US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

AI is a tool that works with binary application. It does what it's programmed to do. It needs human oversight to correct any mistakes it would make.

I see what you didn't get it there

 

[SpergioLeonne]

Do you mean in simulations, or in actual engagements? If the latter, I would really like a source on that.

I’m not privy to military secrets, but I’m pretty sure we’re talking about simulation.

The thing is, simulation is kind to humans because the blood doesn’t get sucked out of their brains from turning

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

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I can't wait until Germany has another schizophrenic break and overruns the continent again.

 

[northstar747]

The whole "we don't want our AI to say anything offensive" thing really limits what these things can do because sometimes it thinks you're asking an unsafe question and shuts down, even when you're not.

So with the weird trump tower telsa fire bomb.

I went to chat gpt to clairfy my 20 plus year old red neck chemistry lesson.

I primed it saying I wanted to talk about fireworks,

I asked it to confirm what I remembered about "flash powder"

Then I got it to clairfy the difference between a pyrotechnic and explosive

One burns, the other detonates, and even got the differnce in energry between the two.

I wanted to ask about the chemistry involved in the oklahoma city bombing but thought better of it

I m sure asking it how to make a bomb woulda be a no go

 

[Betonhaus]

Well I mean, that’s a possible factor. But also, we as the general public only actually get to see intentionally retarded AI.

But just think of how useless so many people out there with six figure incomes are. Like bro, I don’t think AI can engineer shit from scratch, but I’m pretty sure all the dead weight, like the 90% of Twitter employees musk got rid of, are walking dead.

And I say good, because the west flat out consumes more than it produces, and the remedy to that is to produce more and tell Asia to fuck off

AI has a very hard time understanding context. It's basically a really autistic man who works insanely fast, but only understands if-then logic

Sounds like it will do a really good job of replacing middle management and even CEOs, and they are often the ones that have a hard time understanding the deeper context of their companies' operations.

 

[verissimus]

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https://x.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1874913413077561444

So much for Obama's "legacy".

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

I'm not trying to argue in favor of daddy government here, but there is a single shred of proof: GPS. That is operated and maintained by the Department of Defense.

Right to be clear I’m not a free market sperg. The original claim is that government does ALL ELSE better than the free market

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Oh cool a euro fag let’s see how long your daddy government and its services last when free market america cuts off your defense and stops subsidizing your socialist fantasy land. You people are always a riot not realizing your supposed superior utopia only exists because of the things and countries you sneer at waste inordinate amounts of resources propping it up

 

[Internet Wizard]

Oh cool a euro fag let’s see how long your daddy government and its services last when free market america cuts off your defense and stops subsidizing your socialist fantasy land

I'm not actually GEG but I'm in the UK right now and they run things a lot better even with their semi privatized hellscape atm
Why do you lick shlomobuxx boots so hard?

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

I’m not privy to military secrets, but I’m pretty sure we’re talking about simulation.

The thing is, simulation is kind to humans because the blood doesn’t get sucked out of their brains from turning

Trust me when I tell you that human pilots are not going to be replaced by AI any time soon. Combat innately deals with human actors and human actors thwart AI input easily, which does not understand human behavior. It can only understand a set of if-then functions.

Sounds like it will do a really good job of replacing middle management and even CEOs, and they are often the ones that have a hard time understanding the deeper context of their companies' operations.

If only...

 

[SpergioLeonne]

Trust me when I tell you that human pilots are not going to be replaced by AI any time soon. Combat innately deals with human actors and human actors thwart AI input easily, which does not understand human behavior. It can only understand a set of if-then functions.

Your fighter aircraft is a set of fixed values, in terms of thrust, weight, cross section, armament and maneuverability that are better exploited without a human inside it to limit the speed at which it can maneuver and to introduce vastly slower reaction times.

Gone is Gary Kasparov’s day when we could pretend that a human thinking on his feet could outperform a computerized catalogue of all prior known solutions

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

I'm not actually GEG but I'm in the UK right now and they run things a lot better even with their semi privatized hellscape atm
Why do you lick shlomobuxx boots so hard?

Strange way of saying “thank you daddy america and your robust free market society for spending billions subsidizing our defense so we can have shitty long wait time healthcare. Please don’t cut us off from your free market dollars so we end up like MAID loving Canada killing our elderly and disabled. Our fantasy lala land socialist utopia truly only exists due to your generosity and good will daddy america. Now excuse me paki rape gangs are having a sexual emergency and I don’t want to be arrested for Islamophobia cause I made them wait too long for release!”

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Your fighter aircraft is a set of fixed values, in terms of thrust, weight, cross section, armament and maneuverability that are better exploited without a human inside it to limit the speed at which it can maneuver and to introduce vastly slower reaction times.

Gone is Gary Kasparov’s day when we could pretend that a human thinking on his feet could outperform a computerized catalogue of all prior known solutions

The number of experienced pilots who die because their instruments are technically correct, but not factually correct, is high. You are correct about reaction time, but that's about all AI has over the human mind.

