"Doxing" in 2025

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Wait, I know there's a certain emphasis on correlating public information here, but illegally-obtained information gets used here a lot. Does that one degree of separation really make so much difference? During the FurAffinity hack, people were salivating at the thought of getting all that data, which would violate the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act at the very least. How is it a big difference when someone reveals information they stole, which is then used to dox someone?
 
It's less about the cows and more about the people that can be swayed to be anti-Farms. You'll never convince a cow that they earned the dox via bad opsec, but you can mitigate trouble with normal people who aren't familiar with laws.
That's a pointless battle because 1) normies don't care about the Farms or even know it exists 2) even if you could get the normies on-side it wouldn't matter because it's the terminally online cows with connections and resources who make life difficult for Null.

Obviously it would be nice for journoscum to be honest about the Farms, but they're not really the problem. The problem are cows like Dong Gone who spend every waking moment spamming every link in the supply chain to disrupt Null's ability to run the site.
 
The point isn't to make it acceptable to normies the point is to shine a light on the fact that people who dislike kiwifarms do the same thing. Believe it or not, the world isn't a 50-50 split between based chuds or deranged troonlovers. Most people are normies with very fluid opinions on stuff.
Normal people aren't posting the full names and addresses of random people on the internet. Even Taylor Lorenz and other journoslime at least have to justify why it's important to dox Null, Libs of Tiktok, the black dude who owns the suicide forum, etc. Why is it important we know some whiny troon's real name is John Andrew Smith and not "Lilith Sophie Purpentina?" Why is it important we know where some nobody failed streamer lives? I think it's funny to post shit like that, and some of these people certainly are a public menace and should have a light shone on them. But the public doesn't, especially not the establishment on either side of the spectrum.

But most people won't agree. I'm sure Null will say it's totally different, but Null doesn't mince words about what Kiwi Farms is when journalists or some faggy censorship agency like New Zealand's "Office of the Chief Censor" come demanding he explain itself. Honestly I think it's hurt him at times since some boilerplate PR shit might look better instead of the cathartic joy of telling these slimeballs to fuck off. And hell, maybe he is moving past that and will politely explain why he is correct next time these fags whine about this site.

But until that time comes, calling it doxing isn't any different. And honestly, nobody will ever treat this place as anything but a hive of creepy scumbags, even if some of them are useful for gathering information. A single word being used or not won't change a thing.
 
I like the term phonebooking and phonebook, because it underscores the banality and legality of it. If it is in the phonebook, how can it be controversial?
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Erm, yikes. Educate yourself?
 
Normal people aren't posting the full names and addresses of random people on the internet. Even Taylor Lorenz and other journoslime at least have to justify why it's important to dox Null, Libs of Tiktok, the black dude who owns the suicide forum, etc. Why is it important we know some whiny troon's real name is John Andrew Smith and not "Lilith Sophie Purpentina?" Why is it important we know where some nobody failed streamer lives? I think it's funny to post shit like that, and some of these people certainly are a public menace and should have a light shone on them. But the public doesn't, especially not the establishment on either side of the spectrum.
None of that shit is relevant, the argument isn't whether or not you should post people's information its whether or not you should use the untouchable self incriminating ammo feeding radiative nonoword while doing it or use the word every single other person who does the exact same thign is.
 
I personally like "lightbulbing". Think of how bugs will scatter and hide when a light is shined on them. The Farms posts info to let people who prefer to hide in the dark (especially the truly vile like pedos and zoosadists) that they can't hide and they can't avoid scrutiny. As Null noted, harassing cows is against the rules and will get a ginormous banhammer and a call to the local pigs.

Leave it to journoscum to twist the meaning of words. Yes, they could argue how us kiwis are harassing and extorting people irl and how we need to be yeeted permanently. Fuck, there's already a group of trannies out there trying to get us literally banned from the internet backbone via irl harassment of corporate execs. We need to be careful about shit like word use so as to not give our enemies rope to hang us with.

But yeah, El Comandante's $200 is on "lightbulbing".
 
