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- Feb 13, 2024
I think a lot of ftm / fujo level thinking is that when a man is submissive it's by choice but when a women is submissive it's seen as something women are inherently are / do not have a choice about because of the strength disparity. So when ftms say fag I think they mean I'm choosing to be overtly submissive and sexual (because they've chosen to be a man) rather than highlighting their inherent physical strength vulnerability which is what they would feel like they were doing if they were just women.
I think when Vicki says she survived being gay she means she survived being an attractive young woman in what was probably middle school + all zoomers grew up with porn from a young age, so exploring your sexual identity would have mean engaging with the porn idea of sexuality. So you had to hide it / develop it privately through alternative means (often yaoi shit) a bit like gay people had to previously hide themselves. Like I remember in the pooner zoo thread there was a run of tweets where ftm fantasy scenarios were just heterosexual relationships but had to happen secretly / be negotiated with risk on both sides because 'gay stigma'. Because it doesn't feel like the risk of a sexual / romantic negotiation is on both sides when the guy has grown up on cock hungry whores III or whatever.
I don't know that I would necessarily believe Vicki if she said she was sexually assaulted or something like that because she doesn't read that way to me but I can easily see her getting a lot of negative attention looking the way she used to especially if she was at a rich kid school (rich kids aren't known for being empathetic). I would say it was the equivalent of most ftms being very short - being very short makes you extra vulnerable beyond just being female and people do stuff like pick you up as a joke' all the time and it's not like you can do anything about it. It's avoiding physical vulnerability that has to be negotiated through trust by creating a weird social construction that has to be engaged with first.
Also like if she was gay during middle school or whenever she was getting a lot of sexual attention then the idea of her being a hugely in demand twink or whatever makes more sense from her perspective. I can believe she had a grindr profile I just don't think she was out there meeting up.
I think when Vicki says she survived being gay she means she survived being an attractive young woman in what was probably middle school + all zoomers grew up with porn from a young age, so exploring your sexual identity would have mean engaging with the porn idea of sexuality. So you had to hide it / develop it privately through alternative means (often yaoi shit) a bit like gay people had to previously hide themselves. Like I remember in the pooner zoo thread there was a run of tweets where ftm fantasy scenarios were just heterosexual relationships but had to happen secretly / be negotiated with risk on both sides because 'gay stigma'. Because it doesn't feel like the risk of a sexual / romantic negotiation is on both sides when the guy has grown up on cock hungry whores III or whatever.
I don't know that I would necessarily believe Vicki if she said she was sexually assaulted or something like that because she doesn't read that way to me but I can easily see her getting a lot of negative attention looking the way she used to especially if she was at a rich kid school (rich kids aren't known for being empathetic). I would say it was the equivalent of most ftms being very short - being very short makes you extra vulnerable beyond just being female and people do stuff like pick you up as a joke' all the time and it's not like you can do anything about it. It's avoiding physical vulnerability that has to be negotiated through trust by creating a weird social construction that has to be engaged with first.
Also like if she was gay during middle school or whenever she was getting a lot of sexual attention then the idea of her being a hugely in demand twink or whatever makes more sense from her perspective. I can believe she had a grindr profile I just don't think she was out there meeting up.
This isn't a bid for sympathy for Vicki bc she's one of the most unsympathetic ftms here it's just like general commentary I guess. Like I kind think she likes being ugly and forcing people to interact with her or look at her anyway even if she sometimes misses the social capital of what she used to look like.