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Dairugger looks so good; I'll probably start it after Raideen. Don't you love these types of shows about people who are free as birds journeying through space purely for the sake of it rather than something like being the best in the world or an epic hero? Sadly, this type of romanticism and adventure is hardly expressed in any media nowadays.
Isn't that the one they made into the half of Voltron no one remembers?
Yes, but 70s anime looks so artful in comparison -- not that it's fluid or detailed or whatever, but that it's expressive and truly artistic.
There's very few television anime in general that make me think "yeah, this is extremely well animated." And plenty which don't like early computer animation and CG and most shows nowadays. Only difference with 70s stuff is the style. For every cool trippy visual effect there's stiff-ass ugly animation like Doan's Island in the original Gundam.
 
Isn't that the one they made into the half of Voltron no one remembers?
Yes, but apparently the Japanese version is really good -- it's sort of like a combination of Yamato and Star Trek.
There's very few television anime in general that make me think "yeah, this is extremely well animated." And plenty which don't like early computer animation and CG and most shows nowadays. Only difference with 70s stuff is the style. For every cool trippy visual effect there's stiff-ass ugly animation like Doan's Island in the original Gundam.
Style was what I was talking about, not animation quality. 70s anime looks a lot more artsy, skillful, and deliberate while modern anime seems like a few steps above Deviantart quality.
 
Did that hyped up concept movie ever get released? All I ever saw of it was an announcement trailer.
That concept movie was just that; a concept.

Though it does look like a few elements from it have worked their way into the next film, if the recent trailers are any indication.
 
Style was what I was talking about, not animation quality. 70s anime looks a lot more artsy, skillful, and deliberate while modern anime seems like a few steps above Deviantart quality.
I can't think of any 70s anime that have the artistic flair as all the best 80s OVAs or a few 90s/00s stuff. There's moments the original Gundam takes you on an acid trip but then you have Turn A Gundam where the animation is some of the best ever not just for the quality, but the whole approach. That's a reasonable comparison--same franchise, same director, same studio. And even in the past decade there's some really creative shows in approach like the Elusive Samurai adaption from last year where they actually expanded on the manga's detail. It just sucks that it's so rare to see things like that anymore.
 
Started reading BLAME! recently. Don't know if it will get too weird or disappointing later on, but so far its pretty good.
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Here's the first chapter.
 
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Started reading BLAME! recently. Don't know if it will get too weird or disappointing later on, but so far its pretty good.
B-but I thought you were the only Kiwi that hated all tranime and would pass the degen test :(
And to answer your question, BLAME! does get weird and disappointing later on; it's not worth it.
I can't think of any 70s anime that have the artistic flair as all the best 80s OVAs or a few 90s/00s stuff.
Any show with machinery will have some wonderful shading, water is depicted in this really nice, heavy way, all the lines tend to be quite rugged, and the characters are either designed like lil goofballs or built to be stoic, melancholic heroes. Not much anime since then has done that; it's mostly overly-infantalized crap.
then you have Turn A Gundam where the animation is some of the best ever not just for the quality, but the whole approach.
Turn A looks like a late 90s sci-fi show like Stargate. Pretty good that they could translate live action into animated form.
 
B-but I thought you were the only Kiwi that hated all tranime and would pass the degen test :(
And to answer your question, BLAME! does get weird and disappointing later on; it's not worth it.

Any show with machinery will have some wonderful shading, water is depicted in this really nice, heavy way, all the lines tend to be quite rugged, and the characters are either designed like lil goofballs or built to be stoic, melancholic heroes. Not much anime since then has done that; it's mostly overly-infantalized crap.
I don't see what you're going on about. The lines are nice, sure, and adds to the manga-esque look (even for anime originals). The shading is nice, even if 80s anime did the shading better anyway on machinery, as did or retro-styled shit like the Getter Robo OVAs or Gurren Lagann. But water, nah, it's generic and blue, because it's difficult to do by hand. Computer animation is simply better at it. You couldn't do a show with a lot of water like Aria before the 00s.

I also never liked the character design trope where the very young and very old have very stylized appearances and everyone else (beside joke characters) normal proportions. Yeah, 70s heroes look cooler than the typical bishie fags of the past 20 years, but other than that, eh. Remember too they toned down manga designs, like how 70s Getter Robo anime Dr. Saotome looks like a kindly fat middle aged man rather than a lunatic mad scientist playing around with evil shit like in the manga and Ryouma and Hayato don't look like violent psycho delinquents.
Turn A looks like a late 90s sci-fi show like Stargate. Pretty good that they could translate live action into animated form.
I think it's the very cool art direction and aesthetic (steampunk/dieselpunk meets utopian future shit). It's also exceptionally colorful and IIRC has almost no stock footage. I don't think the industry is capable of making something that beautiful now even with CGI. At least some shows are still very colorful like G-Reco or Elusive Samurai.
 
