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Or they get Luigi'd.The worst part is that we all know it wont ever bite them, nothing ever happens, but also because the government will just bail them out again
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Or they get Luigi'd.The worst part is that we all know it wont ever bite them, nothing ever happens, but also because the government will just bail them out again
It will be fine! Congress will just allocate Boeing another Squadgillion dollars, so they can hire the finest Jeets in Punjab to determine there is absolutely nothing wrong with their planes. Anything left over from that will be used to pay off families of the deceased so they don't sue. Thank you based American taxpayers.
Yep Boeing has gigantic FOD issues with the new tanker.my friend who is in the air force told me that when they got the new tanker based off of the old 767 platform that when the air force mechanics were doing their inspections that they found tools inside panels and things that were left their during assembly that didn't belong there.
Thankfully the no habla Ingles workers were really cheap and made the profit margin go up .0001%Forgive me if I'm late of if its already been covered, but the doorplug blowout is such a morbidly hilarious scenario.
The TL;DR of what happened is said door/door area needed to be repainted. Boeing of course had this done at an outsourced plant. None of the people who performed the painting spoke a lick of English whatsoever (which was found upon investigation). The missing bolts were actually found to be missing by an inspector, and the ticket said inspector wrote up was still open at the time the plane was released.
In short we have
1. People who couldnt speaking english (and thus could not read the manual, which is the greatest sin to commit in aviation maintenance)
2. Said people left their job critically incomplete
3. An inspector who noted the issue of being incomplete, and his ticket went ignored.
4. Q/C obviously not catching the open ticket
How you reach this level of a comedy of errors is baffling, especially in a day and age where the biggest buzzword that gets you the most good boy points is "safety"
Hehe people on the F-16 assembly line start at $18 an hourThat's an aviation industry problem, not just a Boeing problem.
This summer I worked at one of the largest MROs in the country, and they only just recently started certified mechanics at $24 an hour (previously it was $20 an hour, and non certified people at $18 an hour)
For context, average mechanic starting pay is around $25-$27 an hour (and you can of course, to work for amazon fulfillment at $22 an hour starting)
There are just a lot of issues surrounding the aviation maintenance industry right now when it comes to pay and people.
I could go into more detail for any interested, but rest assured, this problem expands well beyond just Boeing
Yep. Skilled labor pay is stuck 30-40 years in the past, as is entry level white collar pay.The real sleeper issue is that while Professional jobs have not kept pace with inflation or the cost of entry (College and University) the trades and unkilled labor HAS. As was pointed out, you can make 20 dollars an hour being a wage slave in mister Bezos' cuck shack. The reason for this is that turnover at the lower end of the job market is very high, and with so many people trying to avoid being burger flippers and ditch diggers, the people willing to do this work, and do it competently actually are able to command pretty good wages compared to what these jobs offered 20 years ago. I was talking to a guy who was working temp job as a traffic flagger. You know who they are, those dudes who stand in the middle of the road with that sign that says "Slow" on one side and "Stop" on the other. 18 bucks an hour. Off the street. Alot of McJobs are also commding 13-14 an hour to START with guaranteed pay raises up to 16 to 18 an hour if you actually stick around for 2 years
Yep Airbus uses financial engineering even more than Boeing.From what I understand, Airbus is worse. Boeing will give you some tolerances to work with. Airbus gives a spec, and if it doesn't match the spec, it has to be replaced.
Airbus is poorer quality and does not last as long, but also much cheaper (an A320 NEO is 101 million, compared to a 737 MAX at 310 million). Airbus also has a lot of autopilot systems to the point that the plane really does just fly itself, which is great for poorer countries with poorer quality pilots, which is what the 737 MAX was supposed to compete with (which is a seperate discussion entirely)
Like I said before, most of the public does not understand how horrifically expensive aviation is. Related to this, if you ever see any "aviation experts" in the media, feel free to completely discount thier opinions, as 9/10 times, what they say ranges from woefully wrong to outright retarded
..... Russian civil aviation pretty much died in 1991 and came back with ONE jet (the Sukhoi Superjet) in the late 2010s that sold like shit and now is only coming back due to turbo sanctions. Even then it's warmed over 1990s designs that are like flying dinosaurs.Tbh: Sounds like once they get the engines figured out, there’s a lot of room in the market for Russian and Chinese jets.
Shit, even without hyper efficient engines they should be alright. I reckon the savings on maintenance and planes might be worth a plane that’s 5% less efficient.
You can say "suck some CEO dick" it's ok. Or if not his then his buddy'sCorporate jobs a generally regarded as the best in the field. They have a corporate structure rather than maintence structure, so they're often salaried, and you get a pay bump based on your level of education (BS, MS, etc.). You work on the same few airplanes, and and thus can better track problems. Pay is decent(you might start at around 80k or so). You may be on call, but offtime is better and working 3rd shift isnt terribly common. Theyre all over the country since theres CEOs all over the country. The downside is that these jobs are very exclusive, and you not only need good experience to get in, you also have to know people that know people that know people to get in.
They do and no one buys it. ~114 sales in 50 years.On that note, it is utterly baffling to me that Lockheed doesnt offer a civilian variatiant of the C130. You would think that there'd be a huge market for it, particularly in canada where most runways are unimproved and short, to the point that they're the worlds largest operator beech 1900s, and friccin Boeing 737-200s since the -200s can still have a vortex disspator.
I mean it kind of is. They fixed the piece of shit software but they can't fix the reason they need it in the first place. The shity aerodynamics is caused by the engine being so far forwards which is a result of Boeing insisting on using an outdated design and just throwing newer engines on it.