I thought "doxxing" meant exposing someone's real identity by linking it to their online account or behavior, usually with malicious intent. So, LFJ paying someone to identify KF users is definitely doxxing—it ties an online username to a real person and even included a call-to-action against hiring them again.

On the other hand, KF archiving public content from real-world accounts isn't doxxing—it’s just documenting. Once they've put themselves on the radar, I think it's fine to go to whatever legal lengths of research to find what comes back with their voluntarily presented real name and info.

Trying to label it as something else seems unnecessary. We should just continue using "doxxing" correctly, especially when "doxxing" describes their harmful behavior.

I’m also confused about the need to post personal addresses. Even if public clues make it easy to find, revealing them doesn’t feel justifiable. Archiving posts holds people accountable for their words and actions, but sharing PII lacks utility and adds unnecessary risk. If we claim any ethical high ground, our actions need consistency.


This is an instance of someone (Eric Taxxon) using "doxxing" the incorrect way. He quite literally went by his legal name online, then gets surprised when people look that name up, find information associated with it, then use it. That is Meaning B. That's what we don't want to be called doxxing, as doxxing involves personal information which is not easily available publicly. This is what OP says should be referred to by phonebooking, sunshining, deets.

I agree that if someone uses their rea name, it’s not doxxing when others find and use public info tied to it. To me, doxxing applies when private details, separated by intentional anonymity, are maliciously connected.

I once Googled someone’s SN from a psychedelic forum and found his IG with his real name, photos, etc. His forum posts documented his clandestine lab. While no effort was needed to "unmask" him, I’d still consider it doxxing if I exposed the connection. If he had linked his IG or mentioned it used the same SN as the forum, it’d be fair game since he made the connection himself.

Decent OPSEC is essential, but doxxing should hinge on intent and whether someone deliberately separates their identity. Because otherwise, when anybody can be reliably exposed these days, "easily available publicly" will just cover for and justify unethical means, too. It essentially retroactively establishes a successful doxxing AS the justification for doing it.
 
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None of that shit is relevant, the argument isn't whether or not you should post people's information its whether or not you should use the untouchable self incriminating ammo feeding radiative nonoword while doing it or use the word every single other person who does the exact same thign is.
It isn't self-incriminating if you aren't committing a crime. No word is, hence why I can call my ice cream cones "crack" and my ice cream shop the "Crack Shack" and it's totally legal. Like do you really think anyone who hates this site is going to see "woah, they posted someone's full name, DOB, address, pictures of their parents, and shots of the inside of their house from Zillow, but at least they didn't call it doxing." Any court or police agency who agrees with them (i.e. people who don't obey the law, because there is nothing illegal about the sort of doxing Kiwi Farms does) isn't going to care what it's called. Normies don't care what it's called because normies don't like it. Rehabilitating the reputation of this site in the eyes of crooked judges or the general public at the expense of making everyone here play silly language games is just silly.
 
I probably wouldn't go down the route of using a term like "unmasking" or "deanonymizing".

The issue really is that it inherently leads to the idea of linking to real-life identities, and when combined with terms like "sunshining" that can lead to the implication that the primary reason is to release and spread the information as wide as possible.

Those kinds of implications are going to immediately get you back into the same situation pretty quick, since it's the unmasking that people really have a major issue with, not the information collection stages.

You probably want to lean towards a term that emphasizes the process of documenting a person, rather than on releasing or exposing that information. Terms like "infodumping" kinda works since it portrays the implication that the goal isn't necessarily to chuck up all this shit and show it to every passerby who will listen, but on simply collating and storing the information.

I'm sure there's some nerd terms that could be appropriated to best explain it. If you're a fat of tabletop RPGs for example, then you could use terms like "making a character sheet". You want to ideally avoid any links to releasing and spreading the information deliberately, and instead use a term that's akin to creating a data vault of an individual.
 
I like info dump or IDing for short. The funny, meme lexicon can evolve later.

Isn't that what cops use when they want to release public information on criminals anyway?

Or wait, public information, PI-ing, peeing. Lul. Nevermind.
 
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Love unmasking, receipts, and phonebooking. The third especially since it's the truth; they're details you find in public places, legally, like literal phonebooking back when phone books were the norm.
 
