What is Autism, anyway?

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It recently occured to me that for as much as people love to bring it up, "Autism" is actually kind of vague.

Someone behaves different from "the norm." Therefore they have autism.

But what is "the norm?" How did we decide which behaviors were normal and which behaviors weren't?

After all, human beings since the dawn of time have behaved any number of ways, and usually any unifying behaviors were due to either survival or coercion. We're a naturally chaotic species. Who is to say Farmer Fitzgibbon wouldn't have been collecting Thomas the Tank Engine figures if he didn't have to spend hours harvesting his crop?

We're also naturally hypocritical and also blind to our own biases. We see it all the time: a guy might get into Fitzgibbon for his Thomas obsession but then the complainer themselves for some reason has a compulsion to kiss every telephone he sees, or is a walking encyclopedia on the entire production of How Green Is My Valley, or can tell you in-depth details on how blacksmithing works without actually being a blacksmith.

It makes me wonder if Autism is even a real thing or just something psychologists made up, either in a misguided attempt to "help" or else to give themselves an unwarranted sense of superiority.
 
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Autism absolutely exists and you have people that are absolutely incapable of functioning in a normal human society due to various neurological/development problems (not simply drug use). If you were never exposed to one you are lucky.

Issue is that in the early 2010 autism got extremely popular due to Tumblr and all kinds of popular shows with "don't go full retard" autists. It was also an easy defence for degenerates. So the term got diluted to meaningless.
 
Autism absolutely exists and you have people that are absolutely incapable of functioning in a normal human society due to various neurological/development problems (not simply drug use). If you were never exposed to one you are lucky.

Issue is that in the early 2010 autism got extremely popular due to Tumblr and all kinds of popular shows with "don't go full retard" autists. It was also an easy defence for degenerates. So the term got diluted to meaningless.
This basically makes me wonder if the old-style systems of places like Europe and Japan where knowledge was horded for a select few rather than spread among the populace might have been the better idea. It seems like when the masses get their hands on something, it gets diluted into being absolutely nonsensical.
 
Autism seems like a pretty lonely existence

It’s a very heavy question, what is the purpose of life. But many people will say to form bonds, create a family, have loved ones.

If you have a disease that makes it difficult to form a connection with your fellow man, then that seems like the biggest disability there is.
 
It makes me wonder if Autism is even a real thing or just something psychologists made up,
All mental disorders are things psychologists just made up they're broad categories of symptoms with a range of intensity and overlap with other mental disorders.

Most of the observable inability of autists is actually caused by Alexithymia, a neuropsychological condition where the right side of the brain either does not work so well or does not communicate properly with the left side of the brain. Alexithymia causes issues in processing/expressing ones own emotions and recognising emotional cues from others.

Autism isn't about having an encyclopedic knowledge on a subject it's about regurgitating that knowledge at anyone with in earshot. Having an obsessive interest in Thomas the tank engine wouldn't necessarily single a person out as an autist, talking for hours at a person about Thomas the tank engine when the other participant in the conversation is blatantly disinterested would. They lack the awareness that their attachment to their interest is partly emotional and personal to them and they don't understand or recognise that other people won't see it the same way.
 
What's remarkable to me is the fact a lot of young people now choose to identify as autistic. When I was growing up it was something I was made to feel deeply embarrassed by, and I wasn't a teenager all that long ago.

I have a few work friends who I've gotten to know quite well (we've been on a few nights out and a few house parties) and a lot of them claim to have autism. These are outgoing, extroverted people. I've asked them if they've been diagnosed and they've all said no.

It's slightly surreal to see people claiming a label I used to feel ashamed of. I don't know what being autistic means to them, because there's nothing there I can recognize. And I can't shake the feeling that these people were once exactly the same kind of kids who used to bully me in school for it.
 
This basically makes me wonder if the old-style systems of places like Europe and Japan where knowledge was horded for a select few rather than spread among the populace might have been the better idea. It seems like when the masses get their hands on something, it gets diluted into being absolutely nonsensical.
It's not like autists are some obscure knowledge, especially at the past where malnutrition, incest and accidents could massively increase their number.
All mental disorders are things psychologists just made up they're broad categories of symptoms with a range of intensity and overlap with other mental disorders.
That's kind of like saying cancer is made up and just broad categories of symptoms. Like I know why people hate psychologists, but there are some issues where the field isn't completely trash.
 
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That's kind of like saying cancer is made up and just broad categories of symptoms. Like I know why people hate psychologists, but there are some issues where the field isn't completely trash.
I rate this :agree:

It's slightly surreal to see people claiming a label I used to feel ashamed of. I don't know what being autistic means to them, because there's nothing there I can recognize. And I can't shake the feeling that these people were once exactly the same kind of kids who used to bully me in school for it
I think the thing to remember about things like this is that people who do/say cringe things like that, are trying to belong.

