2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

If a Palestinian and their family wanted to leave Gaza or the West Bank are there easy avenues to do so? What's the passport/citizenship situation there? Does the UN refugee status extend to families no longer living in the strip?
What's with all the x-ray photos of completely intact bullets embedded in people's heads?
In retrospect, this post was dumb. There was more evidence of these wounds than I initially realized. I guess it can't yet be proven that these were the result of IDF gunfire, but either way, it's a pretty horrible situation.
 
If a Palestinian and their family wanted to leave Gaza or the West Bank are there easy avenues to do so? What's the passport/citizenship situation there?
Yeah they can leave through jordan and or egypt. many people do.

Does the UN refugee status extend to families no longer living in the strip?
Yes. If you leave after 1948 you and your desendents are refugees. No other peoples in the world are afforded that. Refugee status for most people extends to that generation only and until they get settled.
 
In an interesting dive from the OSINT community:
The IDF has published infographics on 4 Sabra Battalion Hamas commanders they have eliminated in Gaza. Joe Truzman of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies/LongWarJournal was able to corroborate the men eliminated as being probable Hamas militants by identifying them being in photographs of the terrorist group. (https://x.com/JoeTruzman/status/1877433774151184597) (https://archive.is/Rd5Nc)
Osama Abu Namos - Sabra Battalion Commander
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Hamada Diri - Commander of Nukba Company
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Mahmoud Al Tarq - Deputy Commander
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did egypt open its border to Palestinian refugees?

No they closed it after the palestinian's kept sending hamas (The Muslim brotherhood -which is illegal in Egypt) to do suicide bombings in the Sinai, specifically mosques and hotels.

The Egyptian government knows that if they let Palestinians into the country they will use it to launch attacks into Israel.

i thought the only way palestinians could get into egypt was for medical emergencies or by paying some corrupt tourism company 2500 to 5k per person to cross into egypt
eh sounds like a visa fee LMAO.
 
No they closed it after the palestinian's kept sending hamas (The Muslim brotherhood -which is illegal in Egypt) to do suicide bombings in the Sinai, specifically mosques and hotels.

The Egyptian government knows that if they let Palestinians into the country they will use it to launch attacks into Israel.

so its still closed since 2007? Ok i was just wondering if Egypt had changed its refugee policy.

from what ive seen the reason egypt arent allowing refugees in has a lot to do with the fact that once israel annexes the palestinian territories they dont want to be left holding the bag with all the palestinians sitting in refugee camps in their country. thus the next hamas attack into israel wont come from gaza, it would come from within egypt.
 
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In retrospect, this post was dumb. There was more evidence of these wounds than I initially realized. I guess it can't yet be proven that these were the result of IDF gunfire, but either way, it's a pretty horrible situation.
I still find the X-rays super sus, even beyond the baseless claims of intentional targeting of children by IDF snipers. Why are there no skull fragments? Why are the bullets not deformed? Why is the brain matter not destroyed? I've seen people act like their factuality is proven, but all I've seen is experts saying that there's no definitive proof that the X-rays are fake and that maybe a bullet could ricochet and lose enough momentum that it could possibly penetrate a skull and not be damaged and not destroy the brain and shatter the skull. They bring up some rare examples of people being shot and discovering the bullet years (or decades) later... but what Dr Syed described was "The patients came in either dead or critical, and died shortly after arriving," so more extreme (and visible) damage is to be expected. Perhaps there is a way for a bullet to enter the head without deforming or shattering the skull or destroying much brain matter and perhaps such damage could still be immediately (or almost immediately) fatal and maybe this happened multiple times in Gaza in the one month that Dr Syed was there... but why are all of Dr Syed's X-rays like that? It has not been proven, it just hasn't been definitively debunked (but it seems very, very unlikely to me)

A comparable situation is the Patterson-Gimlin film
No one has been able to debunk it, but that definitely doesn't prove that it's not just a man in a gorilla suit walking in front of the camera, and at a certain point it's up to you to decide which is more likely. As I see it, the options are a) Patterson (who was currently filming a docudrama about Bigfoot) decided to fake some footage of Bigfoot (something he would have had to do anyway for the film he was working on) and then was so proud of the result that he decided to just try to pass it off as real or b) giant ape creatures live in the forests of Northern California and will walk out in the open, but to this day, over 50 years later and with the proliferation of cameras and drones and increased interest in Bigfoot no one else has managed to record one or found the remains of one. I do not have definitive evidence that a is true and b is not, but common sense says that a is a lot more likely.

In the same way, I don't believe that Dr Syed came across multiple children who happened to have one-in-a-million headshot wounds in a month and took X-rays of them right before they died, but didn't get a single X-ray of a child with a normal headshot wound. I believe that she had kids who had suffered wounds lie down on a bullet while she took an X-ray so she could make some Pallywood propaganda. I don't have definitive evidence that one is true and the other isn't, but one seems a lot more likely.
 
