Religious survey Round 2

What's your religion

  • Orthodox Christians

    Votes: 10 10.5%
  • Mormonism

    Votes: 3 3.2%
  • Islam

    Votes: 4 4.2%
  • Orthodox Judaism

    Votes: 6 6.3%
  • Low church Protestant Quakers, Penteoostals, and Methodists, , and Presbyterians congregationalist

    Votes: 10 10.5%
  • High church Protestants Anglicans Lutheran Moravian

    Votes: 2 2.1%
  • Spiritual but not religious/atheism

    Votes: 25 26.3%
  • Shintarism/way of heaven

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • Buddhism

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • Hedonism /Asatro

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Greco-roman /Greek paganism

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • New ages star children Wicca

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Esotericism /occultism esoteric hitlerism aleister Satanism

    Votes: 4 4.2%
  • Hinduism/ Jainism/ Sikhism/

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Catholic

    Votes: 23 24.2%
  • Other paganism Egyptian slavic paganism Indian paganism South American paganism North American paga

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • Philosophical religions platonism egoism Taoism Confucianism nietzschea

    Votes: 4 4.2%
  • Druidry

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Zoroastrianism

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • You're literally in a cult please explain below

    Votes: 1 1.1%

  • Total voters
    95
I’ve always felt that any spiritual journey is invariably a journey of the self and the exploration of the esoteric which can only be carried out with one’s self. Granted, philosophical belief sets feel greatly divorced from religious ones and I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive. Someone could be a practising Christian and still also observe and practise the teachings of Confucianism for instance. Taoism is by definition a religion, but Nietzschea or egoism are philosophical ideas and not religious or dogmatic belief sets nor do they provide a moral framework. Even Platonism was used as a way to describe the Holy Trinity, it is not exclusive to religion. Esoteric works or ideologies aren’t really religions but are adaptable attitudes and new perspectives. No philosophy requires faith, commitment, reverie, congregation, or worship. It feels like asking what your favorite scientific field is and then including art studies as a science.
 
It is possible to technically be an atheist, but still believe in magic and the supernatural. Therevada Buddhism for instance.
There's a vast difference between being an atheist and being part of a non-deistic faith. Bhuddism is a religion, it has dogmas, it has a supernatural understanding of the world, it has concepts like Hell, saints, and more, one cannot be a Bhuddist while at the same time being an atheist. It's an oxymoron.
Then you've got outliers like Shinto where neither faith nor ethics are essential components, and ritual for the sake of ritual, stands out.
That's because the consumerism characteristic of post-WW2 Japan (and the authoritarianism of the State Shinto that preceeded it) basically hollowed out any actual belief in Shinto. It's functionally as dead as roman paganism but just with orders of magnitude more people who claim to follow it.
 
I thought that'd be the new age/wicca option for the magic new age woo? I figured "Spiritual but not religious" also encompassed syncretic beliefs and people who lacked a full commitment to a denomination in their faith.
Tarot and crystals are new age, which is just a modern version of Victorian spiritualism.
 
There's a vast difference between being an atheist and being part of a non-deistic faith. Bhuddism is a religion, it has dogmas, it has a supernatural understanding of the world, it has concepts like Hell, saints, and more, one cannot be a Bhuddist while at the same time being an atheist. It's an oxymoron.
Atheist and non-deistic are different words for the same experience.

Buddhism is not a monolithic belief system either, which is why I chose a school like Therevada that is atheistic. It isn't the only one, Zen is probably the most famous in this aspect, but to come onto your next bit.

In the schools of Buddhism that do have what westerners commonly call "Deities", what Buddhists call deities or saints are not a 1:1 like for like to Christian/Islamic mythology. If anything, they're closer to Norse mythology. Gods are very long lived, but they are mortals. They die.

A Buddhist deity is trapped in Samsara just like every other living thing. Like Mormons, a good human can become a God. But (unlike Mormons) a bad God could become an ant next time. This, quite common concept of polytheism in Buddhist countries like Tibet, is hardly equivalent to a Muslim belief in an eternal singular deity.

Similarly, the Bodhisattva (Saints) are not subservient to deities. They're super-humans and Buddhism generally promotes the idea that humanity is superior to divinity because Gods find it harder or cannot obtain enlightenment. Again, another belief that doesn't align well with Western theism and "Ethics and faith go hand in hand". The Buddhist saints are not God, creators or anything like "The one God" in other religions.

