Religious survey Round 2

[Sargon's wife's son]

The last one had too many forms of protestantism so I separated them out into low and high church protestantism
I don't care about Muslims and those spats about the different sub factions they all basically believe the same things theologically

also I do not consider reformed Jews and remotely Jewish sorry when you take out every single fundamental part of your religion you're just putting on a costume party.
Also don't feel like getting on to all the different forms of Judaism when it comes to talmudic versus non talmudic.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Can you add Hiloni Judaism? It's pretty much the majority of Jews in Israel that neither go full religious, but aren't as heretical as Reform Judaism.

 

[Patrick Not-Star]

Where is Scientology?

 

[Karen of Human Resources]

Atheism and spiritual but not religious should be separate.

I'm not spiritual. I think religiosity is silly, but so are tarot and healing crystals.

We are not the same. Though saying that, it's already one of the most voted for categories so doing it now may skew the numbers.

 

[$5.3 Million Dollars]

tarot and healing crystals.

I thought that'd be the new age/wicca option for the magic new age woo? I figured "Spiritual but not religious" also encompassed syncretic beliefs and people who lacked a full commitment to a denomination in their faith.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

I thought that'd be the new age/wicca option for the magic new age woo? I figured "Spiritual but not religious" also encompassed syncretic beliefs and people who lacked a full commitment to a denomination in their faith.

Nope that was just me being a prick new ages refer to the crystal weirdos spiritual but not religious so literally people who treat religion as and religious institutions as a social club

Can you add Hiloni Judaism? It's pretty much the majority of Jews in Israel that neither go full religious, but aren't as heretical as Reform Judaism.

Nope orthodox and conservative Judaism and my interactions with actual Jews in the real world are the only actual people who take the religion seriously believing in the ethics of a religion without believing in a higher power makes you an atheist with extra steps

 

[Mister Baranavichy]

I've been a member of my congregation for some time, but mostly due to fear only recently am I starting to actually have a role as an active participant.

The way it's always been described to me is as "a self-enforced journey of personal growth and forced seclusion, aimed at nurturing both the collective of the Church and the individual needs of the soul, one family united under God, bound together by both endurance and faith."

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Nope orthodox and conservative Judaism and my interactions with actual Jews in the real world are the only actual people who take the religion seriously believing in the ethics of a religion without believing in a higher power makes you an atheist with extra steps

Nah dude that's complete bullshit. Hiloni still have Brit, Bar Mitzvah, rabbi led weddings, traditional funerals and Shivah, Practice all the holidays (some to the letter like not eating unleavened bread), and a lot of other religious laws that don't border on autistic "can't drive on Saturday to vacation because that's considered work".

It's like arguing that anyone not living Amish style lives aren't Christian.

 

[Karen of Human Resources]

I thought that'd be the new age/wicca option for the magic new age woo? I figured "Spiritual but not religious" also encompassed syncretic beliefs and people who lacked a full commitment to a denomination in their faith.

It could be that too admittedly.

It is possible to technically be an atheist, but still believe in magic and the supernatural. Therevada Buddhism for instance.

Someone who rejects the supernatural entirely, including deities, is an atheist but also a materialist or a positivist. Though terms like that rarely get used, it shows there is a core difference between someone like Christopher Hitchens and a monk like Sariputra. Both were atheists, but one believed in magic, dharma, samsara etc.

People I've met who self-describe as spiritual could be new-age, people who believe loosely in some higher power but more often it has been "I believe in a God, but not the God of any of the organised religions". Again, not what we generally consider as atheists, as much as the devout may not like their concept of God.

Catholics who don't practice their beliefs still generally self-identify as Catholics. Or even when someone rejects their background outright, it's "ex-muslim" more often than anything else.

Similar with the Jew label. Jews aren't not Jewish just because they don't believe in Yahweh. I defer to both the Rabbis and the Israeli state's concepts of who is a Jew, and neither of them are linked to a particular dogma or statement of faith. Just because you're a bad Jew, doesn't mean you're not a Jew.

A lot of words to say the terms are unclearly defined and sometimes overlap really!

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Where's non-denominational?

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

Where's non-denominational?