Wait, I know there's a certain emphasis on correlating public information here, but illegally-obtained information gets used here a lot.
it's not illegal to use publicly disseminated but illegally-obtained information. nor is it doxing to do so, in that case, as far as i understand the law. the doxing is when the individual performing the illegal acquisition obtains the information. what we would do is just the same as what an aggregator that gathers info from the jail databases across the country does. once that information is public in some way, it's not illegal for other people to gather and correlate it together with other information.
 
Thanks for the explanation.

That whole thing with James Lindsey was very strange to me: "They've doxxed James!!!" (howls of indignation)

But we already know his name and know he lives in Tennesee (as Matt Walsh does). What else are they looking for? Are these guys delinquent on their mortgage payments? Did somebody start following their wives or something?

I realized the word has morphed, it used to describe anon person who had their real life identity posted, now it means something different entirely.
The word signals 'predation' to the normies and MSM.

"Info-dumping" my choice.
 
Wait, I know there's a certain emphasis on correlating public information here, but illegally-obtained information gets used here a lot. Does that one degree of separation really make so much difference?

I think even if in court you can prove no criminal, malicious or harassing intent, calling it 'doxing' is enough for a cow to get a lawyer to discovery. Null is trying to avoid lengthy frivolous legal battles, as well as service providers who will just listen to the word 'dox' and opt out of dealing with the headache. With 'dox' being a term with a legal definition now, it gives them legitimate cover to drop Null and the farms.
 
Unmasking makes sense because the internet is essentially a mask people hide behind. This is how it should be. Internet anonymity should never be compromised. Only dumbass normies that started piling on the internet with the rise of social media thought it was a good idea to post pics of themselves and their information online. Everyone else knew better.
I don't think this is a very good replacement term. It's probably fine if you figure out what someone's same is and post it, but the connotations aren't that the post will have more than that. It's not full documentation or a full dossier.
 
Anyone stopped to think that if we need to come up with a gay replacement term for something that happens here that absolutely no one else in the world will use because it’s gay that what we are doing is fucking gay and autistic and a net negative to this site in the end?
 
ok I chud-munched through the thread to post "informed"

word filtering DOX/DOXXed to another word does exactly what Null wants to avoid (associate all site activity with a term now associated with criminal activity). Censoring the word also prevents activity Null wants visible on the forum which is users stating they are engaging in could-be criminal activities. If you insist on using the word, he will treat it like the lawyers and barristers would treat it.

thus my suggestion: SURVEYING

just own it: Kiwifarms is a legal surveillance site, and users voluntarily participate in gathering information, making deductions, sharing speculation, and comprehending human interests

Kiwifarms is also international, so using any internet build-a-word like "sunshining" will not carry in courts of law abroad like an ordinary commonly accepted word would. SURVEYING. Kiwifarms users engage in legal SURVEYING. It needs no further expanded clause to explain the strange word, it can't be misappropriated, and it serves as the face of what user activity consists of on this website.

my last point is that we must get over PROPER NAMES. Elon Musk is shitting his pants over people saying something like "niggSQUIRREL's name is Blake Goldstein" when no one cares. The issue is criminal activity that occurs when people grasp such information, not that the information is available to begin with. Even Kiwifarms oldfag internets about this with HIDE YOUR POWERLEVEL because there is a default assumption if people can find anything about you it may draw the IRE OF THE NETS

we must get over it no one cares about your proper name. The targeted harassments thing, gangstalking, 911 murder attempts, and other criminal action taken with information is not the responsibility of a website that is only involved with LEGAL SURVEILLANCE and SURVEYS people and human interests

thank you Null and well wishes this year


amend: I have to add that the reason many want to shut Kiwifarms down is because it is a website that documents illegal activity people have engaged in as well as imminently criminal/malicious behavior. Having access to information without distortion or gatekeeping is necessary for people to respond appropriately to could-be bad actors. This trophy (not allowing evil to hide) is why protecting Kiwifarms from legal attacks is necessary, even if that means giving up the true meaning of a word the site has brought up
 
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