Using hallucinogenics for Psychiatric Purposes - What ate your thoughts?

[AMHOLIO]

Hallucinogenics like Psilocybin (magic mushrooms) are currently being studied to see if they have a positive effect on people who are suffering from various psychiatric conditions. Some have reported success, but further studies are needed.

Meanwhile, people like Rudyard Lynch oneshot their brains into the 9th dimension of getting fucked with substances like ayahuasca. This is from recreational use. There's also cases where it is adulterated or substituted with Hell's Bells and other more dangerous plants.

I don't have much to contribute or talk about, but since it was brought up in Rudy's thread, I think a good discussion on whether or not you think psychedelics can be put to a good use, how to regulate them, and if they should br used at all. Discuss.

 

[KingNothing]

Check out the movie Altered States

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't this specific topic been around for hundreds of years?
Like, I'm pretty sure it's been hundreds of years of this specific topic coming up in discussions multiple times a year.

 

[Grub]

Mushrooms can bring about ego death which can help with dealing with negative emotions and dealing with negative experiences at least in my own personal experience. I don't know if it's something that would be good for everyone and as far as regulating it I don't really have much idea there either. For me at least it helped with my overwhelming fear of randomly dying and just a lot of paranoia and anxiety I used to have in general. But that was after taking way too much at once and going through a fairly intense trip.

Also, salvia made me never want to play Minecraft again.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

From what I heard those things are basically a Russian Roulette on either giving you good times or frying your brain. Better just do an actual Russian Roulette and gain appreciation on life and less waste of tax payer money.

 

[Bloodthirsty Nosenigger]

LSD seems to be the most practical.
Low toxicity, large therapeutic window, with no known cases of fatal overdosing.
The potential for addiction is considered to be very low; due to tolerance, excessive use would yield rapidly diminishing effects.
There have been various studies treating cluster headaches, as well as depression among terminal cancer patients.
Messing with your brain always carries a risk, but that's equally true for commonly used pharmaceuticals.

Overall, it won't kill you. Whether it'd do any good is questionable.

 

[Omori Boy]

Meanwhile, people like Rudyard Lynch oneshot their brains into the 9th dimension of getting fucked with substances like ayahuasca. This is from recreational use.

Almost everyone who does ayahuasca are the type of people who should not take any form of psychedelic. You know the types, the type of people who think they're going on a spirit journey and think the hallucinations are anything other than that.

 

[skykiii]

LSD seems to be the most practical.

It's way too expensive on ebay. Its better to just download a disc image and run it on a Playstation emulator.

 

[I (Don't) Have A Gun]

It can potentially help in a therapeutic setting, but even that's a bit so-so in my opinion.
If anything I'd say something like ketamine therapy of even MDMA therapy would be more useful... if not for the fact that ketamine screws up your kidneys and MDMA is neurotoxic.
Psychedelics can give you interesting new insights... although that isn't guaranteed, practical what's going on is that your brain is being messed with and this can lead to new thoughts or perspectives you would not normally have had... but it can also lead to blatantly illogical thoughts as well (in fact if you've ever listened to someone acid babbling it's closer to schizophrenia). Any value that there could be is more in what you do with those potential insights afterwards, but those insights don't have to come from drug they could just come from friends, family or a decent psychologist.

 

[$5.3 Million Dollars]

The problem with hallucinogenics is that they're even less 'one size fits all' than your usual drugs. Two people can take the same thing in the same environment and have vastly different experiences. If I remember the literature right, its that hallucinogenics tend to enhance a current mood in a way similar to how some people react to alcohol, but to a much larger degree. If you think you're going to have a bad time on it, you're more likely to have a bad time. If you consider it a beneficial or even spiritual experience, you're more likely to have a good time. Your own thoughts and mindset will directly impact what occurs even at low doses, and that's both the beauty and the pain of it.

Like any drug they can be abused, and there's plenty of examples of people frying their own minds because it doesn't usually kill outright like a depressant or stimulant. People will keep taking more and more because they build up a tolerance and are certain they can pull up until the moment they find themselves in the local mental ward due to a psychotic episode.