It's quite easy to be a Buddhist and reject belief in "a God". The Buddhists who do believe in deities also generally don't believe they're infallible, omniscient or all good; and don't tend to attach a particular set of dogmas to them either.

That's because the consumerism characteristic of post-WW2 Japan (and the authoritarianism of the State Shinto that preceeded it) basically hollowed out any actual belief in Shinto. It's functionally as dead as roman paganism but just with orders of magnitude more people who claim to follow itit.
Be that as it may, it is still hard to suggest this isn't the main traditional religion of the Japanese people.

As someone not of European heritage, I found the idea that a God can be three but yet one very strange. I similar found the idea that a God can be the creator of all, even evil, and still be all good an oxymoron but that clearly isn't a barrier for most Christians/Post Christians.

Atheism isn't typical of post-Roman Middle-Eastern religion true, but theism is not typical of non-western religions. Even where Westerners have slapped the term "God" on terms like Kami, Shén etc: these entities do not possess all, or sometimes any, of the traits a theist would expect a God to have.

These "Gods" are neither all good or all bad. They eat, they fuck, they can make mistakes and they die. All concepts foreign to the idea of a Western "God".
 
Lots of weird gatekeeping over what is and is not a valid denomination/faith e.g. Reform Judaism, modern Shintoism, etc. etc.
Welcome to religion.

More seriously the problem comes down to how much you make the religion a part of your life, which is heavily tied to how you are raised. Is simply believing in the ideas of the religion are enough and there's no need for ceremony and minor religious laws, or does that make your belief basically feel good spiritualism.
 
What if you suspect (not believe) that the god of Abraham, if it's real, is an ancient blood god that farms life. That we are it's harvest.
What do you call that? Provided you don't worship it, because that would be bananas.
 
Astaghfirullah he didn't even include salafism smh
if I go over all the different forms of the head chopping religion I'd be here all daySimilarly you're going to get Jews voting one way or the other. OP has deemed Reform and Hiloni Jews to be Atheists, and while some are many of them aren't. They're going to inflate either the Spiritual But Not Religious Catagory/Atheist, which seems silly if they do attend synagogue and follow some doctrines, or





you are by definition atheist if you do not believe that your religion has a divine fire behind it.
As someone who was both a reformed and an orthodox Jew I can confirm that orthodox and conservative Jews the only one who actually believe in the religion.
Yes I'm one of trump's chosen people.

The reason I left Judaism is because I generally think it's a false religion I don't think you can argue with someone who's all knowing and all seeing.

Whenever someone points out Jews sabotaging the non-Jewish world (feminism, World Economic Forum, Israel sabotaging it's allies for the fun of it), it is almost always done by a Reformed Jews, or if it is not Reformed Jews, than it is a group even less religious (but still Jewish) than that.
I actually agree with this sentiment when it comes to the Jewish question orthodox Jews really don't support left wing causes.

Bit miffed that 'not religious but spiritual" and 'Atheism' are lumped together
that is 100% the same thing if you treat your religion like a social club and you believe in spirituality but you're not religious you are by definition just as annoying as an atheist .

Mormons are really the only distinct form of Christianity and whether or not they're Christians is debatable

Lots of weird gatekeeping over what is and is not a valid denomination/faith e.g. Reform Judaism, modern Shintoism, etc. etc.
I used to go to a reformed synagogue cause a friend of mine invited me then she got to give the service because the rabbi was out who was a woman and a gay they did have a lot of good ice cream and food afterwards though.

Reform Judaism is just a bunch of people pretending to be Jewish as a social club if you were born Jewish you are not necessarily Jewish Judaism is not an ethnic group it's a religion.

If you violate all the tenants of Judaism just like if you violate all the tenants of Christianity you neither Jewish or Christian it's like Muslims who drink you're specifically not allowed to drink in Islam.

Just like there's no such thing as cultural Christianity

What if you suspect (not believe) that the god of Abraham, if it's real, is an ancient blood god that farms life. That we are it's harvest.
What do you call that? Provided you don't worship it, because that would be bananas.
That sounds a lot like Gnosticism which fell out of favour and is basically considered heretical by every denomination of Christianity and even Jews considered heretical and Muslims it's the one thing all abrahamic faiths can agree on.
But that would fall into the category of new age religions or occultism
 
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Atheism isn't typical of post-Roman Middle-Eastern religion true, but theism is not typical of non-western religions. Even where Westerners have slapped the term "God" on terms like Kami, Shén etc: these entities do not possess all, or sometimes any, of the traits a theist would expect a God to have.

