Why do people here think violent video games are free speech but porn isn't?

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

So I've been posting facts in the politics thread about how the government uses violent video games like Call of Duty to warp our brains into killing for Israel, and this seems to get a lot of people upset. I noticed the "people can distinguish fact and fantasy" argument came up a lot. But this is the exact same argument that people use when you tell them that porn should be banned. It is also is frequently used by people who think loli and shota content are free speech.

I used to use this same argument, since I used to be a cucked civil libertarian and thought that even content I didn't like should be legal as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. But then I realized that porn is damaging to the mind and a gateway drug for even worse things. The Christians who told me that when I was younger turned out to be right about it. And now that I think about it, the same argument correctly applies to all media in general. I'm glad in recent years many people have realized the same thing.

So why are we all still stuck in 2005 when it comes to other harmful content that alters the mind? Study after study shows that violent video games and movies affect the brain of younger people. We know for certain that subversive messages in the media can affect vast swathes of the population like how gangster rap helped destroy the black community, so the idea that people can distinguish fact from fantasy is more aptly "very few people can distinguish fact from fantasy". Many serial killers and mass shooters were big into violent movies and video games. The US government funds Call of Duty to desensitize people to shooting Israel's enemies and made a game called America's Army to recruit teenagers.

Now I don't think this sort of content should be banned, and arguably even porn shouldn't be entirely banned (but loli and shota should), but children should not have uncontrolled access to this sort of content for the same reason we don't let kids drink or smoke. It must be consumed only under the right supervision. And the subversive messages the government, megacorporations, globalists, and communists put into these products should definitely be forbidden. The latter is the main problem, but for some reason a lot of people aren't willing to entertain the idea that the government is warping our minds with violent media even as they decry how porn is so damaging.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

They're real violently angry from not cumming.

 

[Smegward]

because halo doesn't turn you into a tranny

 

[Legalize Asbestos]

This time around - with age verification.

It always seemed very stupid to me that people made/make fun of 'content warnings' used by an oversensitive Left - without grasping that age-gating content is very much something we want to see on the Right. I guess the only real evolution here is we've all learned that the average person is too retarded to heed the warnings, and we no longer trust Joe and Jane Sixpacks' free wills to not debase themselves.

In the USSR you simply weren't allowed to make mass media unless you went through the education system and submitted it all to the censors. On the one hand it delayed and retarded all media. On the other, it kept a degree of decency that was much appreciated.

'When goodness retreats, morality advances.
When morality withdraws, the law steps forward.'

 

[McMitch]

They want to larp as trad-cath or they want to blame the Jews, simple as.

The rest of your post is a little retarded.

like how gangster rap helped destroy the black community

Gangster rap didn’t destroy the black community, it was a symptom of an already destroyed community. What destroyed it was fifty years of voting democrat, with policies that destroyed the family unit and removed the appeal of personal success through government handouts.

And the subversive messages the government, megacorporations, globalists, and communists put into these products should definitely be forbidden.

They largely were until Obama made it legal for the government to propagandize to US citizens.

Honestly, the only effective solution is better, more involved parenting. But we’re three, almost four, generations deep into participation trophies. You can’t expect others to do the work, and you shouldn’t expect anyone to force it.

In the USSR you simply weren't allowed to make mass media unless you went through the education system and submitted it all to the censors. On the one hand it delayed and retarded all media. On the other, it kept a degree of decency that was much appreciated.

Imagine claiming to be right-wing but lacking the cognitive dissonance to think the USSR’s censorship program was good either in theory or practice.

 

[The Tall Man]

So why are we all still stuck in 2005 when it comes to other harmful content that alters the mind? Study after study shows that violent video games and movies affect the brain of younger people.

Is the problem in the West that Westerners are too disagreeable and assertive and willing to use violence to get their way, or is that Westerners are cattle who will comply to the point of facilitating their own extermination?

More violence would be a good thing.

What destroyed it was fifty years of voting democrat, with policies that destroyed the family unit and removed the appeal of personal success through government handouts.

What destroyed the Black community was Blacks. The Democratic party of the USA did not make Afrika a shithole it was Blacks.

