Live updates: Brush fire burns in Pacific Palisades as Santa Ana winds blast Southern California - Live video at link

can you faggots stop schizoposting for five seconds and actually post updates instead of quoting bible verses or blaming insurance conspiracies for all of this? Save that retardation for after the fires go out and the thread is near dying, not when people are still in active danger ffs

the winds have changed yet again, now blowing the Palisades fire northeast-ish (and also blowing against it, somewhat. You can see the little dark blue line in the left image-- that's where the two opposing winds are meeting). Eaton is being pushed purely south, which would be worse off had it not just spent the last few hours retreading burnt land.
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Palisades and Eaton are still barely a quarter-percent contained. Neither have moved from 11% and 27% respectively since the morning. Great job, LA.
 
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That's why we say archive everything.
In did. In paper format. It took 5 months. It was absurd. That's just 1 firm. That shit wasn't ANYWHERE on the internet (actually I think that case made state headlines maybe once... hmm). You need the info on the inside. Unless you were lucky like me and it was just a job, you won't understand the scale of the problem for these things and be privy to seeing the scale of money wasted on bad ideas all the time by corporations.

Unless you get good with malware.

I don't see wikileaks doing anything nowadays, it is probably time?
But wait, these orgs are now in deep with AI and tech too.
But that also could be their fatal error and single point of weakness. :^)

Did someone say System Shock?
 

In ‘a mass erasure of heritage,’ numerous historic landmarks lost in L.A.​

Will Rogers’ ranch home. Pasadena Waldorf School. Robert Bridges House. The Bunny Museum. Andrew McNally House. Theatre Palisades. The Zane Grey Estate.

The Palisades and Eaton infernos have laid waste to more than 30 structures considered historic in what preservationists believe is the single worst loss of such properties in the region’s history.

“It’s staggering and heartbreaking — I don’t know any other way to put it,” said Ken Bernstein, principal city planner at Los Angeles City Planning’s Office of Historic Resources. “This is widespread destruction of significant architecture and places that are cherished in our communities.”

The tally could grow, perhaps dramatically, as an accounting of the losses continues. Though institutions including the Getty Villa were saved, the fates of many other notables — such as several influential mid-century Case Study Houses built with Arts & Architecture magazine’s sponsorship — remain unknown.

The Los Angeles Conservancy said Friday afternoon that 32 properties it considered historic because of their architectural or cultural significance were claimed by the fires, which have destroyed or damaged more than 9,000 structures.

Some of the historic buildings, including Altadena’s Zane Grey Estate and Rogers’ Western-style Palisades home, had formal landmark status on the National Register of Historic Places or another list. But others, such as Fox’s Restaurant in Altadena and Theatre Palisades, were considered important in part because of their status as beloved community spaces.

“It is a mass erasure of heritage,” said Adrian Scott Fine, chief executive of the Conservancy, a nonprofit dedicated to historic preservation. “We haven’t seen anything like this before.”

In some cases, notable properties are severely damaged but not obliterated, including Gladstones, the seaside fish restaurant formerly owned by the late L.A. Mayor Richard Riordan, according to the Santa Monica Mirror. In the Altadena foothills, much of Zorthian Ranch burned, including artwork by founder Jirayr Zorthian. But two buildings of the artists’ colony were spared, said Jason Deach, a ranch hand who visited the site Thursday.

“Every other thing is gone, wiped from the map,” he said.

Some institutions have already vowed to rebuild — among them the Bunny Museum in Altadena, which featured quirky but seemingly irreplaceable collections of porcelain figurines, artwork, clothing and other items depicting rabbits. The Lake Avenue museum lost roughly 46,000 objects.

“We are losing these touchstones — physical places in the world that mark our intellectual history,” said Richard Schave, a preservation advocate and co-founder of Esotouric, a cultural tour service.

As natural disasters grow increasingly intense amid climate change, preservationists said they face a new, and foreboding, challenge. The losses from the week’s fires have highlighted a fundamental shift in the field.

“The quintessential historic preservation threat of the 20th century was symbolized by the bulldozer demolishing individual historic structures or communities for urban renewal,” Bernstein said. “Today, it’s the extreme climate event. Wildfire, sea-level rise and extreme winds pose not incremental threat but constant threat of widespread destruction of our most cherished historical and architectural landmarks.”

