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[Sleazy Car Salesman]

It also depends on what kind of brush you're shooting through as well as the alignments of the moon and stars and the humors of the wind. Wood is in no way a consistent medium nor is any other similar organic material.

When it comes to "brushbusters" I've always just found it to be angels dancing on the head of a pin.

 

[Foley]

It also depends on what kind of brush you're shooting through as well as the alignments of the moon and stars and the humors of the wind. Wood is in no way a consistent medium nor is any other similar organic material.

When it comes to "brushbusters" I've always just found it to be angels dancing on the head of a pin.

The old cope with Finnish fudds is that we are still using 7.62x39 because it works better than 5.56/5.45 in our forest terrain (because none of our neighbours have forests apparently).

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

The old cope with Finnish fudds is that we are still using 7.62x39 because it works better than 5.56/5.45 in our forest terrain (because none of our neighbours have forests apparently).

That is generally true that a 7.62x39 will have better barrier penetration and will carry more energy through the barrier than a 5.56x45 will (just based on fucking around I've done and other tests I've seen people do) but the issue is that there's no accuracy in it. The bullet will always deflect.

 

[Foley]

That is generally true that a 7.62x39 will have better barrier penetration and will carry more energy through the barrier than a 5.56x45 will (just based on fucking around I've done and other tests I've seen people do) but the issue is that there's no accuracy in it. The bullet will always deflect.

And then you add all the other downsides to it. Like I said it's a cope, partially enforced by the Defence Forces because obviously they are not going to admit that we are using this shitty caliber because of economics. Thankfully, we are finally going to switch to 5.56 in the upcoming years. Well, not totally, 7.62x39 will stay in service but the first line troops will get a SAKO manufactured AR and caliber should be 5.56

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

And then you add all the other downsides to it. Like I said it's a cope, partially enforced by the Defence Forces because obviously they are not going to admit that we are using this shitty caliber because of economics. Thankfully, we are finally going to switch to 5.56 in the upcoming years. Well, not totally, 7.62x39 will stay in service but the first line troops will get a SAKO manufactured AR and caliber should be 5.56

The x39 is NOT a shitty cartridge. It's more accurate than the AK itself out to about 300 yards and with a rifle like an SKS or a bolt action the round can be accurate out to 400 yards 2ith a relatively competent shooter (No I will not convert to metric for you). The x39 has plenty of power, it's taper assists greatly in cartridge extraction particularly in a dirty chamber or cold weather, the round is a good weight and so many can be carried ergonomically and magazines are not overly tall for their capacity even with the pronounced curve the round necessitates. The projectile is fairly square (it's diameter and length are fairly similar) which assists in yawing after penetration despite its weight and sectional density making for a round that should carry straight through most soft targets.

 

[Foley]

The x39 is NOT a shitty cartridge. It's more accurate than the AK itself out to about 300 yards and with a rifle like an SKS or a bolt action the round can be accurate out to 400 yards 2ith a relatively competent shooter (No I will not convert to metric for you). The x39 has plenty of power, it's taper assists greatly in cartridge extraction particularly in a dirty chamber or cold weather, the round is a good weight and so many can be carried ergonomically and magazines are not overly tall for their capacity even with the pronounced curve the round necessitates. The projectile is fairly square (it's diameter and length are fairly similar) which assists in yawing after penetration despite its weight and sectional density making for a round that should carry straight through most soft targets.

It literally has no advantage as an infantry cartridge over 5.56 or 5.45, other than maybe barrier penetration. And it loses that advantage in being a poorer steel penetrator. It's heavier, has a worse trajectory, heavier recoil, taper makes the magazines curvier... There's a good reason it has been phased out by anyone who has afforded to upgrade to 5.56/5.45

When I say it's a shitty cartridge, I'm comparing it to 5.56 or 5.45. It's not a useless cartridge, still does its job and I'd much rather have an AK with 7.62x39 than any of the 7.62 NATO battle rifles out there. Frankly, I'd take that AK over the new M5 rifle in its abomination of a caliber.

 

[crab fucker]

If you mean that shooting through brush effectiveness of a round isn't really able to be reliably tested I would agree but the anecdotes of a rounds effectiveness in the brush are I think worth considering at least.

I really like 7.62x39 also, but as far as the average infantryman is concerned 5.45 would be superior in most scenarios. If it was up to me and my retarded prepper brain though I'd rather have the 7.62x39 in some retarded SKS configuration.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

When I say it's a shitty cartridge, I'm comparing it to 5.56 or 5.45. It's not a useless cartridge, still does its job and I'd much rather have an AK with 7.62x39 than any of the 7.62 NATO battle rifles out there. Frankly, I'd take that AK over the new M5 rifle in its abomination of a caliber.

Perfectly fair, sorry for jumping down your throat like I did.