They largely were until Obama made it legal for the government to propagandize to IS citizens.

Do you think it’s acceptable when a group not directly working for the government, like Hollywood, pumps out propaganda? Or do you believe propaganda wasn’t really a thing in the USA before 2009?

 

[Penis Drager 2.0]

The two competing factors at play are vulgarity and value. Both of these are subjective to a degree but essentially what these people are saying is violent video games are generally less vulgar and/or more artistically valuable than porn.

They may have an argument here as violent games tend to use violence as a vehicle to convey a message (even if that message is "die for Israel") whereas porn is typically sexual deviancy for the sake of sexual deviancy.

 

[draggs]

So I've been posting facts in the politics thread about how the government uses violent video games like Call of Duty to warp our brains into killing for Israel

If only! The Middle East would have been peaceful for three generations now if only this were true, we wouldn't have stopped the Joos from putting a hurting on the Arabs so bad they finally gave up the three times Israel was in a position to do so and we told them stop and they listened to us, and we wouldn't have all this bullshit

and this seems to get a lot of people upset.

Because you Joo spergs are retarded and extremely aggravating in your methods of expressing that retardation

I noticed the "people can distinguish fact and fantasy" argument came up a lot.

Joo spergs can't. Maybe that's why you are having these difficulties with said argument coming up

But this is the exact same argument that people use when you tell them that porn should be banned.

Because it's the correct argument

It is also is frequently used by people who think loli and shota content are free speech.

There are boundaries to everything. Children being depicted in sexual imagery is (or should be) beyond such a boundary. Even imaginary children. Even imaginary 3000 year old dragons in human child form

I used to use this same argument, since I used to be a cucked civil libertarian and thought that even content I didn't like should be legal as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. But then I realized that porn is damaging to the mind and a gateway drug for even worse things. The Christians who told me that when I was younger turned out to be right about it. And now that I think about it, the same argument correctly applies to all media in general. I'm glad in recent years many people have realized the same thing.

Just like droogs and booze, the vast majority of people can handle porn, a minority cannot

So why are we all still stuck in 2005 when it comes to other harmful content that alters the mind? Study after study shows that violent video games and movies affect the brain of younger people. We know for certain that subversive messages in the media can affect vast swathes of the population like how gangster rap helped destroy the black community, so the idea that people can distinguish fact from fantasy is more aptly "very few people can distinguish fact from fantasy". Many serial killers and mass shooters were big into violent movies and video games. The US government funds Call of Duty to desensitize people to shooting Israel's enemies and made a game called America's Army to recruit teenagers.

Very few people can't distinguish fact from fantasy. You're evidently one of them. Lots of terminally online retards can't. Such people are a minority. The inadequacies of a minority should not govern all

Now I don't think this sort of content should be banned, and arguably even porn shouldn't be entirely banned (but loli and shota should), but children should not have uncontrolled access to this sort of content for the same reason we don't let kids drink or smoke. It must be consumed only under the right supervision. And the subversive messages the government, megacorporations, globalists, and communists put into these products should definitely be forbidden. The latter is the main problem, but for some reason a lot of people aren't willing to entertain the idea that the government is warping our minds with violent media even as they decry how porn is so damaging.

Again, your incompetence at persuasion and lack of mental acuity should not be used as general standards for anything, thank you but no thank you retard

Same retard energy as a minority commit crimes with guns so no one but the State should have guns or privately held guns should be severely restricted. Fuck off, no. Non-retards shouldn't be restricted like retards

 

[FATTESTCUNT 2.0]

Many serial killers and mass shooters were big into violent movies and video games.

The popularity of video games has exploded since the 70s. Where's the rise in serial killers and mass shooters that coincides with that? There just isn't one.

Here on TERF Island for example, the murder rate is a fair bit lower now than it was 20 years ago, which is not what you'd expect to see if there was a link between increasingly realistic violent games and real world killings.

We know for certain that subversive messages in the media can affect vast swathes of the population like how gangster rap helped destroy the black community

Gangster rap is a reflection of what's going on in certain (mostly black) communities for real, regardless of whether a particular rapper actually lives, or ever lived, that lifestyle.