Eaton fire obliterates ‘esoteric knowledge’​

Some of Altadena’s notable properties, Zorthian Ranch and the Bunny Museum among them, tell the story of the community’s long-standing role as a haven for free spirits, mystics and counterculture figures.

Their destruction, Schave said, amounts to an erasure of regional history tied to “raising social consciousness to affect positive change.” He and his wife, Kim Cooper, the other founder of Esotouric tours, were particularly upset over the loss of the Theosophical Library Center.

The Lake Avenue facility housed the largest collection of materials related to Theosophy, a modern religious movement that counted writers such as William Butler Yeats as devotees and was influential among later New Age belief systems. “That was a repository of esoteric knowledge,” Cooper said.

The library contained 40,000-plus titles and the archives of the Theosophical Society. The collection, Cooper said, accounted for “the cultural ideas that formed this visionary Southern California spirituality.” The Theosophical Society did not respond to interview requests.

Other notable losses in Altadena include its homes. The Andrew McNally House was built by the eponymous mapmaking impresario who co-founded publisher Rand McNally. Constructed in 1887, the Queen Anne-style mansion, privately owned, was on the National Register of Historic Places.

The house was known for its so-called Turkish room, an ornately decorated octagon that Cooper said was “one of the most beautiful spaces in the world.”

Not far from the McNally property, the Zane Grey Estate is in ruins. Co-designed by famed architect Myron Hunt and built in 1907, the house was long the residence of its namesake owner. Grey was the author of “Riders of the Purple Sage” and many other works of western fiction.

“Grey was very important in terms of being a literary figure and [the house was] significant architecturally,” Fine said. He added, disconsolately, that a restoration of the property had been “nearly complete.”

Historical devastation on the coast​

As with Altadena, the Palisades lost a mixture of privately owned historic properties and famed public spaces, perhaps none more beloved than Rogers’ ranch home.

The 31-room residence, built by the vaudevillian-turned-movie star in the 1920s, was situated within Will Rogers State Historic Park. The home has served as a museum, housing a collection of artwork, western memorabilia and a library centered on Rogers.

The California State Parks system, which oversees the property, said it saved certain items, including art.

“They saved some of the interior features and some of the collection, but not much,” Fine said. “That is an epic loss. You can’t talk about the Palisades without talking about Will Rogers.”

Bernstein mourned the fate of the Palisades’ Business Block, a Spanish Colonial Revival shopping plaza from 1924. Television footage showed the Sunset Boulevard property almost fully leveled, though some architectural features remained intact.

He called the trapezoidal building, listed as an L.A. Historic-Cultural Monument, “the earliest commercial heart of Pacific Palisades.”

A representative of the development did not respond to a request for comment.

Bernstein and others said that it will take time to catalog all the destroyed historic structures. He said that his office would eventually update a citywide survey of historic places — searchable online via the HistoricPlacesLA database — to reflect the losses.

The information, he said, will help preservationists, property owners and others understand “both what we lost and what we may still have the opportunity to help revitalize and recover.”

There has long been an old saw about Southern California: It’s a region too willing to bulldoze its history in the name of progress. These days, observers may question the accuracy of that maxim — preservationists have made great strides in recent decades — but a devastating new truth has emerged amid the ashes this week.

A firestorm has done what no bulldozer could do.

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When does the rainy season start in LA?

Because all those fire-denuded hills are going to get muddy and slidey when the rains come.

I'm sure the angry lesbian girlbosses have a solid plan for that though.
Should have started back in December. We up the coast also have much the same rainy season, December to maybe the first of April. Haven't seen any meaningful rain in at least a week, nothing in the present forecast until after Inauguration Day. Looks like the same down there. This year looks to be a La Nina year after two El Nino years, when we get more precipitation than usual.

We voted money to build reservoirs, etc., to catch the rains, especially the atmospheric rivers. Not one thing has been built, and for that we can blame Newsom, politicians, and environmentalists. Sadly, doubt this catastrophe will get anything going unless President Trump can intervene.

Shit, the mudslides may be the least of the problems. Least mudslides are pretty straightforward. Watch what's already happening with the various insurance companies. Even after reinsurance, the bill will be something heretofore unimaginable. Expect rebuilding to take at least ten years to complete. This is a catastrophe on multiple levels, levels we may not even realize yet.
 
