Culture Why We Shouldn’t Say ‘Men Are Trash’ — A Radical Feminist Perspective - No, it’s not because it’s “not all men”. 20 year old has this gender shit all figured out yo.

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“The personal is political,” Carol Hanisch wrote, in challenge to nuclear family values. This phrase has later broadened its applications to being used on topics regarding abortion, domestic abuse, spousal rape, and women’s sexual liberation.

“Revolution does not begin in the streets. Revolution begins in the head, and in the heart,” Laurie Penny wrote in Sexual Revolution, effectively encapsulating why the phrase “Men are trash” has been so successful. Women, all around the world, are becoming more conscious of the political nature of their personal experiences.

Women begin to frame their body-image issues as a byproduct of patriarchal and capitalist socialization of the commodification of the self for male-consumption. She learns to embrace her desires without feeling like she is “disgusting” or “overtly sexual”. She realizes that she does not owe men her body and emotional energy in exchange for security and protection.

“Men are trash” functions as exactly that: not an attack on all men, but as a tool for mental liberation. A woman decides that she would no longer be the person men label her as, because by devaluing the judgment of the audience, the performer decides the quality of their own performance.

But despite feminist awareness, men still contribute to our self-conception

As Hegel writes in the Phenomenology of Spirit, “Self-consciousness exists in itself and for itself, in that, and by the fact that it exists for another self-consciousness; that is to say, it is only by being acknowledged or ‘recognized’.” In other words, self-conception does not exist in a vacuum.

But the result of this is that people have a disproportionate amount of power over our self-worth. This leads people to want to objectify others — to negate their selfhood so that they would have no power to dictate others.

In The Politics of Recognition, Charles Taylor argues that recognition is a necessary condition for positive self-esteem. “Within these perspectives, misrecognition shows not just a lack of due respect. It can inflict a grievous wound, saddling its victims with a crippling self-hatred. Due recognition is not just a courtesy we owe people. It is a vital human need,” he asserts.

The idea of other people viewing us differently from the way we view ourselves is so jarring exactly because self-esteem is contingent on social recognition. The need for recognition is not a vanity play, but a prerequisite of being able to function normally in society.

The patriarchy is hell — but so is the craving for social acceptance

Sartre’s famous saying, “Hell is other people!” was popularized by his play, No Exit. In his play, three characters go to hell. To their surprise, hell is just an empty room. There are no Catherine wheels, brazen bulls, or torture racks. But in fact, hell is other people. The three characters — Joseph, Inez, and Estelle — all need validation from one another and deny another person’s validation.

Inez sees Joseph as a coward for betraying the political resistance group he was a part of before he died, but begs for Estelle’s attention due to her affections towards her. Estelle thinks Inez is overbearing but begs for Joseph’s love. Joseph begs for Inez’s validation that he is not a coward, while mistreating Estelle and using her for sex.

The point Sartre is trying to illustrate is that we derive our self-conception via the lens of others. In the play, Inez constantly tries to look at herself from Estelle’s eyes — literally. Estelle thinks that Inez is admiring her beautiful eyes, but in reality she is fixated by her distorted reflection on her pupils.

Do you see me the way I view myself? Is a question everyone secretly asks during the rawest, intimate moments.

As much as we try to deny it — and I certainly have, having spent my preteen years worshiping Germaine Greer’s The Female Eunuch and Valerie Solanas’ SCUM Manifesto (SCUM standing for ‘Society for Cutting Up Men’) — there exists a “pick me girl” within every heterosexual woman. Some women just recognize and isolate this instinct, while others are not yet aware of how social constructions contribute to their desires.

Nonetheless, desires are still desires. And the only way to get rid of a desire is to indulge in it. Just like how Joseph begs for Inez’s validation while disregarding Estelle’s — because he has already discredited her under the assumption that she is just promiscuous — we also beg for validation, which could not be fulfilled because we have already discredited the person we desired it from.

Are we using #NotAllMen politically or personally?

“Though we adore men individually, we agree that as a group they are rather stupid,” Mrs. Banks for Mary Poppins astutely noted. It baffles me how I, myself, can hate men so much yet crave for their affection. Right before writing this essay, I was just reading romance novels written by women, for women.