If listening to words in songs could lead to the destruction of a community, why haven't white communities been destroyed by gangster rap, given how popular that style of rap was/is with white people, even going back to the NWA days?

As for porn, I do think there are some negative aspects to it, but again, look how easy it is to access porn now compared to the pre-internet days. If it was some incredible evil, you'd expect to see a huge rise in negative behaviour associated with it.

 

[Idiotron]

There is no real correlation between playing violent video games and being violent IRL.
Meanwhile, there is plenty of evidence that porn fucks you up in more ways than one.
There are books written on how it affects you on a biological level, there are books written on how it affects you on a social level, read some of it, it will blow your mind.
It's not the same.

 

[Sho'nuff]

Now I don't think this sort of content should be banned, and arguably even porn shouldn't be entirely banned (but loli and shota should), but children should not have uncontrolled access to this sort of content

Kids don't have unrestricted access to the things you speak about. ESRB rates these games and retailers who sell M rated games to minors are hit with fines.
And in many ways porn is in a similar situation although with much stricter punishment because it's actually illegal to contribute to the delinquency of a minor (allowing them access to porn) vs video games which falls under regulation and not a felony. The issue with porn on the internet is there isn't much that can be done past asking if the user is 18+. RealID will likely never become a thing and even if it does, will not be trusted enough to gain mass adoption by porn websites.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

They want to larp as trad-cath or they want to blame the Jews, simple as.

The rest of your post is a little retarded.

Gangster rap didn’t destroy the black community, it was a symptom of an already destroyed community. What destroyed it was fifty years of voting democrat, with policies that destroyed the family unit and removed the appeal of personal success through government handouts.

The media they sold to blacks affected the community. What has black media (which has very few blacks involved at the highest levels, hmm...) promoted since the 1970s? Oh that's right, crime, sex, drugs, addictions, retarded spending (Air Jordans, Hennessy, Cadillac Escalades). The only way to be a successful black person according to the black media is to commit crime, rap about crime, or get in the NFL/NBA. All the black media says da crackaz and da popo be oppressing you and it's hopeless to think otherwise. And guess what it did? It helped fuck up 50+ years of black people. There are very few Clarence Thomases or Thomas Sowells in the black community because of how they're indoctrinated by the media, including graphic and violent content.

Honestly, the only effective solution is better, more involved parenting. But we’re three, almost four, generations deep into participation trophies. You can’t expect others to do the work, and you shouldn’t expect anyone to force it.

It's foolish to count on parents to solve the problem. We have a law against giving kids drugs and booze because parents like the Rekieta family exist. Why don't we have a law against letting your kid play CoD and learning how fun it is to shoot Israel's enemies?

The popularity of video games has exploded since the 70s. Where's the rise in serial killers and mass shooters that coincides with that? There just isn't one.

The 70s/80s were the golden age of serial killers. Porn addiction and love of violent horror movies is very common among serial killers. Many school shooters loved violent video games such as Doom, Grand Theft Auto, etc and school shootings markedly increased in the 21st century when graphics got much more realistic and FPS games like Call of Duty sold far more than they ever did in the 90s. Some point to school shooters who didn't play violent video games like IIRC Adam Lanza/Sandy Hook, but those are outliers. I don't think the reason they did it was because they liked GTA or CoD, but we also can't rule it out. Jack Thompson was a lot more right than people think, and it took me 20+ years to realize that. In any case though, the main concern is the sort of messages they put in these video games that are more easily absorbed due to the violent content.

There are boundaries to everything. Children being depicted in sexual imagery is (or should be) beyond such a boundary. Even imaginary children. Even imaginary 3000 year old dragons in human child form

Why is that a boundary when you've indicated your belief that people can distinguish between fact and fiction and that porn isn't harmful? By your own logic it's just harmless entertainment people can handle, just like porn of women being beaten and choked or killing hookers in GTA. Why not show it to teenagers too by your logic?

This is the end result of depraved "muh freedumbz" logic which is exploited by the global elite to warp our minds into uselessness, corruption, and addiction.