One I ran out of options and two your Protestants

 

[Caralho]

Astaghfirullah he didn't even include salafism smh

 

[Fapcop]

Can you add Hiloni Judaism? It's pretty much the majority of Jews in Israel that neither go full religious, but aren't as heretical as Reform Judaism.

Eh… They are by definition NOT religious.

Basically the same as any Jew in LA who goes to their synagogue of satan once a year to celebrate INSERT WHATEVER HOLY DAY, but spends all of their waking hours talking about Muh troons and Muh refugees.

Hiloni Jews are the Israeli equivalent of a Euromutt whose only religious expression is that he celebrates Christmas.

It could be that too admittedly.

It is possible to technically be an atheist, but still believe in magic and the supernatural. Therevada Buddhism for instance.

Someone who rejects the supernatural entirely, including deities, is an atheist but also a materialist or a positivist. Though terms like that rarely get used, it shows there is a core difference between someone like Christopher Hitchens and a monk like Sariputra. Both were atheists, but one believed in magic, dharma, samsara etc.

People I've met who self-describe as spiritual could be new-age, people who believe loosely in some higher power but more often it has been "I believe in a God, but not the God of any of the organised religions". Again, not what we generally consider as atheists, as much as the devout may not like their concept of God.

Catholics who don't practice their beliefs still generally self-identify as Catholics. Or even when someone rejects their background outright, it's "ex-muslim" more often than anything else.

Similar with the Jew label. Jews aren't not Jewish just because they don't believe in Yahweh. I defer to both the Rabbis and the Israeli state's concepts of who is a Jew, and neither of them are linked to a particular dogma or statement of faith. Just because you're a bad Jew, doesn't mean you're not a Jew.

A lot of words to say the terms are unclearly defined and sometimes overlap really!
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Username def checks out.

Look, it’s not super complicated. “Jew” is a race/identity as well as a religion.

You can be an atheist Jew, a Christian Jew or a Buddhist Jew. And yes, a Jew-Jew.

In this case the poll is about religion, so you click who you worship, not based on whether your mom was Jewish or not.

 

[Max Caulfield]

There's no option for my specific schizophrenic idealogical sludge.

 

[The Evil Midnight Bomber]

The option for agnostic stoicism is missing.

 

[Necrosan]

Would Satanism count as a cult? Asking for a friend.

 

[Karen of Human Resources]

You can be an atheist Jew, a Christian Jew or a Buddhist Jew. And yes, a Jew-Jew.

But by the same token above you can be "Spiritual but not religious" and belive in a deity, and "Spiritual but not religious" and not.

It seemed relevant because the most voted for label at the moment includes atheists as well as non atheists. I don't think it is improbable that unbelievers are one of the more frequent viewers of this site, but that number is probably going to be inflated by people who do believe in a God and for who this belief affects their behaviour.

Similarly you're going to get Jews voting one way or the other. OP has deemed Reform and Hiloni Jews to be Atheists, and while some are many of them aren't. They're going to inflate either the Spiritual But Not Religious Catagory/Atheist, which seems silly if they do attend synagogue and follow some doctrines, or they're going to put Orthodox and neckbeards here will worry that the secret NWO rabbinate glowies walk among them /.s

For many, perhaps even most, of the worlds religions faith and ethics are not essential components. For Christianity and Islam, certainly. But while Buddhism has ethics, it doesn't particuarly have as strong an emphasis on faith. Chinese Folk religion has an element of "Trust me bro", but their deities haven't really ever been especially interested in what you do.

Then you've got outliers like Shinto where neither faith nor ethics are essential components, and ritual for the sake of ritual, stands out.

 

[Kyle Parson]

Can you add Hiloni Judaism? It's pretty much the majority of Jews in Israel that neither go full religious, but aren't as heretical as Reform Judaism.

Whenever someone points out Jews sabotaging the non-Jewish world (feminism, World Economic Forum, Israel sabotaging it's allies for the fun of it), it is almost always done by a Reformed Jews, or if it is not Reformed Jews, than it is a group even less religious (but still Jewish) than that.

 

[AnsemSoD1]

Me and my family are about to go to church in a few hours so take a guess.

 

[The Spoils of War]

I am an atheist.