And that whenever something happens, angry people get angry, silly people get silly, sad people get sad. You re-experience the shame of being bullied because those are the emotions you're used to.

And yes, I'm used to being a knowitall. I'm not breaking my conditioning either.
 
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autism literally is just "you have issues learning/picking up certain social cues without training" that's it. That's all it s. degrees of severity from socially awkward dumbass all the way up to "aggressive chimp-like entity that looks like jontron" . Much like anything else it got bastardized by social media attention whores and "activists".

I have a few work friends who I've gotten to know quite well (we've been on a few nights out and a few house parties) and a lot of them claim to have autism. These are outgoing, extroverted people. I've asked them if they've been diagnosed and they've all said no.
Oh no... See these people are the fucking problem lmao. I mean you can easily be outgoing while having autism it's the fucking self dx/"neurodivergent/neurodiversity" types that are like a BIG fucking factor in how autism has gone from "mildly misunderstood social cue trining required in most cases" thing to "OOOO I STIMMM I HAVE AUTISM I STIMM UUU NEURODIVERGENT FUCK YOU NEUROTYPICAL CISSCUM".
My point is be careful if that makes any sense.
t's slightly surreal to see people claiming a label I used to feel ashamed of. I don't know what being autistic means to them, because there's nothing there I can recognize. And I can't shake the feeling that these people were once exactly the same kind of kids who used to bully me in school for it.
See in the mid 2000s it went from stages of grief to making ass jokes and sperg jokes in general. There was also that timeframe around when tropic thunder came out where they did a push to stop people being able to be called retarded in media so they started saying autism despite them not being the same thing. Modern internet and neurodiversity "autists" will ignore this and treat it like retarded is a slur for autism when it's fucking not.
 
autism literally is just "you have issues learning/picking up certain social cues without training" that's it. That's all it s. degrees of severity from socially awkward dumbass all the way up to "aggressive chimp-like entity that looks like jontron" . Much like anything else it got bastardized by social media attention whores and "activists".

Oh no... See these people are the fucking problem lmao. I mean you can easily be outgoing while having autism it's the fucking self dx/"neurodivergent/neurodiversity" types that are like a BIG fucking factor in how autism has gone from "mildly misunderstood social cue trining required in most cases" thing to "OOOO I STIMMM I HAVE AUTISM I STIMM UUU NEURODIVERGENT FUCK YOU NEUROTYPICAL CISSCUM".
My point is be careful if that makes any sense.
Pretty much what I've seen. Actual Autists are often not capable of behaving like a normal person and will certainly not go out of their way to identify themselves as autists. Most of the time these dickheads like preciousleaf are just using those labels to indirectly keep attacking people.
 
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“Autism is a Spectrum” Doesn’t Mean What You Think​

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C.L. Lynch is an award-winning fiction author and socially awkward autist living in Vancouver, B.C. with one husband, two children, several fuzzy animals, and uncountable unwashed dishes. She enjoys smashing tropes and hiding from adult responsibilities.

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“My son is on the severe end of the autism spectrum.”

“We’re all a little autistic– it’s a spectrum.”

“I’m not autistic but I’m definitely ‘on the spectrum.'”


If only people knew what a spectrum is… because they are talking about autism all wrong.

Let’s use the visible spectrum as an example.

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As you can see, the various parts of the spectrum are noticeably different from each other. Blue looks very different from red, but they are both on the visible light spectrum.

Red is not “more blue” than blue is. Red is not “more spectrum” than blue is.

When people discuss colours, they don’t talk about how “far along” the spectrum a colour is. They don’t say “my walls are on the high end of the spectrum” or “I look best in colours that are on the low end of the spectrum.”

But when people talk about autism they talk as if it were a gradient, not a spectrum at all.

People think you can be “a little autistic” or “extremely autistic,” the way a paint colour could be a little red or extremely red.

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In fact, one of the distinguishing features of autism is what the DSM-V calls an “uneven profile of abilities.” There’s a reason people like to say that “if you have met one person with autism, you’ve met one person with autism.” Every autistic person presents slightly differently.

That’s because autism isn’t one condition. It is a collection of related neurological conditions that are so intertwined and so impossible to pick apart that professionals have stopped trying.

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All autistic people are affected in one way or another in most or all of these boxes – a rainbow of traits.

If you only check one or two boxes, then they don’t call it autism– they call it something else.

