Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Weltraumfürst]

My biggest gripe with AotC is the special effects. TPM was a perfect blend of practical effects and CGI, but the overreliance on CGI really hurt AotC and RotS. The diner scene, the droid factory, the arena fight and the battle of Geonosis really stand out in that regard. They looked uncanny and cartoony back then, and they didn't age too well, either. I mean, fine, I guess Dexter had to be CG, but why the clones?

And before anyone says anything, yes, I know that AotC has a lot of physical props, sets and miniatures. That doesn't invalidate my point.

I will also say that RotS aged a lot better in that regard.

 

[GlupShitto]

My biggest gripe with AotC is the special effects. TPM was a perfect blend of practical effects and CGI, but the overreliance on CGI really hurt AotC and RotS. The diner scene, the droid factory, the arena fight and the battle of Geonosis really stand out in that regard. They looked uncanny and cartoony back then, and they didn't age too well, either. I mean, fine, I guess Dexter had to be CG, but why the clones?

And before anyone says anything, yes, I know that AotC has a lot of physical props, sets and miniatures. That doesn't invalidate my point.

I will also say that RotS aged a lot better in that regard.

It's because George was impressed by the uniformity of the Special Edition clones as opposed to how wonky all the Stormtroopers were in the OT (seriously, those costumes were utter dogshit).

Anyway in more important news, the Jedi Power Battles port is adding a playable Jar Jar. I know Aspyr has a god awful track record, but I can't not love that they're adding new content to a nearly 30 year old shitty licensed game.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Another thing I have a problem with AOTC is that it need some reshoots to address the complete 180 Padme had with suddenly falling in love with Anakin near the end of the film because of what happened.

1. Telling the guy that won’t stop flirting and creepily looking at me and confessed to killing innocent women and children Tuskens that any relationship we would have will destroy our careers and dreams.
2. ???
3. I’m starting to have feelings towards Anakin, who just confessed to killing a village of Tuskens, and now in love with him.

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

Lucas’s hubris was a reason the prequels turned out the way he did. They are Lucas without any wranglers and limitations he faced during the making of the OT. Not having Fox executives have creative input wasn’t enough for him at the time because he had technical and budget limitations regarding the effects of his vision and people wrangling him so his ideas are in placed.

Look, I’m all for independent filmmaking, I just wish George swallowed his pride and had people help him wrangle his writing and execution.

Da fuq you guys on about? Lucas co-wrote AOTC with Jonathan Hales, who I blame for all the milady nonsense.

 

[Ghostse]

Another thing I have a problem with AOTC is that it need some reshoots to address the complete 180 Padme had with suddenly falling in love with Anakin near the end of the film because of what happened.

1. Telling the guy that won’t stop flirting and creepily looking at me and confessed to killing innocent women and children Tuskens that any relationship we would have will destroy our careers and dreams.
2. ???
3. I’m starting to have feelings towards Anakin, who just confessed to killing a village of Tuskens, and now in love with him.

I think the impression it wasn't she fell in love with him over the course of the movie, it was she was always in love with him but was trying not to be because of his desire to be a Jedi and knowing it could never work out. She gave up the pretense when they were about to die.

At least that's the impression I got from Portman's performance. She's a good actress.

 

[Screamer_2]

I thought ATOC in 4k on the cinema screen looked perfectly fine. The CGI is now just what it is in the film, doesn't distract. One aspect of CGI though is that often it looks worse outside of the format it was made for. The way the detail works in a large format, gets lost when scaled down and put in a new format. That probably happened with ATOC when we all got used to seeing it on DVD and blu-ray.

One thing I am kind of surprised that George didn't factor into the prequels was a pipeline in the VFX to be able to update the CGI years later. For someone who liked to tinker, it kind of seems like an obvious thing to do.

 

[Judge Holden]

goddamn it we've hit another time loop in this thread again

To be fair it is significantly more interesting and worthwhile relitigating the prequel trilogy for the fifty thousandth time than discuss whatever the fuck is allegedly going on the franchise in currentnow, let alone whatever the fuck kind of future the sequel era has.

Almost like there is more to talk about a trilogy which tried to make the universe bigger and the story more complex than a trilogy which rendered the franchise down to explicitly a couple hundred assholes on like 6 planets tops with the most generic fucking rehash story and narratives imaginable

Niggas can spend literal months arguing about the motivations and complexities of fucking count dooku and his importance on the wider setting. I could not pay people to even pretend to give two shits about General Hux or whatever the fuck he is supposed to be called, nor the gambling planet which magically controls all war in the galaxy.

The prequels had passion and vision, that unfortunately wound up outstripping capability or competence in many occasions

The sequels had consultants and focus groups, and assumed that capability and competence could be replaced by artificial hype and brand loyalty, along with a hefty serving of smearing anyone who voiced criticism as some flavour of degenerate bigot

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

I watch all three, with rifftrax. Mike and the Bots make the movies watchable. Mike making a dip recipe while Windu and Sheev are fighting is probably one of the funniest parts. If I'm feeling really nostalgic I'll play the MST3k theme before watching them.