The popularity of romance novels is a testament to how reality falls short of expectations. It’s a craving for something real, amidst a “real” world inundated with woman-hating pornography, perfunctory romantic gestures, reluctant submission, painful diets, and fake orgasms.

I don’t know whether the fact that fictional characters can have more depth than the men who tried to romance me says more about the author’s capabilities or the bleak state of the love economy dictated by swipe-rights and heavily edited thirst traps.

Indeed, as a group, men are trash. But there is a thin line between the personal and political, and more often than not they blur into one another, and we can’t tell which is which. Or maybe they are both fundamentally inseparable concepts, regardless of the application. Or perhaps they are one and the same, with the latter constituting personal grudges and desires applied to the science of organizing society as a whole.

But as a person who has internalized “men are trash” for as long as I can remember, it is genuinely difficult to remember that there are good men out there, no matter how statistically improbable they are.

After enough responses against “not all men” Tweets, it does take genuine effort to recall that there is a distinction between, “Not all men; I feel offended at #MenAreTrash and therefore I will not listen to your legitimate concerns about how the patriarchy affects your lives,” and “Not all men; this one is a good one.”

The semicolon makes a difference.

Men are not trash — the concept of masculinity is

Another reason why we shouldn’t use #MenAreTrash, is that it is a cop out. Too often, I hear men excuse their bad behavior as something biologically determined. “Men are by nature sexual creatures,” he says, “so it makes sense that it is the woman’s responsibility to regulate the way she dresses.”

Arguments of this nature appeal to biological determinism. The idea is that men are biologically determined to be of a certain sort, and therefore it removes all accountability to improve their behavior. Sociobiology also states that societal norms are a result of biological factors instead of arbitrary social constructs — but how true is this?

I find it amusing how misogynists readily self-flagellate, essentially agreeing with the idea that men are animals with a propensity towards dominance, violence, and sexual perversion. In such contexts, they will wholeheartedly agree that men are trash. According to them, biology dictates that they cannot change their fundamentally rotten nature.

It was such a commonly touted argument that I believed it for a long time. I was convinced that I would abstain from marriage because the conclusion of this argument would be that all men are secretly horrible; some just hide it better than others.

It’s also the easiest thing to believe, just to fall into hopeless nihilism: Nothing can ever change and all we could do is learn how to accept the way things are. Accepting this belief, I would no longer have to exert effort trying to change the way my male peers think, which was indeed an exhausting and tedious effort.

But as Laurie Penny wrote in Sexual Revolution, “When men do shitty things to women, they don’t do it because that’s the way men are, but because that’s the way men feel, and men have been permitted very few ways to manage their emotions that are non-violent.”

She adds, “If the behaviors commonly understood as masculine were really so natural, they would not have to be enforced with violence.” In other words, men would not have to grow up being told to ‘man up’, to have to ‘get’ girls, or to ‘stop being a sissy’.

Modern masculinity is a wreck. It assumes that violence and dominance are imperative in male sexuality, and therefore must be a substantial part of male identity. It teaches young boys that to get girls they need to be the type of man that can bully a girl into submission — so that she will open her legs for his ‘access’, as if sexuality is a resource to plunder.

It’s Social Darwinism applied to the fundamental human craving for intimacy. It’s another way of saying, be a man — a certain type of man — or else no one will choose you. Anyone growing up with this imperative will reasonably throw away instincts more biologically entrenched than dominance and violence, that is: empathy, compassion, love, and sincerity.

As Laurie Penny perspicaciously noted,

“The personal is not only political. It is also historical, economic, and material.”
 
Nope. No place is safe. Not this one, certainly. I repeat what other men say on a thread.... and I GET BLOCKED ON THE THREAD. Fucking bullshit, really. Is this REDDIT?
They want to muzzle and enslave us all, and the moronic handmaidens just keep defending men. Defending men until they're gone. Really sad.
You are legitimately mentally ill due to excessive internet use.
 
