Navy SEALs, Delta Force, and SOCOM general - The most "Special" groups in the U.S. Military

[karz]

Gant drank and did painkillers, brass thought he was going off the deep end with how successful he was and paid him a visit.

Bro was trying to become Lawrence of Arabia

 

[The Delta Farce]

From the same thread. Found some more SEAL Derangement Syndrome. (like lmao dude, the post is about a Delta serial rapist that the psychs apparently flagged but still was allowed in the Unit, but DEVGRU is the one who's badly policed. McPhee or Boettcher and surely others, are proof that Delta changed nothing.)

The main Delta picture thread mentioned Larry Freedman a Jewish founding member of Delta. I googled his name and came up with one of the most insane SDS articles yet by a retired General Daniel Bolger.

https://www.ausa.org/articles/outpost-life-and-death-‘quiet-professional’

Lieutenant General Frank Libutti, acting commanding general of Task Force Provide Relief, was giving a press briefing to reporters of the international press corps the day before the invasion. When asked if the expected invasion was imminent he answered, “well it is coming in the next few days.” Mo Amin, a cameraman asked, “Should we go to bed as normal tonight?” To which General Libutti replied, “I think if you go to bed tonight you might just miss something.” It was this last statement that led to over 400 journalists camping out on top of the Mogadishu International Airport and its environs.

https://sofrep.com/news/how-navy-seals-saved-journalists-from-being-obliterated-in-somalia/

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If it wasn't labeled based on their movements you would think they were random civilians with no training being victimized by a mass shooter
https://www.military.com/video/oper...ed-by-jordanian-soldier-in-2016/5522148016001

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10th Group same as the Tesla bomber

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...ivilians-killed-afghanistan/story?id=43268055

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

Lieutenant General Frank Libutti, acting commanding general of Task Force Provide Relief, was giving a press briefing to reporters of the international press corps the day before the invasion. When asked if the expected invasion was imminent he answered, “well it is coming in the next few days.” Mo Amin, a cameraman asked, “Should we go to bed as normal tonight?” To which General Libutti replied, “I think if you go to bed tonight you might just miss something.” It was this last statement that led to over 400 journalists camping out on top of the Mogadishu International Airport and its environs.

>Army General says something really stupid to bait journos and gets them endangered.
>Journos take the bait and endanger themselves by getting themselves on an active battlefield.
> They start taking photos of SEALs at night with Flash, as they are landing, making it look to the Task Force in the boats like they are taking fire.
>Boats get ready to lay suppressive fire on the journos.
>They don't get smoked because SEALs were the only ones who passed the IQ check.

Bro...

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Bro was trying to become Lawrence of Arabia

I imagine he was a bit miffed when they put an end to his drunken LARP.

 

[Kheapathic]

If anyone here has read American Spartan I'd be curious what people think of the whole story and situation with Jim Gant.

Only thoughts I have is how the GWOT was one big fucking lie. From perpetrating 9/11, WMDs, "they hate us for our freedom," they need democracy, we're nation building, and a number of other reasons that became the cause for being over there; when all we did was upset what could be called the natural order, give trillions to contractors, and safeguard the opium poppies. If there was any honesty about hearts and minds or that other shit, he'd be a case study; instead we installed child molesting warlords and punish our own for having a conscience and knowing it isn't right. I'd take his Lawrence of Arabia shit over any other sort of HeartsAndMinds™ shit that the government tried; the one thing that actually works, and nope, gotta shut that shit down.

 

[The Delta Farce]

3:21:09 Chris Fettes talks about Somalia Operation and Hostage Rescue in Afghanistan

Adam Matthews

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Matt Pranka is back on IG live and he said that the CQB instruction block in Delta OTC is 18 half-days long. Taking guys who can theoretically have no prior CQB experience. That explains a lot, if true.

 

[Kraken101]

3:21:09 Chris Fettes talks about Somalia Operation and Hostage Rescue in Afghanistan

Adam Matthews
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Matt Pranka is back on IG live and he said that the CQB instruction in Delta OTC is 18 half-days long. Taking guys who can theoretically have no prior CQB experience. That explains a lot, if true.

Prior joining the Unit, likely coming from the 75th you WILL have a bunch of CQB experience. The shock comes when you're through RASP coming from a leg or an ABN unit. It's been a long way since 15 years ago. Not mentioning the others that might came from ODAs/CTACs that are obviously locked in...

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

It's been a while since I read it, but the basic jist is Jim Gant was a green beret who decided to try a different approach with Afghanistan. He lived as they did, talked their language, and didn't disarm them (I learned Afghanistan has a bit of a 2A culture apparently). He gained a lot of respect and raised quite a communal force of tribes and tribal leaders honored him. He wrote a book of sorts about these methods and tried to get upper brass to listen to him. A journalist eventually found her way into this situation and later became his wife. Gant drank and did painkillers, brass thought he was going off the deep end with how successful he was and paid him a visit. Busted his ass for the substances among other things and were also pissed about the journalist. They basically black balled him and pulled him and his team out.