 

[The Last Stand]

So I've been posting facts in the politics thread about how the government uses violent video games like Call of Duty to warp our brains into killing for Israel, and this seems to get a lot of people upset. I noticed the "people can distinguish fact and fantasy" argument came up a lot. But this is the exact same argument that people use when you tell them that porn should be banned. It is also is frequently used by people who think loli and shota content are free speech.

I saw this and thought of you:

 

[McMitch]

It's foolish to count on parents to solve the problem. We have a law against giving kids drugs and booze because parents like the Rekieta family exist. Why don't we have a law against letting your kid play CoD and learning how fun it is to shoot Israel's enemies?

Nigger, you just espoused on how the seditious material comes from the government. Why would you ever trust them to be able to dictate what material people can produce or consume? It’s adults like Rekeita that exemplify the inefficacy of objective laws, let alone the subjective ones you’re proposing.

Do you think it’s acceptable when a group not directly working for the government, like Hollywood, pumps out propaganda? Or do you believe propaganda wasn’t really a thing in the USA before 2009?

It’s not, and it’s use for the direct benefit and direction of discrete political parties is already illegal. The issue is laws are only as effective as their enforcement, and the insistence of subjective laws controlling what people say being enforced for the benefit of people who already insist the government puts out media to subvert their way of life is asanine.

Propaganda is very easy to overcome, you simply need to interact with any ideas that don’t necessarily support the propaganda.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

Because girls have cooties.

 

[Patrick Bait-man]

Playing Doom gave me violent thoughts of ripping and tearing trannies apart.

 

[The Ugly One]

Me, every time you post:

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

So why are we all still stuck in 2005 when it comes to other harmful content that alters the mind? Study after study shows that violent video games and movies affect the brain of younger people. We know for certain that subversive messages in the media can affect vast swathes of the population like how gangster rap helped destroy the black community, so the idea that people can distinguish fact from fantasy is more aptly "very few people can distinguish fact from fantasy". Many serial killers and mass shooters were big into violent movies and video games. The US government funds Call of Duty to desensitize people to shooting Israel's enemies and made a game called America's Army to recruit teenagers.

Because people don't want to lose even more freedoms. If I went to your house and told you that X movie/videogame/TV show is now banned and you had to hand it over to me, would you? Most people wouldn't unless my demands were also accompanied with a lot of social pressure, and even then there'll be the ones who say that because it has been legal for so long it's better to keep it as is.

And we also have the factor of those who played/watched that movie/videogame/TV show and turned out mostly alright, you are in for a hard time trying to convince them that it can negatively affect others, and if you say that it has negatively affected them it's even harder. Case in point, people on here who openly admitted to watching degenerate pornography and having done online ERPs back when they were children, and who still deny that doing such thing negatively affected them.

Now I don't think this sort of content should be banned, and arguably even porn shouldn't be entirely banned (but loli and shota should), but children should not have uncontrolled access to this sort of content for the same reason we don't let kids drink or smoke. It must be consumed only under the right supervision. And the subversive messages the government, megacorporations, globalists, and communists put into these products should definitely be forbidden. The latter is the main problem, but for some reason a lot of people aren't willing to entertain the idea that the government is warping our minds with violent media

That's the crux of the issue, as there's plenty of people who, oftentimes with valid points, either argue that the ways currently proposed to solve the problem will affect adults more than it helps children, or that it's the duty of the parents to solve it. And of course there's those who just want to groom children with impunity.

It has to be done, but many don't agree on how and by whom, and the bad thing is that the more time it passes without a definitive solution, the worse it gets, and the worse the backlash will be

 

[Beautiful Border]

Now I don't think this sort of content should be banned, and arguably even porn shouldn't be entirely banned (but loli and shota should), but children should not have uncontrolled access to this sort of content for the same reason we don't let kids drink or smoke. It must be consumed only under the right supervision. And the subversive messages the government, megacorporations, globalists, and communists put into these products should definitely be forbidden. The latter is the main problem, but for some reason a lot of people aren't willing to entertain the idea that the government is warping our minds with violent media even as they decry how porn is so damaging.