Again, you aren't willing to fight fires, that makes this opinion worthless. Pick up a fire rake, then we will talk.
People did and they might go to jail because of it.
This year looks to be a La Nina year after two El Nino years, when we get more precipitation than usual.
Speaking of, my local meteorology department started to limit their El Nino prediction coverage literally this year, probably because of a drastic increase in insurance premiums.
Climate change is an insurance issue now.
And they will grossly exaggerate those issues to justify their legal cases and their premiums.

A situation where people are uninsured and with which these corps could cause something that:
- increases premiums, and
- increases the necessity of insurance and the buying of insurance
must be a god send to them.
Add that to think tanks exaggerating climate issues and you have essentially a giant con to sell people nothing that could ever properly use. You have the perfect snake oil operation.

Isn't Finance just lovely?
It really is the left's best friend now.
It sells them their own garbage for a premium. Like a cult.
 
Some of the historic buildings, including Altadena’s Zane Grey Estate and Rogers’ Western-style Palisades home, had formal landmark status on the National Register of Historic Places or another list. But others, such as Fox’s Restaurant in Altadena and Theatre Palisades, were considered important in part because of their status as beloved community spaces.

Oh no, not Will Roger's house! As an Oklahoman, he was like, the only notable famous thing from our state (well, aside from the OKC Thunder. & Tornados. & the ballerinas & the Oklahoma musical...)
 
"from your perspective is there anything the state could've done better or faster?"
"I'm very self critical"
"we will take a sober and reflective look at that"
"just in the last few years... we've close to doubled the investments in calfire" - But the city of LA cut by $17 Million
"16 new helicopters"
"7 C130s"
"Saturday prepositioned in 6 counties hundreds of engines"
"overwhelming winds"
"I happened to be present at"
"12,000 personal currently working"
"people from around the world giving us resources"
16 times the helicopters.
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"from your perspective is there anything the state could've done better or faster?"
"I'm very self critical"
"we will take a sober and reflective look at that"
"just in the last few years... we've close to doubled the investments in calfire" - But the city of LA cut by $17 Million
"16 new helicopters"
"7 C130s"
"Saturday prepositioned in 6 counties hundreds of engines"
"overwhelming winds"
"I happened to be present at"
"12,000 personal currently working"
"people from around the world giving us resources"

He just can't admit to having not been prepared. Tells you how prepared he was, after the city cut funding. Electric companies never upgraded their infrastructure. They've needed to build new water reservoirs for years. Fire hydrants that were empty. Then he tells you about all the people that came riding in to save his state. What an absolute failure.
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I read today that California voted for municipal bills in 2009 earmarking billions of dollars to repair and expand their reservoirs. But in 16 years since then the city has not done a single thing towards that effort despite taking taxpayer money to do it. Which is amazing. Just like the California train fiasco.
 
Niggas have been pulling down statues and renaming schools for five years now, but suddenly erasing someone's heritage is a bad thing when it happens to them. Cry into your ashes.

Referring to @Breadbassket's post which I can't reply to.
Honestly, that's irrelevant.
What is relevant is this.
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Another LA Mayor involved and he had his shit spared by the inferno.

But I can go further.
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He must have had interesting connections to people in Finance.
I can see why they spared his property more than others. Could be a personal interest to a financial admin somewhere.
To me it's a potential lead.
Newsom was hard on the insurance shit. I thought this was unusual for a democrat. Democrats are plenty deep with some financial/insurance firms. But maybe not all if you get me.
I think Newsom thinks republican leaning finance firms are involved somehow. That explains the Trump badgering. Maybe this shit negatively impacted the finance related lobbyists closer to Democrats and Newsom.

A war of insurance? A war of real estate too perhaps?
He seemed legit mad about the empty reservoir. Like it fucked him over personally. Like he was sabotaged.

Remember, Trump is a real estate tycoon.
 
Still want to know why the offer of help from the FDNY was declined.
I am dying to hear why they held up the convoy of Fire Trucks and Fire fighters from Oregon in San Francisco for 3 days for Environmental and Safety" inspections? That should result in every government bureaucrat involved being publicly hung.
 
Woody Guthrie, Garth Brooks, and Gordon Cooper?
None of those people are mentioned on our State's post cards, or High School football team banners:

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Still want to know why the offer of help from the FDNY was declined.
Probably some dept. rivalry bullsh!t, like how the FBI and the ATF don't get along. Or how cops call firefighters "land pirates".
 
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