 

[InnocentKitten]

The old cope with Finnish fudds is that we are still using 7.62x39 because it works better than 5.56/5.45 in our forest terrain (because none of our neighbours have forests apparently).

of course, its because it gets deflected ~30% less then 5.45/5.56 is completely the reason why the FDF uses 7.62x39, and not because finland is a poor country that chose to spend its limited budget on other things like tanks, planes instead of upgrading a 'good enough' rifle... its autistic enough to know a detail, but too autistic to realise that detail means very little in real world conditions.. very relevant to the military equipment sperging thread

 

[Foley]

of course, its because it gets deflected ~30% less then 5.45/5.56 is completely the reason why the FDF uses 7.62x39, and not because finland is a poor country that chose to spend its limited budget on other things like tanks, planes instead of upgrading a 'good enough' rifle... its autistic enough to know a detail, but too autistic to realise that detail means very little in real world conditions.. very relevant to the military equipment sperging thread

Finland was looking to switch over to 5.56 already in the 80s/90s, when the RK-95 was going through development. It was seen as a better cartridge than 7.62x39. It was rejected at the time because of logistical/economic reasons. In those days, we still didn't even have a 7.62x39 assault rifle to issue to everybody in wartime troops. Some rear line troops in non combat roles would've been deployed with Mosins and KP31 SMGs.

Now, we are finally entering the phase where a large portion of those ammunition stockpiles are expiring (yes, ammo has an expiration date), and the rifles are also going to need to be replaced. So going to 5.56 and an AR-15 platform is the obvious choice. The upgrade isn't done because the AK platform and 7.62x39 is that much worse than 5.56 ARs, but because it makes economic sense.

The truly big changes in Finnish equipment are the upgrade from 64 F/A-18 hornets to F-35A, and 4 new ships for the navy. That's the stuff that matters in combat.

 

[Fount of BadSpeak]

I was gonna get angry at Foley, but honestly he makes a valid point. 7.62x39 is a fantastic mid distance cartridge for civilian, security, and special use cases, but when you're shooting 10,000 rounds to kill one guy that's 650 yards away, you want a lighter, smaller cartridge so you can carry more ammo. Pound for pound, 7.62x39 is better, but that doesn't matter much unless you actually hit them lol. Still, I personally prefer it as a civilian and think it's a fantastic intermediate cartridge for hunting, wildlife, and defense, even if 5.56 would do fine for all of those as an alternative.

To me, it's kind of like 45 ACP versus 9mm. Pound for pound, 45 ACP is better, but 9mm beat it out because it's a holistic improvement that is good enough for what you need, with a lot more capacity to top it off. And at this point, I think economy of scale alone makes both 5.56 and 9mm good overall options for anyone.

Now, we are finally entering the phase where a large portion of those ammunition stockpiles are expiring (yes, ammo has an expiration date),

Isn't ammo generally pretty reliable so long as it was stored well? I have shot quite a bit of WW2 ammo that fired fine and had good velocity. I get that the military is hedging its bets, but wouldn't the ammo work fine anyways? Hell, I would buy a few cases if they let me.

The truly big changes in Finnish equipment are the upgrade from 64 F/A-18 hornets to F-35A, and 4 new ships for the navy. That's the stuff that matters in combat.

Well, boots on the ground still matters too or all of this discussion wouldn't matter lol. Can't always turn 10 million into noise, shrapnel, and heat just for a few russkie conscripts when 500 euros in bullets would do just fine.

 

[Foley]

Isn't ammo generally pretty reliable so long as it was stored well? I have shot quite a bit of WW2 ammo that fired fine and had good velocity. I get that the military is hedging its bets, but wouldn't the ammo work fine anyways? Hell, I would buy a few cases if they let me.

Obviously yes, that ammo could probably work for a long time. But the military doesn't want ammo that might not go bang, even if that's just 0.1% of the ammo. The vast majority of that ammo is East German surpluss and domestic Lapua, but there is a timestamp for it.

Well, boots on the ground still matters too or all of this discussion wouldn't matter lol. Can't always turn 10 million into noise, shrapnel, and heat just for a few russkie conscripts when 500 euros in bullets would do just fine.

Yes, and this is why infantry equipment is getting upgraded. But it's still in the latter part of the queue, and even with infantry equipment it's more important to add stuff like night vision capabilities before upgrading the small arms. Like I said, we are finally starting the process of upgrading our guns and caliber because we have to for logistical reasons, not because the AK and 7.62x39 is ineffective.

 

[Jonkler]

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Age: 41
Current Address: 3447 Harlan St, Wheat Ridge, CO 80033-7421 (Sep 2005 - Nov 2024)
Phone Number: (480) 335-5849 - Wireless
Personal Email: ianm07@gmail.com
Previous Addresses:
510 W Spring Valley Dr, Tucson, AZ 85704-6752 (Jan 2019 - Dec 2022)
510 W Spring Valley Dr, Oro Valley, AZ 85704-6752 (Feb 2019 - Apr 2024)
2074 E Calle Arroyo Lindo, Tucson, AZ 85706-5267 (Mar 2013 - Aug 2017)

Owns this Po Box: 6281 N Oracle Suite 36270, Tucson, AZ 85704

Previously owned this Po Box: Po Box 1613, Saint Johns, AZ 85936-1613 (May 2004 - Jan 2011)
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Wow, random dox with no new deets and you couldn't even find his middle name. Great.