Yeah tbh 99% of the time I watch any Star Wars in the past ten years is when it comes on the rifftrax cytube channel, the other 1 is other random "ooh, that's on" also from cytube

I think the last time I actually intentionally watched a star war from start to finish was ep4 on some comfy rip of an old 16mm print

 

[Godzilla@1989]

I think the impression it wasn't she fell in love with him over the course of the movie, it was she was always in love with him but was trying not to be because of his desire to be a Jedi and knowing it could never work out. She gave up the pretense when they were about to die.

At least that's the impression I got from Portman's performance. She's a good actress.

Too bad Portman got regulated into a glorified plot device in Revenge of the Sith.

 

[The handsome tard]

The Skeleton Crew's quality is irrelevant, nobody was going to watch it. Why? Simple

The Star Wars brand's reputation has been destroyed, possibly forever and Disney has no one to blame but themselves. No one cares about Star Wars anymore, not the veterans and much less the "new audience" that only love whats trendy at the moment because thats how their dopamine rotten brains work.

there is really nothing Disney can do anymore as even if their products suddenly become good, it has legit reached a point where working on a star wars project may actually be fucking bad for your career. TO GO FROM THE BIGGEST SCI-FI FRANCHISE IN THE WORLD TO HAVING TO THINK TWICE BEFORE BEING IN A PROJECT OF SAID BRAND IS A CULTURAL CRIME WORTH OF LEGIT REMOVAL OF THE IP FROM ITS IRRESPONSIBLES OWNERS.

And its not like it matters, Disney will never really let go of this IP. They will gladly destroy IPs but never let them go short of government intervention.

Man, I remember seeing this as a second grader right before Revenge of the Sith came out and this hyped me up.

It’s appalling that none of the Star Wars cartoons have managed to peak like this.

Sometimes less is more and I could buy the Anakin we see in this mini-series was the transition between Ep 2 Anakin to Ep 3's as he does has a visible growth in behavior and even appearance. He had this vibe of a young but tortured warrior who wants to do the right thing but has these human desires for love and power that are pulling him towards a dark path. A path that is wonderfully told by imagery alone in that cave sequence, without a straight showing anything familiar until the very end.

Also the clones in this mini series were a force to be reckoned with and the fact that we never saw their faces gave them an air of inhuman effeciency, that they may be made of flesh but they were like organic machines the Jedi should be glad were on their side...

Too bad Portman got regulated into a glorified plot device in Revenge of the Sith.

Padme is given more to do in the deleted scenes as she is part of the growing group of senators who are going to make a move against Palpatine if he doesnt resign from his emergency powers. Most of the members are going to be the future heads of the rebellion so it did help to plant the seeds and explain where did they come from.

There is also a scene where some of said senators are having a conversation with Palpatine to sort of see where they stand in what he intends to do once the Separatists have been dealt with and Anakin is standing right behind him in a very Vader like enforcer position.

 

[Screamer_2]

I assume there's a lack of crossover with a typical Star Wars fan and Disney+. Skeleton Crew is actually decent, I don't get why Star Wars fans wouldn't check it out if they had Disney+. So I have to assume Star Wars isn't enough for people to subscribe. Whoever subscribes don't care.

 

[The handsome tard]

I assume there's a lack of crossover with a typical Star Wars fan and Disney+. Skeleton Crew is actually decent, I don't get why Star Wars fans wouldn't check it out if they had Disney+. So I have to assume Star Wars isn't enough for people to subscribe. Whoever subscribes don't care.

That and, you know, no one cares for Star Wars anymore. At least Disney's Star Wars.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Also the clones in this mini series were a force to be reckoned with and the fact that we never saw their faces gave them an air of inhuman effeciency, that they may be made of flesh but they were like organic machines the Jedi should be glad were on their side...

I definitely agree. We know they were clones of Jango, but without seeing their faces, there is a sense of mystery surrounding these organic killing machines.

They also made the Jedi Council cool and interesting as we get to see various members show off their individual traits and talents.

Also, there was no contradictions to the established lore: like Obi-Wan having a ex girlfriend. I’m sorry that is still stupid of Filoni to do that.

 

[GlupShitto]

I assume there's a lack of crossover with a typical Star Wars fan and Disney+. Skeleton Crew is actually decent, I don't get why Star Wars fans wouldn't check it out if they had Disney+. So I have to assume Star Wars isn't enough for people to subscribe. Whoever subscribes don't care.

I think it's because regardless of quality, Skeleton Crew reeks of DEI with the mutt lead, its treatment of white people (the elephant is supposed to represent white people), the chink robot bitch, and the stunning and brave female. The election showed that the world has had enough and that nobody wants anything DEI ever again. Also nobody in today's day and age where everything has to be borderline pornographic to appeal to gen z is going to watch a show with a bunch of unfuckable characters. If this were animated and the kids were white, I think it'd have a fan following because of the lolicon defense. I suspect the Harry Potter reboot is going to encounter a very similar issue unless the adult characters are sexed up.