These "Gods" are neither all good or all bad. They eat, they fuck, they can make mistakes and they die. All concepts foreign to the idea of a Western "God".
As the residual meme magic/Nietzschean esoteric Hitlerist Kekomancer, let me tell you that western gods did that shit too. Or are you categorising Zeus as asian?

Or you never heard of him?

Most gods were humanlike gods. Few are the lovecraftian entities of well... Lovecraft or Abrahamic ones, who are more forces of nature/alien intelligence than human, something that works outside of human reasoning.
 
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Are you asking what people were baptised into or what they actually believe?
I’d also like a non-dom Christian option. I was baptised in a very old fashioned high Anglian church, and the actual one I was baptised in is still old fashioned but I do t live there any more, and I’m pretty unhappy with how the Church has moved recently.
I guess I’m a filthy CoE by baptism, there’s a lot about their current year manifestation I dislike, but neither orthodox nor Catholic quite speaks to me either.
Why isn’t there a church that’s just very simple and old fashioned?
 
Needs a non-denominational Christian option.
We're not the same as Catholics, orthodox, evangelicals--you get the idea.
 
As the residual meme magic/Nietzschean esoteric Hitlerist Kekomancer, let me tell you that western gods did that shit too. Or are you categorising Zeus as asian?

Or you never heard of him?
"Post-Roman". I labelled it that because I'm explicitly referring to the concept of God that has dominated the West and Middle-East for almost two millennium now. During this time period, even the most wild deviations from mainstream practice like Gnosticism with additions to the cast of supernatural powers like Yaldabaoth and Sophia hasn't wandered too far from the main focus of faith being some ethereal, intangible, unknowable being of light.

Zeus fucked, but I think the Jesus-stans would have quite a lot to say if we intimated that big J did.

Although it was present during, and before, the Roman period Platonist abstract Overgods that could only be described in negatives, what they aren't, they only really entered wider consciousness or Mass Consumption during Late Antiquity. Things like Serapis, amalgamations of several deities to represent one-above-all, were contemporaneous with Christ but were not the most followed cults.

Even Henotheistic-inclined (that is to say, deities who desire to be the main or sole object of worship, while acknowledging that other divine powers exist: a halfway point between polytheism and monotheism) like Mithras only has small cults. Sometimes, like Mithras, that was entirely intentional.

The "God of the Philosophers", the abstract, Lovecraftian, they who is beyond space, time, reality, perception etc has become the mainstream, perhaps even only, way to view God in the Western world since the end of the Classical age.

Elsewhere in the world the predominant concept of a magical being that humans can petition for intervention does exist; but what I was getting at is that these persons are not a "deity" as understood when people tend to use the word God in the West.

After all, while Jesus died he was (depending on who you ask) doing other things like busting open the gates of hell, watching himself from his other two persons of the Holy Spirit/The Father, chilling in heaven etc and ultimately decided to come back for a bit. The idea that God or Allah can be out of action, or absent entirely, is a 404 error in Western Theology. It isn't so strange elsewhere.
 
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Needs a non-denominational Christian option.
You will low church Protestants whether you like it or not non denominationalism is from the same strain of thought.

I generally thought everyone in Kiwi finds would be a lot more Protestant surprised that the majority of people are Catholic how the hell did we get so many damn Catholics on the site
 
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I thought that'd be the new age/wicca option for the magic new age woo? I figured "Spiritual but not religious" also encompassed syncretic beliefs and people who lacked a full commitment to a denomination in their faith.

Pretty much every religion is syncretic in some way if you look back enough and especially in any place where alot of different people mix.
Christianity itself took from dozens of cults in Late-Antiquity Rome and from various celtic/germanic traditions. Nevermind all of the stuff mixed in from Latin America natives and the rise of 19th century occultist stuff.

I bet you just can’t wait for renewed total Christian cultural dominance, so it’ll be cool and edgy to be atheist again, eh?

I have even worse news for Christians.

Christianity in the future will take two forms: Prosperity Gospel grifters who think you should pray over cheques in exchange for cancer cures and uber-tolerant progressive Christians that do not even recognize the Bible as sacred.
The religion will degenerate into something understood as purely transactional or as meaningless "live, laugh, love" platitudes.

Christianity will win, but it will be a vehicle for catastrophe.
 
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