Originally the eighteens were doing the exact same thing in Vietnam and it was very successful but that doesn't get big checks written by Lockheed Martin and bombs and bullets are big business

 

[Yours Truly 2095]

Originally the eighteens were doing the exact same thing in Vietnam and it was very successful but that doesn't get big checks written by Lockheed Martin and bombs and bullets are big business

That's what I thought. People call it a Larp, but this is what green berets used to do. I think it would be a good series or movie. Honestly, get Michael Bay on it. 13 hours was a good movie.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

That's what I thought. People call it a Larp, but this is what green berets used to do. I think it would be a good series or movie. Honestly, get Michael Bay on it. 13 hours was a good movie.

I never gonna happen yes that was the original purpose of the green berets when one of my good friends was in it in the 19 70s.
They used to at least expect you to speak one or more languages now they don't

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

That's what I thought. People call it a Larp, but this is what green berets used to do. I think it would be a good series or movie. Honestly, get Michael Bay on it. 13 hours was a good movie.

Well, no offense to Jim Gant, but getting drunk and doing drugs in a Muslim country (they don't like that), and trying to "lead" them, while not speaking the language... well, I'd just say it was a bit misguided and probably doomed to fail, if we are being generous. Just dressing up doesn't cut it.

T.E. Lawrence was an archeologist with a great respect towards the culture, speaking the languages of the region, and generally being smart about the whole thing (and likely had a local young male lover, keeping with the customs)

 

[Großmann]

One thing of note, the SEALs did not compete, which is interesting and up for speculation.

This isn’t uncommon. When a SOF unit, especially the SEAL Teams, are invited to put up or shut up in front of outside units, they tend to shut up instead.

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

When a SOF unit, especially the SEAL Teams, are invited to put up or shut up in front of outside units, they tend to shut up instead.

SEALs have good snipers, and I don't think they'd be afraid to compete (in fact, they competed in later Sniper events. Look for NSW teams).

My schizo theory is that the brass they didn't want to create even more of an unhealthy relationship between SEALs, Army and other branches. SEAL Ian Fitzgerald said, that sometimes while deployed, they were sequestered and not allowed to interact with the people on base because of fears of internal rivalry and tension. Sounds really petty and immature, but perhaps they have good reasons and don't want a fights that disrupts cohesion.

 

[Großmann]

SEALs have good snipers, and I don't think they'd be afraid to compete (in fact, they competed in later Sniper events. Look for NSW teams).

My schizo theory is that the brass they didn't want to create even more of an unhealthy relationship between SEALs, Army and other branches. SEAL Ian Fitzgerald said, that sometimes while deployed, they were sequestered and not allowed to interact with the people on base because of fears of internal rivalry and tension. Sounds really petty and immature, but perhaps they have good reasons and don't want a fights that disrupts cohesion.

I’m not saying they’d be bad, but sometimes the risk of looking less than great will keep them from doing events like this.

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

I’m not saying they’d be bad, but sometimes the risk of looking less than great will keep them from doing events like this.

There's can be a lot of "soft cheating" in these competitions sometimes imo.

USASOC won the International Sniper Competition in march 2022, when it was hosted in... Fort Bragg.

Now that's really funny. If you had access to the ranges and exercises before the rest of the competition (and maybe some "secret notes" on range estimation or what are the challenges of the year) you can get a pretty good advantage against your competitors.

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2022/03/29/here-are-the-results-of-army-special-operations-annual-sniper-competition/

Results:

The complete list of team rankings is here:​

1. U.S. Army Special Operations Command

2. France

3. 20th Special Forces Group

4. U.S. Marine Corps Marine Advanced Sniper Course

5. Germany

6. 1st Special Warfare Training Group

7. 7th Special Forces Group

8. Switzerland

9. 10th Special Forces Group

10. 1st Special Forces Group

11. 75th Ranger Regiment

12. 3rd Special Forces Group

13. Coast Guard

14. The Netherlands

15. 19th Special Forces Group

16. Naval Special Warfare Seal Team 1

17. NSW Advanced Training Command

18. USMC 3rd Raider Unit

19. U.S. Secret Service

20. Italy

Now, get me a tinfoil hat, but do you notice how many of the highlighted are in the top 10, while curiously they are all stationed in Bragg?

Also, how 16 and 17, which are SEAL team 1 and DEVGRU respectively, had a similar performance but didn't get to beat NOT ONE of the units stationed in Bragg. Just a thought.

 

[The Delta Farce]

I don't think NSW Advanced Training Command is DEVGRU. It's the regular SEAL instructor cadre. It isn't necessarily cheating, just the ability to run the course before the other teams. The same controversy happens in certain clubs in USPSA where competitors show up early to get more walkthroughs before the competition.