 

[The handsome tard]

I definitely agree. We know they were clones of Jango, but without seeing their faces, there is a sense of mystery surrounding these organic killing machines.

They also made the Jedi Council cool and interesting as we get to see various members show off their individual traits and talents.

Also, there was no contradictions to the established lore: like Obi-Wan having a ex girlfriend. I’m sorry that is still stupid of Filoni to do that.

iirc, he did had a "fling" with a girl as a padawan. But thats it

 

[GlupShitto]

On the topic of Harry Potter, I think that had Skeleton Crew come out fifteen years ago and had a white cast, we'd definitely be seeing Emma Watson style countdown timers for these kids.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

I watch all three, with rifftrax

That's how I watch the Hoilday Special

 

[Nameless One]

So vindicating. We weren't fully robbed now that Battlefront III (wii) leaked, and seems to be a more complete build vs the 360 alphas we had. This is the best Star Wars related thing to happen in a long time imo. Especially for the droughted gaming side.

The dates are wrong but still stands.
Now for what we'll never officially have but WILL instead have slop in their place:

A trilogy that never was would be Republic/Imperial/Rebel Commando. They were all planned at once during RC's development but it was shelved. Early conceptual art exists for Imperial and Rebel commando but its very hard to find at least on Joogle. Rebel Commando's only art I once had was a painted poster design with space, a Y-wing and the cast of the game which was a Wookie, an alien and humans, I think.
These companies have this treasure trove of unfinished or planned videogame ideas that could make fans happy, but choose to greenlight shit like Star Wars Outlaws instead. Why are they so fucking retarded? Why is the Star Wars IP so woefully mishandled? Because the people in charge at Lucasfilm and Disney don't give a shit.
People say that "Gaming is dead" a lot but they probably never suffered what a star wars gaming fan has when it comes to being consecutively robbed of games that sound awesome compared to what we have.

 

[Adamska]

Besides missing key development meetups with LucasFilms, I've also heard that Lucas himself didn't really like Battlefront III's story all that much either, so he was more willing to can it and may have used the excuses of the devs were slow and put too much money into Haze instead of III like it was earmarked.

It's still funny though to see Disney and EA absolutely fucking fail to do anything with the IP after shitting on and cancelling a lot of almost-dones.

 

[Pentex]

James Mangold's ‘Star Wars' Movie Is Set 25,000 Years Before ‘Phantom Menace' So That It's Not ‘Handcuffed by Lore': Then ‘You Can't Please Anybody'​

James Mangold, who just picked up a Directors Guild of America nomination for "A Complete Unknown," recently told MovieWeb that his upcoming "Star Wars" movie is deliberately set thousands of years before any other movie in the long-running franchise so that he doesn't have to deal with the canon and can thus avoid angering fans. Mangold's "Star Wars" movie was officially announced in April 2023.

"The ‘Star Wars movie would be taking place 25,000 years before any known ‘Star Wars' movies takes place," the director told MovieWeb. "It's an area and a playground that I've always [wanted to explore] and that I was inspired by as a teenager. I'm not that interested in being handcuffed by so much lore at this point that it's almost immovable, and you can't please anybody."

Mangold told io9 last year shortly after his involvement in a "Star Wars" movie was revealed that his project would center on the origins of the Force and how it was "understood, wielded and harnessed" with a vibe similar to Biblical epics such as "The Ten Commandants." He said then that he was not interested in "holding so much lore in the air that you can hardly tell a story."

Lucasfilm has not provided any updates on Mangold's "Star Wars" movie outside of his involvement behind the camera. While Mangold is an Oscar contender this year for helming the Bob Dylan biographical drama, he is no stranger to major Hollywood franchises as the director behind "The Wolverine," "Logan" and "Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny."

Mangold spoke to Variety in 2023 ahead of the release of the fifth "Indiana Jones" adventure and said bluntly that he was "not interested" in crafting any spinoffs from the movie because "the amount of lore and Easter eggs and fan service starts to become antithetical to any of this stuff at a certain point. It isn't storytelling anymore. It's large-scale advertising."

In an interview with Rolling Stone last year, Mangold suggested he wouldn't join the Marvel Cinematic Universe mainly because it's so weighed down by lore and canon these days.

"It's weird that I've even worked in the world of IP entertainment because I don't like multi-movie universe-building," Mangold said at the time. "It's the enemy of storytelling. The death of storytelling. It's more interesting to people the way the Legos connect than the way the story works in front of us."

"For me, the goal becomes, always, ‘What is unique about this film, and these characters?'" Mangold continued. "Not making you think about some other movie or some Easter egg or something else, which is all an intellectual act, not an emotional act. You want the movie to work on an emotional level."

Mangold's "Star Wars" movie does not yet have a release date.

https://variety.com/2025/film/news/james-mangold-star-wars-movie-handcuffed-lore-1236270341/

https://archive.is/jYy9G

I don't trust anyone who thinks lore is a shackle restraining 'their creative brilliance' rather than a trust they have received from previous creators and a foundation to build on.

Kathleen won't allow anything Star Wars related to not be trash and Mangold, like Abrams, is one of Kennedy's lapdogs.