Nope. I'm talking facts. The bullshit online becomes reality very quickly, unfortunately. I defend myself and I get blocked in a thread, on fucking Kiwifarms? Every place is like reddit. There is no safe place for women. NONE.
Have you tried www.ovarit.com? It’s radfem Central afaik.
 
Nope. I'm talking facts. The bullshit online becomes reality very quickly, unfortunately. I defend myself and I get blocked in a thread, on fucking Kiwifarms? Every place is like reddit. There is no safe place for women. NONE.
I don't know, sis. I feel pretty safe, in general. I even pick up hitchhikers, sometimes, if they're going the same way I am.
 
Nope. I'm talking facts. The bullshit online becomes reality very quickly, unfortunately. I defend myself and I get blocked in a thread, on fucking Kiwifarms? Every place is like reddit. There is no safe place for women. NONE.
A "safe space" for you is not a place where you can post your paranoid fear that all men want to rape, kill, and enslave all women without anybody telling you that you're insane and paranoid. It's therapy. Turn off the computer and go to therapy.
 
“The personal is political,” Carol Hanisch wrote, in challenge to nuclear family values. This phrase has later broadened its applications to being used on topics regarding abortion, domestic abuse, spousal rape, and women’s sexual liberation.
We've been in a loop of this "nuclear family values challenged for the first time" shit for over a decade. there is a point where it just turned into white noise, but i can't really pinpoint the exact moment when that occurred. This entire article reads like some incel type stuff but filtered through the "everything is political" social media talking heads scripts. I think I could write an article like this while unconscious with how much I've seen them show up online. Shit's background noise and that's not a good thing for obvious reasons. Just pure constant misery inducing misery type shit.


Nope. No place is safe. Not this one, certainly. I repeat what other men say on a thread.... and I GET BLOCKED ON THE THREAD. Fucking bullshit, really. Is this REDDIT?
They want to muzzle and enslave us all, and the moronic handmaidens just keep defending men. Defending men until they're gone. Really sad.
My post pointing out your BS in that thread got deleted and I was wondering why your blatant insane ramblings weren't. I now see you were thread banned and are bringing it into other threads, please stop/calm the fuck down.
Every place is like reddit. There is no safe place for women. NONE.
You are unironically acting like a redditor. Fear mongering about shit unrelated to fucking anything and jumping between threads saying the same fucking shit. "safe spaces" are actual reddit shit.
 
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My post pointing out your BS in that thread got deleted and I was wondering why your blatant insane ramblings weren't. I now see you were thread banned and are bringing it into other threads, please stop/calmthe fuck down.


You are unironically acting like a redditor. Fear mongering about shit unrelated to fucking anything and jumping between threads saying the same fucking shit. "safe spaces" are actual reddit shit.
You all know you can just ignore the uppity kitchen appliance, right?
 
This literally all boils down to these women's refusal to see men as full sexual beings, capable of having their own desires. Seeing the sexual revolution as something that only applies to women. They literally think we have to act like 1950s men, trying to court them like they're the virgin girl next door; and not the strong independent sexually liberated woman, they scream they are. They ask "Where's my knight in shining armor," refusing to admit they killed chivalry decades ago. Thinking they are entitled to the very same social rules around dating their ideological progenitors called outdated and oppressive to women. They deserve to be miserable.

I was convinced that I would abstain from marriage
I wouldn't call it abstention, but I get you have to protect your ego.

She was reading this nonsense as a "preteen?" I find that difficult to believe.
Oh, you better believe it. Some women are so miserable they distribute this type of "literature" to any girl they can to corrupt them. To make them miserable as well. Go to any feminist account on X, and ask for any feminists resources/books, and get bombarded by mountains of feminist theory. Same can be said about any site feminists congregate on.
 
Oh, you better believe it. Some women are so miserable they distribute this type of "literature" to any girl they can to corrupt them. To make them miserable as well. Go to any feminist account on X, and ask for any feminists resources/books, and get bombarded by mountains of feminist theory. Same can be said about any site feminists congregate on.
It's less just women specifically and more a whole like sub group of people who are wealthy and well educated but unhappy from what I've seen. Instead of trying to figure out exactly what and why they're in the situation they are they try finding some scapegoat and then it devolves into weird shit that becomes an intergenerational chain reaction of parroting ill informed grudge based mantras.