 

[quaawaa]

Wow, random dox with no new deets and you couldn't even find his middle name. Great.

It’s also a faildox; Ian doesn’t live in Colorado.

 

[Archie_Kimkicker]

It’s also a faildox; Ian doesn’t live in Colorado.

Was about to say...there's no way mr off-the-grid would live in a low-deadly niggertown.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Isn't ammo generally pretty reliable so long as it was stored well? I have shot quite a bit of WW2 ammo that fired fine and had good velocity. I get that the military is hedging its bets, but wouldn't the ammo work fine anyways? Hell, I would buy a few cases if they let me

I mean it's stored in Finland. A cold place with lots of wet snow. It'll last a while, but eventually you need to cycle through that shit

I was gonna get angry at Foley, but honestly he makes a valid point. 7.62x39 is a fantastic mid distance cartridge for civilian, security, and special use cases, but when you're shooting 10,000 rounds to kill one guy that's 650 yards away, you want a lighter, smaller cartridge so you can carry more ammo. Pound for pound, 7.62x39 is better, but that doesn't matter much unless you actually hit them lol. Still, I personally prefer it as a civilian and think it's a fantastic intermediate cartridge for hunting, wildlife, and defense, even if 5.56 would do fine for all of those as an alternative.

To me, it's kind of like 45 ACP versus 9mm. Pound for pound, 45 ACP is better, but 9mm beat it out because it's a holistic improvement that is good enough for what you need, with a lot more capacity to top it off. And at this point, I think economy of scale alone makes both 5.56 and 9mm good overall options for anyone

7.62x39mm is a fun round, good for areas with barriers like wood and sheetrock. Yes the brush thing is debatable, I'll still argue it's better than 5.56 in that regard. As much as I love it, and I do *kisses SKS* it has almost no AP capability even with AP rounds. It's slow and fat. Which is good for stability, though not in the poking holes through armor plate department.

 

[Fount of BadSpeak]

Our favorite degenerate Satanist made a virtue signal video about how much he wants fags, traitors, and foreigners armed at all costs. He claims that unless you vocally support him and his narrative, you apparently don't "really" believe in the Second Amendment; seems like more of the "silence is violence" type rhetoric his kind eats up with a spoon. Serious question: are there any groups of citizens in America that are being uniquely denied the right to bear arms? Genuinely curious who is supposedly not being allowed to arm up because whitey doesn't like them.

 

[crab fucker]

Our favorite degenerate Satanist made a virtue signal video about how much he wants fags, traitors, and foreigners armed at all costs. He claims that unless you vocally support him and his narrative, you apparently don't "really" believe in the Second Amendment; seems like more of the "silence is violence" type rhetoric his kind eats up with a spoon. Serious question: are there any groups of citizens in America that are being uniquely denied the right to bear arms? Genuinely curious who is supposedly not being allowed to arm up because whitey doesn't like them.

Legit, what is wrong with this faggot? I know he's a brain-damaged cucked satanic retard, but come on! No one in the 2A community really cares if fags, trannies, and illegal aliens have guns, they just don't care enough to baby them and help them do it. Why the fuck would I want to personally assist some leftist tranny in getting their grubby hands on an AR when I know what they really want is to disarm me? They'll fucking say this shit publicly and brag that they're forming some gay leftie militia for when the civil war happens, and I'm supposed to help them do that? Gun ownership and the second amendment is inherently a right-wing interest/hobby, I'm not going to roll out the carpet for some freak walking into the gun store in a furry t-shirt Karl!

He's just mad that these dissidents aren't being welcomed into the community with open arms, but he himself is exactly as intolerant as he pretends everyone else is. You cannot just expect an insular community to completely change their values and open their arms to people who's primary motive is to infiltrate and decay the community from the inside, that expectation itself is intolerant of the community you are trying to enter.

 

[Mikoyan]

Legit, what is wrong with this faggot? I know he's a brain-damaged cucked satanic retard, but come on! No one in the 2A community really cares if fags, trannies, and illegal aliens have guns, they just don't care enough to baby them and help them do it. Why the fuck would I want to personally assist some leftist tranny in getting their grubby hands on an AR when I know what they really want is to disarm me? They'll fucking say this shit publicly and brag that they're forming some gay leftie militia for when the civil war happens, and I'm supposed to help them do that? Gun ownership and the second amendment is inherently a right-wing interest/hobby, I'm not going to roll out the carpet for some freak walking into the gun store in a furry t-shirt Karl!

He's just mad that these dissidents aren't being welcomed into the community with open arms, but he himself is exactly as intolerant as he pretends everyone else is. You cannot just expect an insular community to completely change their values and open their arms to people who's primary motive is to infiltrate and decay the community from the inside, that expectation itself is intolerant of the community you are trying to enter.

I keep saying it: It's classic tolerance takeover, same as they've done to every nerd hobby. Unless you're performative woke you will be made unwelcome eventually. You must say trans rights or you will be shunned, you just shoehorn it in by 'being reasonable'.