserable 70 hour weeks I heard of.

And yes, the phrase I've heard for that kind of practice is "dump truck discovery." I believe that's mostly been cracked down on, at least in terms of deliberately turning over data in useless formats, although broadly interpreting discovery requests and delivering a bunch of nonsense that technically qualifies is still a thing.

This can backfire because it is not unknown for the dump truck discovery response to include numerous smoking guns that they weren't planning on but later become relevant.

To some extent, that kind of response to discovery is sometimes (imo) justified when the other party deliberately issued ludicrous and burdensome and vastly overbroad discovery requests, just to fuck them back.
 
I'm very surprised that Hardin never brought the following post of Russell's to the judges attention, where he flat out states that the point of the suit is to bankrupt Null:

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This is precisely why he got so mad when Null did a successful crowdfund. He's been whining to the judge about it ever since, especially about the cartoon caricature used.
 
Russ, in his totally grown-up legal-jitsu lawyerin' emails, addresses Hardin as "Matthew"
Or "Buddy Boy".

just eight more months guys and it'll all be over
Discovery will be over, that is. The next phases can then get underway.

Oh, to be a fly in on the wall of the police station as they explain to the drooling, wailing retard
Until I see a credible police report, I won't believe this happened. Russell lies like the rest of us breathe.

Russ does everything on his mobile device, as his only device.
Unless he's sold it to pay for fellatio, we know he owns a laptop. He used to put it front-and-center of his videos.
 
On information and belief (with evidence to be provided to Mr. Hardin), Russell Greer lied about the welfare check his parents supposedly called on him.
With permission from Mr. Hardin, I am reposting this here:
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Guys, guys, relax! This isn't 8 months of extension, this is 8 more months of shitlips filing everything under the red sun and pale moon! Which, yes, financially a problem for dear Feeder, but just think of how absolutely fucking deranged he's going to get as this all drags on and on and on and he is forced to admit by degrees that he has fuck all to submit for discovery!
 
With permission from Mr. Hardin, I am reposting this here:
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Is it certain that the two addresses provided were the only ones that could have been utilized for this purpose? Is it not possible to perform such a search for a person's name without also providing a specific address?

Also, why only a date range of January first to December first, instead of December 31st (since his claim was that it occurred "in 2022")? Little oversights/imprecisions like this (and Hardin's typos) bug me because I am anal and pedantic and Null is presumably paying for it.
 
If the judge isn't going to do anything with his courthouse for 8 more fucking months I don't see why we don't deconstruct it for firewood and designate the real estate as a shitting zone for Musk and Vivek's imported 'jeets. It'd be a far more valuable use of everybody's time.
 
Guys, guys, relax! This isn't 8 months of extension, this is 8 more months of shitlips filing everything under the red sun and pale moon! Which, yes, financially a problem for dear Feeder, but just think of how absolutely fucking deranged he's going to get as this all drags on and on and on and he is forced to admit by degrees that he has fuck all to submit for discovery!
Did you miss Russ stipulating he had no witnesses at all and objecting outright to a simple request for production? I think 'degrees' is a little late, he's literally driven his case off a cliff and thinks shouting "I never studied law" at the judge will keep gravity from dragging him down. I mean he's literally living out this cartoon to see if it works.

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Is it not possible to perform such a search for a person's name without also providing a specific address?
In this case no, because Russ wasn't the caller, so his name would be in the CAD notes, which are not searched. You can search CAD (Computer Assisted Dispatch) by address, caller's name, caller's phone number, and the type of call it is (vehicle accident, suspicious person, fight, residential fire, etc.), but stuff like the name or physical description of the person you're looking for would be in the notes. Unless Russ was actually listed as a missing person, which is unlikely considering he's an adult of sound mind (I know, I know, I mean from a legal standpoint), a search of his name would only show if he called PD/911 during the period searched. I presume that's why she specified that "a search of both addresses" turned up nothing, since that's the relevant information she had. So if he really wants to press it, he can give the dispatcher the names and phone numbers of Russ's parents since they are the ones who allegedly called this welfare check. She did specifically say they're open to further information from him, and assuming their CAD works similar to the one at the PD I was at, that would be the only other information that might get a hit. Edit: Per @Useful_Mistake's post below, he already gave them that info, so it's not looking good for Russ. Really, the addresses are all that matter anyway, and that's probably the actual reason the dispatcher mentioned them specifically, not what I said above. The police don't go anywhere without an address being input into CAD.
 
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Is it certain that the two addresses provided were the only ones that could have been utilized for this purpose?
I provided every address that could have been the subject of that welfare check, as well as all information I had regarding any party that may have made those calls (namely, as Russ claims, his parents)
Also, why only a date range of January first to December first, instead of December 31st (since his claim was that it occurred "in 2022")? Little oversights/imprecisions like this (and Hardin's typos) bug me because I am anal and pedantic and Null is presumably paying for it.
I am not charging Null for my independent work.

As it relates to your other question, I am double checking on that to be sure. Thanks.
 
Also, why only a date range of January first to December first, instead of December 31st (since his claim was that it occurred "in 2022")? Little oversights/imprecisions like this (and Hardin's typos) bug me because I am anal and pedantic and Null is presumably paying for it.
As it relates to your other question, I am double checking on that to be sure. Thanks.
They reviewed December fully per my request and there is still nothing
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