You all know you can just ignore the uppity kitchen appliance, right?
You know you can just say they're retarded without calling them a kitchen appliance, right? Last I checked my forks and spoons didn't start going off on Francis E. Dec level rants about cyborgs and handmaiden enslavement shit.
 
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Wait, you guys don’t have a backyard mass grave of dead trannies and niggers you dissolved in acid to thwart identification?
no mass graves, we usually grind them up in our basements to make pepperoni

Oh, you better believe it. Some women are so miserable they distribute this type of "literature" to any girl they can to corrupt them. To make them miserable as well. Go to any feminist account on X, and ask for any feminists resources/books, and get bombarded by mountains of feminist theory. Same can be said about any site feminists congregate on.
that's barely scratching the surface
there are entire university departments dedicated solely to propagating this thinking and indoctrinating students with it
it's not simply a case of picking up crazy shit on the internet, this stuff is taught by reputable institutions of higher education
 
We've been in a loop of this "nuclear family values challenged for the first time" shit for over a decade. there is a point where it just turned into white noise, but i can't really pinpoint the exact moment when that occurred.
Agree, I don't know when it happened either, but, at some point between 2008 and 2015, it just became accepted conventional wisdom that this great oppression matrix had descended and you weren't even allowed to ask for cited proof.
 
We've been in a loop of this "nuclear family values challenged for the first time" shit for over a decade. there is a point where it just turned into white noise, but i can't really pinpoint the exact moment when that occurred. This entire article reads like some incel type stuff but filtered through the "everything is political" social media talking heads scripts. I think I could write an article like this while unconscious with how much I've seen them show up online. Shit's background noise and that's not a good thing for obvious reasons. Just pure constant misery inducing misery type shit.



My post pointing out your BS in that thread got deleted and I was wondering why your blatant insane ramblings weren't. I now see you were thread banned and are bringing it into other threads, please stop/calm the fuck down.

You are unironically acting like a redditor. Fear mongering about shit unrelated to fucking anything and jumping between threads saying the same fucking shit. "safe spaces" are actual reddit shit.
Why you’re shilling for men while also posting in the “man hate” thread makes zero sense to me. Nothing I’ve said has NOT already been said by males on multiple threads here, and by men in various other platforms. Someone else mentioned femme bots in the US politics thread first, and I was banned for following that discussion. It’s bullshit. But do go on and keep shilling for them.
My issue is that if I am dogpiled, I keep replying. The same men who agree with my basic statement don’t want women to know about it or speak about it. We’re supposed to plug our eyes and ears and muzzle ourselves to the push for a transhumanist future.
Plenty of men hate the nuclear family, too. They don’t want to be “tied down to blown out pussy for life”. Anarchists want to women to birth children as part of some amorphous harem-polycule:… where men are not expected to have any responsibility toward their offspring whatsoever. I think that’s sick, and it’s just opening the door to child predation, but then I get told I’m a “feminazi” for saying THAT.
 
Why you’re shilling for men while also posting in the “man hate” thread makes zero sense to me. Nothing I’ve said has NOT already been said by males on multiple threads here, and by men in various other platforms. Someone else mentioned femme bots in the US politics thread first, and I was banned for following that discussion. It’s bullshit. But do go on and keep shilling for them.
My issue is that if I am dogpiled, I keep replying. The same men who agree with my basic statement don’t want women to know about it or speak about it. We’re supposed to plug our eyes and ears and muzzle ourselves to the push for a transhumanist future.
Plenty of men hate the nuclear family, too. They don’t want to be “tied down to blown out pussy for life”. Anarchists want to women to birth children as part of some amorphous harem-polycule:… where men are not expected to have any responsibility toward their offspring whatsoever. I think that’s sick, and it’s just opening the door to child predation, but then I get told I’m a “feminazi” for saying THAT.
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This isn't the man hate thread, this is A&N. What are you smoking? Crack?
 
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