Also, you are correct that a computer does well when dealing with a fixed system (a computerized catalogue of all prior known solutions in a game of chess, which has fixed rules). Combat is not a fixed system.

 

[Internet Wizard]

Strange way of saying “thank you daddy america and your robust free market society for spending billions subsidizing our defense so we can have shitty long wait time healthcare. Please don’t cut us off from your free market dollars so we end up like MAID loving Canada killing our elderly and disabled. Our fantasy lala land socialist utopia truly only exists due to your generosity and good will daddy america”

My medications would cost either $220 USD here (without insurance) or £20 in the UK (abt 25 bucks), I ended up paying $50 in the US
It took less than a week to meet a NHS practice. Farage wants to strip NHS access from visa holders like me, for no other reason than that he's deluded into thinking things are better in the American system
so yes I think they do things better there, even if their Ibuprofun rules are dumb. The fact we spend absurd amounts on "defense" (which the average citizen will see 0 value out of) doesn't mean we can't do things better either

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

My medications would cost either $220 USD here (without insurance) or £20 in the UK (abt 25 bucks)
It took less than a week to meet a NHS practice
so yes I think they do things better there, even if their Ibuprofun rules are dumb. The fact we spend absurd amounts on "defense" (which the average citizen will see 0 value out of) doesn't mean we can't do things better either

Meanwhile, I know a dude in the UK who is still struggling after suffering esophageal cancer because the NHS keeps rescheduling his appointments and making diagnoses without proper examinations. The NHS has some incredible cancer and rare disease research (for which it deserves full credit), and a medical emergency won't potentially bankrupt the average citizen since there is no insurance fuckery, but you're toast if you need routine or follow-up care.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

My medications would cost either $220 USD here (without insurance) or £20 in the UK (abt 25 bucks)
It took less than a week to meet a NHS practice
so yes I think they do things better there, even if their Ibuprofun rules are dumb. The fact we spend absurd amounts on "defense" (which the average citizen will see 0 value out of) doesn't mean we can't do things better either

Excellent then. So there’s no problem when trump pulls out of nato and leaves your country and the rest of the continent to handle things themselves I hope. Please be sure on this I don’t want to hear later whinging from Western Europe about selfish america being big mean isolationists/putin puppets for doing so as you so clearly have everything handled and don’t need our “Jewbux” as you stated above

 

[Internet Wizard]

when trump pulls out of nato

when

 

[SpergioLeonne]

The number of experienced pilots who die because their instruments are technically correct, but not factually correct, is high. You are correct about reaction time, but that's about all AI has over the human mind.

Also, you are correct that a computer does well when dealing with a fixed system (a computerized catalogue of all prior known solutions in a game of chess, which has fixed rules). Combat is not a fixed system.

Everything is a fixed system, it just looks magic because of our limitations. You could control the variables of throwing a cup full of dice and calculate how they’ll all land. Look at the physics engines in standard ass video games these days, and then think how unimportant they are, how off-handed they’re just tossed into games for flavor.

You don’t even need to build a whole ass database of every conceivable configuration two aircraft could find themselves in. You just plug in variables and it doesn’t even require AI to beat humans.

Ever see any videos of “tool assisted speedruns”? It’s a visual, if not all-encompassing, demonstration of the difference between us and machines.

Your argument that humans are better comes down to humanity existing as a redundancy in case of faulty instruments. We ourselves are the least reliable instrument on board, because an 8 g turn is enough to put us out, and we need maintenance every single day whether we fly or not.

And at the end of the day, considering that a fucking calculator is going to beat your pants off 10/10 times in solving for x, it kinda goes to figure that the most advanced form of computer is going to win at solving physics problems, which is what shooting is. Back in world war 2, gunners had to manually solve for firing solutions and it was the biggest bottleneck in naval combat. Early sci fi guys like Heinlein didn’t even envision the technology we currently have in terms of its ability to solve firing equations.

As a cnc machinist, I have some familiarity with how some of this shit works.

Also here’s the article, it wasn’t a simulation

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2024/04/19/us-air-force-stages-dogfights-with-ai-flown-fighter-jet/

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

My medications would cost either $220 USD here (without insurance) or £20 in the UK (abt 25 bucks)

Were those medications invented in the profit-driven free market economy or the socialist one?

If it weren't for evil capitalists your meds likely wouldn't even exist and you'd already be dead.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Everything is a fixed system, it just looks magic because of our limitations.

Combat is not manufacturing. The amount of variables are endless. Humans are better at it than AI because we don't need a fuckton of inputs and data to make a gut-level decision that makes sense and works. We are not matter and motion according to physical law. It's not all meat. All materialistic theories of mind fail.

As for the "AI dogfight," it was a simulation. It says right there in the article that it was a staged safety demonstration.

 

[Internet Wizard]

Were those medications invented in the profit-driven free market economy or the socialist one?

If it weren't for evil capitalists your meds likely wouldn't even exist and you'd already be dead.

No, actually, they were invented in Denmark
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