For example, if you ONLY struggle with communication, then they call that social communication disorder.

If you ONLY have problems with body movement/control then that is called dyspraxia or developmental coordination disorder.

If you ONLY have sensory processing issues then that is sensory processing disorder.

But if you have all of the above and more, they call it autism.

You can see how ridiculous it seems, therefore, when someone says “we’re all a little autistic” because they also hate fluorescent lights or because they also feel awkward in social situations. That’s like saying that you are dressed “a little rainbowy” when you are only wearing red.

Having sensory processing issues doesn’t make you “a little autistic.” It makes you someone with sensory processing problems. Autistic people will understand your struggles and welcome you as a fellow neurodivergent cousin, but that’s it.

But in order for a person to be considered autistic, they must have difficulty in multiple categories spanning the spectrum. Diagnosis depends on evidence that you do span the spectrum in observable ways.

Some commonalities are less obvious and are not required for diagnosis but are almost universally-reported by autistic people.

Each autistic person is affected strongly enough in one or more categories for it to be disabling in some way. But each person’s dominant colour palette may look different.

Here are some examples of how autism could manifest in three different people.


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As you can see, all three of these hypothetical autistics show classic signs of autism, and yet they all seem very different from one another.

Which one is the “most” autistic?​

Person One would probably be described as “aspie” or “high-functioning,” even though their monotropic mindset might cause executive function problems and make it hard to live and work independently.

Person Two is the type of person who is often described as “severely autistic” since they cannot speak and do not appear to understand what goes on around them. However, people like Carly Fleischmann and Ido Kedar have taught us that in fact they are very socially aware and understand pragmatic speech quite well.

Carly’s interview style in her Youtube show Speechless, for example, is extremely witty and flirtatious in a way that many an “aspie” would be unable to imitate.





If the only thing stopping this person from being witty, social, and vivacious is a motor-control problem, then are they truly “more” autistic than Person One?

Person Three might be able to be independent in adulthood if given the stimulation and accommodations they require in order to feel comfortable and be able to learn. But they might be held back through childhood as parents and teachers try to force them to sit still and be quiet and learn in conventional ways, which might result in increasingly worse episodes of self-harm.

All three of these people are disabled in some way.

People who can speak aloud and have reasonable control over their motor processing are often called “high-functioning,” and yet these autistics often struggle with employment, relationships, and executive function.

My doctor recently referred to my autism is “mild.” I gently pointed to my psychologist’s report which stated that my executive dysfunction as being greater than 99th percentile.

“That means I am less functional than 99% of people. Does that seem mild to you?” I asked her.

But, you see, I can speak, and I can look people in the eyes, so they see my autism as “mild.” My autism affects those around me mildly but my autism does affect me severely.

There is no question that those who suffer from severe neuromotor difficulties are extremely disabled, and I am not in any way comparing myself to them.

In fact, I am specifically asking people to stop comparing me to them. It does them a disservice to assume that they have what I have, only worse.

It is this assumption that dehumanizes people like Ido Kedar and Carly Fleischmann. It is this assumption that leads to them and many like them being treated as unthinking, unfeeling, and unhearing. It is this assumption that drives them to beat their heads against the wall in frustration.

If they have what I have, but worse, then they must be so very autistic that they can’t function at all. They must have worse interpersonal skills, worse information processing, worse social awareness.

But that isn’t true at all.

Not only was my mind fully present and understanding everything, but I read fluently. I thought of retorts, jokes and comments all day long in my head. Only no one else knew.
So, I was talked to like a toddler, not given a real education, and kept bored and sad.
-Ido Kedar, Vista del Mar Autism Conference
Don’t do it.

Don’t assume that an autistic person is so very autistic that they can’t even hear or understand you. Don’t assume that they cannot read just because they cannot use the toilet. Don’t assume that I am not disabled just because I can look you in the eyes and chat with you about the weather.

We have uneven skill sets.

Temple Grandin is unable to read people, thinks visually, speaks, and needs no 1:1 support to get on with her life. I am her opposite. I have great insight into people, think in words, can’t speak to save my life, and need 1:1 help.
-Ido Kedar, “Spectrum or Different?” May 2016
-Ido Kedar, “Spectrum or Different?” May 2016
Ido Kedar does not have a more severe version of Temple Grandin’s autism or my own. His skill set is totally different.

My neuromotor difficulties are limited to burning myself while cooking dinner, or stumbling and falling on a walk. Ido Kedar’s neuromotor difficulties, on the other hand, mean that his body often walks itself right out of the room without his permission.

Yet Ido Kedar could probably blow my pragmatic language skills out of the water.