I think they can be useful if used responsibly, I've seen people use weed for pain that never went down that path, but I've also seen people use hallucinogenics to kill their ability to think because they weren't willing to face their own demons and just kept taking more and more to avoid being fully lucid.

 

[botrix_fan]

Almost everyone who does ayahuasca are the type of people who should not take any form of psychedelic. You know the types, the type of people who think they're going on a spirit journey and think the hallucinations are anything other than that.

A Mesoamerican 6D demon that targets turbonormies

 

[AMHOLIO]

Almost everyone who does ayahuasca are the type of people who should not take any form of psychedelic. You know the types, the type of people who think they're going on a spirit journey and think the hallucinations are anything other than that.

That's my opinion too. That is my main takeaway, along with don't do srugs if your family has a history of schizophrenia or other bad mental illness.

It's way too expensive on ebay. Its better to just download a disc image and run it on a Playstation emulator.

And if you get it on disc, you have to factor in possible disc rot.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't this specific topic been around for hundreds of years?
Like, I'm pretty sure it's been hundreds of years of this specific topic coming up in discussions multiple times a year.

Something like that. But no dedicated KF thread and that's why this is here.

 

[AMHOLIO]

https://www.vice.com/en/article/to-the-withcraft-plant-thats-spoiling-ayahuasca-tourism/

@AMHOLIO

Thank you, adding this here & to OP!

 

[A Distant Northern Land]

The potential for mushrooms or LSD to possibly help someone (presumably in a controlled environment and after evaluating family history for risk of schizophrenia) is way too much to shut it down entirely as an avenue of medicine. The evidence for SSRIs and the chemical imbalance theory of depression is increasingly scrutinized IIRC, and with millions of people on shit cooked up in the 50s and 60s I don’t mind people trying other things. The obvious solution is to exercise, change things up, get the basics in life done, etc isn’t stopping millions of people a year getting diagnosed with a mental illness.



I’d much rather have to deal with annoying people who feel enlightened from their once a quarter trip than dying in a pileup on the highway because mommy drank her Bloody Mary with a Zoloft and an ambien at brunch.

 

[Mortan Shekelstorm]

Might work for edge cases but I don't see it working for people who have been bounced around from med to med in and out of the ward. It honestly seems like some people are just destined to unravel either based on genetics, upbringing, drug use etc. I've known people having great results and people going mad with psychedelics. It's a mixed bag depending how the person reacts to the drug, their state of mind and even their own expectations can be the difference between a fun or beneficial experience, to going down the road of ending up like Syd Barrett. From personal experience I don't recommend going down that road

 

[Omori Boy]

A Mesoamerican 6D demon that targets turbonormies
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I'd consider myself a turbonormie, and now I have never taken any psychedelics (which I'm totally down for) but I'd imagine it's pretty easy to not go insane by having the mindset, before, during, and after that what you will/are/were seeing/experiencing is just that, a figment of your imagination. That's why they go nuts, they think that what they are going to experience isn't just a hallucination, but a reality.

 

[Kim]

Weed makes you gay and mushrooms go one step further and make you a tranny.

People are playing with fire when they take hallucinogens to cure bad mental health, they're already in a bad place mentally which is like the number one thing to avoid when taking them.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

its mostly bullshit, remember all the amazing cures we'd get from weed once it was legalized? remember Charlotte's web?

like microdosing studies found out it was just bullshit for weed and shrooms. the fact that even the "pro" legalization experts when asked about microdosing shrooms says that people should only take it every other day at maximum tells you its probably more dangerous than good.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

remember Charlotte's web?

Charlotte died from pnuemonia. not full spectrum CBD oil. She went from having 300 grand mal seizures a week to 2-3 a month thanks to Charlotte's web. People with Dravet syndrome rarely live past the age of 10 because of the seizures.

 

[schzo]

I think most people are better off going straight edge (including no smoking, no alcohol, etc.). You'll learn some self-control and won't ever depend on substances to help you, which may or may not fuck you up even more.

This is coming from a normal person who's only dealt with situational depression/anxiety though