Why are there no skull fragments? Why are the bullets not deformed? Why is the brain matter not destroyed? I've seen people act like their factuality is proven
It's not an area of work I'm knowledgeable in. I'm not a ballistics expert, firearms expert or a trauma surgeon. But there are justifications for all of these points you mention. Survivorship bias does seem to be the main argument: a child with a catastrophic head injury is not going to be triaged into a diagnostic imaging unit to confirm that 25% of their brain is intact, rather than 30%. We're seeing the marginal cases where the exact nature of the injury is not easy to determine. Also the images are a single scan, which is a slice of the full stack. Some of the video footage from the Twitter/X thread shows the progression through the stack and what looks like the bullet path. As far as I can tell, this is only provided for one case. I'm assuming that the New York Times verified the original images and corresponding video footage and any supplementary images with the experts, as suggested in the reply to feedback on the article. Maybe this is naive, but they have stood by the story despite two rounds of public discordance with the piece, with no counter points other than random Twitter/X accounts with no follow-ups.

I'm with you on the bone fragments and bullet deformation, but I have no expertise in this area and so I can't really make any reasonable conclusions. Children do have softer bones compared to adults, but that's all I know.
Perhaps there is a way for a bullet to enter the head without deforming or shattering the skull or destroying much brain matter
Possibly. Again, we can't see the full trajectory from the views we are given.
No one has been able to debunk it, but that definitely doesn't prove that it's not just a man in a gorilla suit walking in front of the camera
I agree. I would say that the bullet example has more supporting evidence that converges on a more likely, but not certain, conclusion about the images. We can't know for certain that the images weren't faked, because we haven't each been shown all of the context - but not many people will have this experience in a fog of war situation. It's just a judgement based on reasonable standards of proof I guess. It's the same way that we can't accurately judge the decision tree leading to an IDF strike by only viewing the TikTok clips of the aftermath.
took X-rays of them right before they died, but didn't get a single X-ray of a child with a normal headshot wound.
A catastrophic head injury isn't going to warrant an X-ray. I guess in those cases it's more clear what injury was sustained and triage through to treatment was much quicker.
 
so its still closed since 2007? Ok i was just wondering if Egypt had changed its refugee policy.

from what ive seen the reason egypt arent allowing refugees in has a lot to do with the fact that once israel annexes the palestinian territories they dont want to be left holding the bag with all the palestinians sitting in refugee camps in their country. thus the next hamas attack into israel wont come from gaza, it would come from within egypt.
So I personally know an Egyptian officer who works on the Israeli border and he told me that the Palestinians use whatever land they are in to plan and execute terrorist attacks against Israel. Even if it is a temporary situation they will use it to launch rockets into Israel. So it half what you're saying and half what I'm saying. but Israel doesn't really need to annex (all) the gaza strip.
 
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Welp nice going ICC fags, in the end the only thing you accomplished was accelerating your own inevitable death as it becomes more obvious it's a global farce (thank god).
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Also what the hell is going on with Iran
My favorite thing are the people who do not realize that Israel is the "Lead test balloon" to America's interests. If they succeed at going after Israel, they WILL go after the USA for the same bullshit.
 
I still find the X-rays super sus, even beyond the baseless claims of intentional targeting of children by IDF snipers. Why are there no skull fragments? Why are the bullets not deformed? Why is the brain matter not destroyed?
Probably because snipers shoot centre of mass and don’t go for headshots because reality is not Call of Duty. That’s the first clue these stories are bullshit.
 
that maybe a bullet could ricochet and lose enough momentum that it could possibly penetrate a skull and not be damaged and not destroy the brain and shatter the skull.
This is also like a self-defeating justification. Unless we are literally expected to believe that Israeli snipers are playing wall-shot pool with deflected bullets, the fact such a rare case would have come from a ricochet bullet and not a direct shot implies the kid wasn't even the target in their alleged story.

So I personally know an Egyptian officer who works on the Israeli border and he told me that the Palestinians use whatever land they are in to plan and execute terrorist attacks against Israel. Even if it is a temporary situation they will use it to launch rockets into Israel. So it half what you're saying and half what I'm saying. but Israel doesn't really need to annex (all) the gaza strip.
They will use any territory to launch attacks on Israel, but places like Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and now Syria are bonus points because they can hold onto the hope of luring some other nation into their jihad against Israel.
 
This is also like a self-defeating justification. Unless we are literally expected to believe that Israeli snipers are playing wall-shot pool with deflected bullets, the fact such a rare case would have come from a ricochet bullet and not a direct shot implies the kid wasn't even the target in their alleged story.

becoming an adult means maturing and realizing that Israel isn't some big bad monster, it's realizing that Israel, like your parents were right all along.


They will use any territory to launch attacks on Israel, but places like Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and now Syria are bonus points because they can hold onto the hope of luring some other nation into their jihad against Israel.
Yeah but look at what happened to Syria, jordan, gaza, yemen and soon be Iran.
 
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Also what the hell is going on with Iran

Good. That corrupt, ultra selective shitstain of an organization needed cutting down regardless of this whole debacle. Anything that weakens or harms it and it's supposed "legitimacy" is a good thing.

What the hell is "consumption management"?
 
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