Does that mean we have nothing in common?​

No, based on what he has written, I can see that we actually have many things in common.

As autistic people, we both know how it feels to lose oneself in a good stim, how it feels to forget to look at someone’s eyes, and how it feels to need prompting to start a task. We both struggle with anxiety and wonder how it feels to be the kind of person who moves through life effortlessly.

We both span the spectrum in one way or another.

But beyond those things, our situations are different and our needs are different.

What people like Ido Kedar need is an occupational therapist and maybe physiotherapist to help them get control of their body movements. They need someone to help them develop skill with a letter board and an iPad so they can finally express their thoughts and feelings.

Instead, they are often infantilized, institutionalized, or spend years being forced to work on their ABC’s when they would love to get their hands on a science textbook.

I, on the other hand, have always been recognized as being intelligent. Instead, I struggle to have my difficulties be recognized. What I need is someone to support me– to cook, to clean, to organize– to help me recover when tasks have gotten larger and more complicated than I can process. Ido Kedar longs for independence while I long for someone to depend on.

The system fails both of us, but in very different ways.

So please stop assuming that one kind of autism is “more autistic” than other kinds of autism.

Red isn’t “more spectrum” than green or blue. Apples aren’t “more fruit” than oranges. That’s not how it works.

The visibility of an autism trait doesn’t necessarily predict what that person can and cannot do or what supports they need most.

I shouldn’t be processing human speech, according to some. I shouldn’t be writing my thoughts. I shouldn’t even have thoughts. Well, I say, go listen to Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony and imagine writing it deaf and try to be a little humble about the brain’s unknown capacities.
Ido Kedar – March 2019, http://www.idoinautismland.com
Don’t assume that a non-speaking autistic who doesn’t react to your presence in the room is unaware of the conversation.

Don’t assume that someone is not really autistic just because they make eye contact with you and can chat about the weather.

Don’t assume that a fluently-talkative autistic person is capable of processing what you have just said to them.

Don’t assume anything about an autistic person.

For seventy years (at least), people have been making assumptions about autistic people based on outward behaviour. Even the diagnostic criteria for autism is based on what is easily observable by an onlooker. They think that the stranger we act, the “more autistic” we are.

We are asking you to stop.

Ask us what we can and cannot do.

Even if it doesn’t look as though we can understand.



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Pretty much what I've seen. Actual Autists are often not capable of behaving like a normal person and will certainly not go out of their way to identify themselves as autists.

yeah I dunno nigga u ever seen this Chris Chan motherfucker?
if he could fuck autism he probably would
 
That's kind of like saying cancer is made up and just broad categories of symptoms. Like I know why people hate psychologists, but there are some issues where the field isn't completely trash.
I should have been more clear. Mental illness is real, the categorisation of them into specific mental disorders is what I take issue with. Not only is it pointless since most psychotherapy tackles problematic symptoms individually anyway, I think it's actively harmful to patients and the untreated mentally ill.
 
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I should have been more clear. Mental illness is real, the categorisation of them into specific mental disorders is what I take issue with. Not only is it pointless since most psychotherapy tackles problematic symptoms individually anyway, I think it's actively harmful to patients and the untreated mentally ill.
Yeah but it helps the general public to know what to expect. It might not be 100% autism/schizophrenia/psychopathy but people can understand if a person is a danger to himself or others and how severe it is.
 
Yeah but it helps the general public to know what to expect.
I'm fascinated by the idea of culture bound syndromes, mass psychogenic illness and iatrogenic metal illness. I'm just a retard on the internet but I believe that mental health has a huge memetic component, I see the proliferation and acceptance of mental health labels as potentially damaging.
 
Autism is real. It varies per person affected. The drooling retard sped is the most severe. The guy that likes trains more than usual is least severe. In any case, socializing is a bitch for the most part. You have to learn how to take interest in other people's hobbies and interests and shut up about the trains just a bit if you want friends.
 
@skykiii I learned about autism by accident some years ago when I had snapped out of a five-year period when I was “transgender”. My first assumption was that it was due to some natal malfunction, so I read this book on amniotic fluid studies.

It reports that when a woman experiences sustained stress while pregnant, the the stress-induced spike in testosterone rapidly acts on the brain of the fetus; therefore autism is characterized as the hyper-masculinization of the brain.

The word autism itself is from Greek and it means selfish; in context, an autistic person is someone who is absorbed in themselves, which is colloquially called narcissism; though narcism specifically applies to someone who lusts after themselves.

There is a lot more to say about it. I suggest looking into amniotic fluid studies. It’s conclusive that autism is a manifestation of traumatic stress, and it effects a person differently depending on which stage in life they were traumatized.

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