There was a dive compeition hosted by SF on routes they dive all the time. The team from SDV won all of the physical events including the ruck march, and all but one of the dives. They came in 2nd on the last dive to a team from 7th special forces group because there was a cross current they didn't know about beforehand. Then there were a bunch of articles about how this proves SEALs should be disbanded ingorning the context and the rest of the events. There's really no incentive for them to put themselves in situations like that again.

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

It isn't necessarily cheating, just the ability to run the course before the other teams.

This is where I disagree. The purpose of this sort of competition to measure skills in a specific arena. if it tests specificity, then everyone should run it at the same conditions, or skill isn't measured equally.

Getting extra training runs in specific events ruins the purpose of measuring a skill. It just shows you trained more specifically for that scenario.

One example that comes to mind, is wall climbing competitions. If some competitors were allowed to see/train the competition holds beforehand, everyone would rightfully call bullshit.

There's really no incentive for them to put themselves in situations like that again.

Hard agree. Accomplishing missions without getting people killed/hurt needlessly is the true measure of quality I think.

 

[Yours Truly 2095]

Well, no offense to Jim Gant, but getting drunk and doing drugs in a Muslim country (they don't like that), and trying to "lead" them, while not speaking the language... well, I'd just say it was a bit misguided and probably doomed to fail, if we are being generous. Just dressing up doesn't cut it.

T.E. Lawrence was an archeologist with a great respect towards the culture, speaking the languages of the region, and generally being smart about the whole thing (and likely had a local young male lover, keeping with the customs)

He spoke fluent Farsi, he actually did have a lot of success in uniting tribes and fighting the Taliban. Bin Laden also had a copy of his paper about his strategy at his compound and knew of him and explicitly wanted him dead.

Not to be rude, but I feel like you didn't look into the actual details at all

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

He spoke fluent Farsi, he actually did have a lot of success in uniting tribes and fighting the Taliban. Bin Laden also had a copy of his paper about his strategy at his compound and knew of him and explicitly wanted him dead.

Not to be rude, but I feel like you didn't look into the actual details at all

You are right, I did not read into the details at all.

The book "American Spartan" was created by the journalist he was banging, Ann Scott Tyson, Holy lmao.


(Sold for $0.00 in kindle, double lol)

Sorry if that doesn't scream objectivity in reporting to me, and sorry if I also don't trust the word of an alleged drunk/addict Green Beret Officer and his journalist mistress. But if I'm wrong, do let me know more about the details. For now, I trust more in the word of Seth Harp.

 

[Yours Truly 2095]

You are right, I did not read into the details at all.

The book "American Spartan" was created by the journalist he was banging, Ann Scott Tyson, Holy lmao.
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(Sold for $0.00 in kindle, double lol)

Sorry if that doesn't scream objectivity in reporting to me, and sorry if I also don't trust the word of an alleged drunk/addict Green Beret Officer and his journalist mistress. But if I'm wrong, do let me know more about the details. For now, I trust more in the word of Seth Harp.

Yeah that's the bias bit about it. The book is open about their relationship immediately. It talks about some embarrassing stuff frankly. Stuff that is honestly really irrelevant at times. My own gut feeling and research at the time of reading the book a few years ago was I suspected deeper aspects of some events were left out, in general it came across as fairly transparent with the inherent bias the author has. Combined with the fact Gant isn't out there doing the Shawn Ryan show and trying to grift on X about his life and experiences. I feel the book is well worth reading. She still was there on site during large period of time. You have to balance that with her inherent bias. (Also it's $0 with kindle unlimited which is a subscription program. Amazon's illicit marketing strategy)

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

Yeah that's the bias bit about it. The book is open about their relationship immediately. It talks about some embarrassing stuff frankly. Stuff that is honestly really irrelevant at times. My own gut feeling and research at the time of reading the book a few years ago was I suspected deeper aspects of some events were left out, in general it came across as fairly transparent with the inherent bias the author has. Combined with the fact Gant isn't out there doing the Shawn Ryan show and trying to grift on X about his life and experiences. I feel the book is well worth reading. She still was there on site during large period of time. You have to balance that with her inherent bias. (Also it's $0 with kindle unlimited which is a subscription program. Amazon's illicit marketing strategy)

I feel you are being sincere, and you are right that Gant isn't out there grifting, so I do believe you when you say it may be worth reading. The main issue though, is that it's ultimately moot. Afghanistan ended in defeat, and Gant's experiment never amounted to anything (I'd have to read the book to judge the reasons as to why).

For all his attempts, and bullshit the Green Berets claim they are, Gant forgot one important thing. The Bush administration and subsequent ones didn't go to war in Afghanistan after 2001 to make a better country. The war was always an imperialistic punitive expedition against a muslim nation in response to 9/11 which lasted 20 years.

Sadly, Gant never got the memo and drank the kool-aid about "to free the opressed". Though you peaked my interest about him and will be doing a bit more research. If I find the time, I may read "American Spartan". If nothing else, I'm sure it will have funny parts.