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It hits its stride in the second season, the first is a typical low effort 12 episode commercial for gachaslop
to be fair, it's hard to compare it to the average jpg-collector gachaslop given how much money and effort cygames pumps into it. heck with all the issues of name-rights for the horses and possible yakuza involvement that delayed the game for years (s1 was supposed to lead into the gacha launch), most companies would probably have thrown in the towel.

instead they did actually release it and gave us horse-idol kino (the anime version was a downgrade, it needs to have more pyrotechnics than a rammstein concert):
 
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The merch I've been seeing at Hot Topic like the past year or two makes me wonder. The anime will be 20 years old next year, and it's a contender for a Brotherhood treatment like Fruits Basket. Problem is the current gender bullshit that will undoubtedly be pushed, if not by the Japanese, by the American localization team. Also the dub will just not be the same in general.

At least there's always an alternative fansub should it get to that point.
 
Compared to those, isekai honestly has a little more variety on account of reincarnation.
Isekai may have the initial premise of "I was reincarnated in X, Y, or Z goofy way" but every single story plays out the exact same way. The last original concept I remember being introduced is Shield Hero's edgy trope about every other isekai'd character beside the protagonist being a moronic, arrogant asshole, and now every single slop isekai does that too.
 
The Japanese bubble popped and animators made a kerfuffle about "human rights".
The isekai designs are because a lot of the time they cheap out. That being said, battle harems and mecha also had their own mc character design type that was ridiculously common. For battle harems it was the clueless lucky pervert brown/black haired everyman. For Mecha it was the hotblooded brown haired with sideburns guy.
Compared to those, isekai honestly has a little more variety on account of reincarnation.
I disagree. Isekai is forever stuck in the western fantasy camp and is so trope filled that the only notable instances are the ones where the tropes are called out. At least battle harems had the initial school setting and branched out from that point. Also isekai refuses to die the fuck out, konosuba laughed at the genre and the anime came out 8 years ago.

Another important factor is that isekai is basically pure slop. It's escapism media in its most base form.
 
I practically finished One Peak and now I'm waiting for Elbaf to be finished to continue. I have now started Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and am almost finished with Part 2: Battle Tendency. So I guess that makes Pokemon, Naruto, The Seven Deadly Sins, One Piece, and now Jojo's Bizarre Adventure for me.
 
I disagree. Isekai is forever stuck in the western fantasy camp and is so trope filled that the only notable instances are the ones where the tropes are called out. At least battle harems had the initial school setting and branched out from that point. Also isekai refuses to die the fuck out, konosuba laughed at the genre and the anime came out 8 years ago.
Nips love Dragon Quest too much to think of an actually interesting Isekai concept. I make this post every single time Isekai gets mentioned in this thread because it's the biggest blow against Isekai LNs.
 
Nips love Dragon Quest too much to think of an actually interesting Isekai concept. I make this post every single time Isekai gets mentioned in this thread because it's the biggest blow against Isekai LNs.
How does Dragon Quest have anything to do with this outside of being a standard anigame fantasy series?
 
I would say every Isekai exists on a spectrum between 3 points: Comedy, Battle Shonen, and Harem/Reverse Harem. But as an entirely separate thing the vast majority of Anime Fantasy either takes place at Anime Hogwarts, the Adventurer's Guild, and/or a light fantasy setting with explicit MMO mechanics built into the universe. Most of the time when people in this thread are complaining about Isekai it's just a complaint about how nearly ALL fantasy Anime takes place in those 3 settings not actually isekai. You can find dozens of non Isekai anime in the last 10 years that still take place in those settings because that's what the Nips want, not fish out of water stories with cheat powers explicitly.

It's not Isekai that's shitting up fantasy anime, it's fantasy anime shitting up itself.
 
the vast majority of Anime Fantasy either takes place at Anime Hogwarts
Goyslop light novels haven't taken place at Anime Hogwarts for over a decade. You'll only see that setting in the present day when it is itself part of the Generic Isekai Fantasy Setting (Villainess Isekai slop LNs tend to feature this pretty frequently).

To be totally fair, though, in the late 00s and early 10s, Index-ripoff and Maburaho-ripoff Magic School Battle Harems were  the LNslop, even worse than isekai is now.
 
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I would say every Isekai exists on a spectrum between 3 points: Comedy, Battle Shonen, and Harem/Reverse Harem.
Not really, actual comedy is rare and at most is characters talk about tropes. Battle shonens are also rare, an enemy that's actual a roadblock doesn't last long, unlike ye olde battle shonens where an entire season could build up to a single fight. And even the harem is devoid of character interaction.
But as an entirely separate thing the vast majority of Anime Fantasy either takes place at Anime Hogwarts, the Adventurer's Guild, and/or a light fantasy setting with explicit MMO mechanics built into the universe
Adventurer's guild and light fantasy usually come bundled up. Having an explicit MMO mechanics is the biggest red flag that things are going to get shit since it's pure power level/having the exact counter ability bullshit every time.
You can find dozens of non Isekai anime in the last 10 years that still take place in those settings because that's what the Nips want, not fish out of water stories with cheat powers explicitly.
A lot of those are not isekai in name only. But still have every fault of the original genre.
 
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