Airbus still has life left on the a320s design, Boeing doesn't. They need to replace the 737 next generation but they are in financial trouble and their executives are too retarded to put money into new aircraft designs. They are stagnant and I wouldn't be surprised if in 20 years they don't somehow hack together an even shittier 737 variant somehow.
It's going to turn into a really really big problem in the next 20 years. There are going to be alot of very angry middle class wage slaves being priced out by foreign imports. Meanwhile the lower level of the economic ladder is starting to enjoy unprecedented labor market power. McDonalds is not jacking up its prices because it wants to be a greedy fuck, it's doing it because they need to pay for competent people to run the fry station that won't burn the product or not show up when scheduled.Yep. Skilled labor pay is stuck 30-40 years in the past, as is entry level white collar pay.
Weren't they doing that with the 797/NMA project? They scrapped that after Airbus broke news about the A320 neos coming to market so much sooner, no?The 737 is an early 1960s design. If Boeing wasn't retarded, they would have started on a brand new 737/A320 clean sheet design in around 2010
The main thing with the Boeing Max was it was supposed to be more economical by having bigger engines. But that threw off the balance because the engines didn't fit under the wings.You need to come out with some new bullshit all the time. Otherwise your patents will expire. So is the 737-Max the same thing as the 737 that came out half a century ago? NO. It's got new...stuff...that, uh, synergizes modern technology to create a new customer experience and..uh...unprecedented levels of crew control with the very best technology that...while written by pajeets with fake credentials will lead to 5% decreases in carbon emission reductions and meet DEI quotas and...AND ITS JUST BETTER OKAY STOP ASKING QUESTIONS!
Kind of true. The F-22 is a 1980s design filled in with 1990s technology. The F-35 is a 1990s design filled in with 2000s technology. Both needed polishing up after, and only entered service about half a decade after their tech decade.Even 5th generations fighters like the F35 and F22 are not new. They are iterations on experimental designs from the 1980s, using the engine mounts of the 1970s jet air craft. The only innovation being the ability to reduce the radar profile of an F-15. That is all the F-22 is after all. An F-15 with a new chassis designed to reduce radar profile.
I remember when Ace Combat 4 first came out ages ago and the F22 on the cover made it seem so high tech and mysterious. To think it was already a bit old when it made the game cover is some whiplash.Kind of true. The F-22 is a 1980s design filled in with 1990s technology. The F-35 is a 1990s design filled in with 2000s technology. Both needed polishing up after, and only entered service about half a decade after their tech decade.
I think the F-22 is a better dogfighter than the F-15, but I'm not sure. Doesn't really matter for actual engagements. It might have a higher flight ceiling too, the official number was a lie and it can probably zoom climb better than anyone has seen. Maybe better than an unmodified F-15, but the Streak Eagle was really good.
There are rumors that the F-35 uses British stealth technology and that's why it can be exported. It probably has a bigger radar cross section, but maybe that's just because it has worse tolerance and is bumpier? Wacky carbon nanotube rumors too.
it really is insane, meanwhile warehouse work pays just as much, hell i've worked at places where at least an hour is spent sitting around like an asshole and getting paid $25/hr, honestly if you factor in costs i know plenty of people who haven't really broken even on college, and that's just for bachelors, i'd say maybe 1% of people i know who went to graduate school have broken even on investment, and even thats sus because very rarely did they need to go to graduate school to get the job that gave them the pay bump and if you factor in inflation college in general hasn't paid off for an even bigger chunk of people i know. meanwhile every hoodrat who was forced to start a career at 18 ended up doing rather well because 4 years more of general experience trying to get a job and learning the tricks and usually befriending the right people so they'd be the ones sitting on their ass clearing more than private universiy kids.My cousin works at a marketing company that starts new grads at MAYBE $50K a year. They recruit from an extremely expensive private university
And now we come to the real crux of the matter.This leads to an interesting point because plenty of people were sounding the alarm even in the 2000s, but because it didn't trickle down to the teachers and parents of america plenty of people got fucked and is probably a huge factor in the rise of socialists online. As has come out recently, "learn to code" was mostly bad advice even if you tried 20 years ago because the H1-Bs you were competing with.
not falling for scams isn't really a "notable" trait, i mean yeah the teenagers i know are as self aware of modern society as your average kiwifarmer but that doesn't mean much. there were always people that saw through the strings, didn't amount to much.but if anyone has raised the tablet generation they know exactly what I mean.
The Alphas are not teenagers. Anyone in their teens right now is a Zoomernot falling for scams isn't really a "notable" trait, i mean yeah the teenagers i know are as self aware of modern society as your average kiwifarmer but that doesn't mean much. there were always people that saw through the strings, didn't amount to much.
The Max series have newer, more fuel efficient engines that mess up the CoG/CoL balance. That's why they need the (very poorly designed, implemented, and documented) attitude control system that was causing crashes.So is the 737-Max the same thing as the 737 that came out half a century ago?
Uhhhhhhhh no.Kind of true. The F-22 is a 1980s design filled in with 1990s technology. The F-35 is a 1990s design filled in with 2000s technology. Both needed polishing up after, and only entered service about half a decade after their tech decade.
I think the F-22 is a better dogfighter than the F-15, but I'm not sure. Doesn't really matter for actual engagements. It might have a higher flight ceiling too, the official number was a lie and it can probably zoom climb better than anyone has seen. Maybe better than an unmodified F-15, but the Streak Eagle was really good.
There are rumors that the F-35 uses British stealth technology and that's why it can be exported. It probably has a bigger radar cross section, but maybe that's just because it has worse tolerance and is bumpier? Wacky carbon nanotube rumors too.
In 2004 the F-22 had JUST entered service.I remember when Ace Combat 4 first came out ages ago and the F22 on the cover made it seem so high tech and mysterious. To think it was already a bit old when it made the game cover is some whiplash.