So I agree with the premise that people are influenced by the media they consume. But I don't think violent video games/movies/etc. and pornography carry the same risks. I could probably write an entire novel about how this comparison doesn't work in quite the way you think it does. But the key difference is that violent media is a replacement for an act we shouldn't perform, while pornography is a replacement for an act we should.

Violence is something people generally don't get to act out in real life, at least not without consequences. Adults almost universally understand when the application of violence is appropriate, and the ones that don't have issues that won't be caused by simply consuming violent media. There is an inherent separation between our everyday lives and the acts we get to perform in games like Call of Duty and GTA. It can be argued that it desensitises children to violence, but both violence and play-violences are fairly innate human traits. Long before video games were invented young boys were playing "Cowboys and Indians".

If someone plays GTA and then carries out a violent rampage, that's indicative of serious psychological issues that weren't caused by simply playing the game. It shows an inability to care about consequences (if I shoot a bunch of people, I would then either have to kill myself or go to prison for the rest of my life) and a lack of empathy. Most people are both unwilling to end their own life for the sake of a bit of fun, and also have enough empathy for other people that they at least aren't willing to murder them for no reason.

Of course, children have less-developed brains than adults. But the solution to this isn't necessarily to focus on the media they're consuming, but to make sure they aren't around weapons unsupervised. Little Timmy might be a bit too over-eager when he mows down innocent people playing GTA, but if he doesn't have the means to shoot up his school because his father locks his gun safe, then his violent fantasies remain fantasies. This media is providing an outlet and an expression for behaviours we know we can't or shouldn't do in the real world. The implications of this for society are neutral to arguably positive.

Pornography and sex both fulfill the same end goal: Sexual gratification. Pornography is more efficient at doing this than sex, even if it's less emotionally fulfilling. If someone simply masturbates to a picture or a video to attain an orgasm, then at that point they don't need to "bother with" sex or seeking it out. Casual hook-ups aren't particularly emotionally fulfilling either, of course. If you're using pornography as a substitute for that, then it's neither here nor there. But if you're in a romantic relationship, and you choose to prioritise your own sexual gratification over the emotional needs of your partner? That will damage the relationship.

For that matter, you're less likely to even be in a romantic relationship to begin with as you have less need to seek it out. The result is a generation of men who are sexually satisfied without having to form human relationships. The implications of this for society are... not good. It also isn't good for the partners of those men who are getting their jollies staring at a screen instead of being intimate with them.

If you grow up watching pornography, your understanding of what sex even is will be fundamentally warped as well. Like violent media, it provides an unrealistic fantasy of the acts it depicts. But unlike violent media, people are expected to eventually have sex. A kid grows up playing Call of Duty, as an adult he's going to have a naive understanding of what war looks like that will be quickly drilled out of him the moment he signs up to serve. A kid grows up watching pornography, as an adult he's going to wonder why the girl he's with doesn't like it when he starts choking or deep-throating her without her consent. He's going to be confused and disappointed as to why the real thing isn't like the media he's been consuming, and there's a pretty big chance he's going to go back to what he's used to. A dead bedroom? It's a bedroom that's dead on arrival.

TL;DR: Children consuming violent media doesn't have the same implications for both their personal lives and for wider society as consuming pornography.

 

[karz]

I used to use this same argument, since I used to be a cucked civil libertarian and thought that even content I didn't like should be legal as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. But then I realized that porn is damaging to the mind and a gateway drug for even worse things.

Now I don't think this sort of content should be banned, and arguably even porn shouldn't be entirely banned (but loli and shota should), but children should not have uncontrolled access to this sort of content for the same reason we don't let kids drink or smoke.

Holy shit that was a fucking wall of text I wrote. Here's a spoiler so it doesn't fill the page.

Spoiler

It's very easy to block adult websites using a home router. Most modern residential routers come with a configurable firewall to block adult websites. While a solution, it is not feasible to block all adult websites from kids. There are too many adult websites to block them all, and most residential firewalls do not have a broad toggleable content filter - see below.

Physical firewalls (ones where you have to pay a subscription for security updates) often come with toggleable content filters that stop client users from accessing defined categories.
Don't want employees on Twitter during work hours? There's a social media filter. Don't want them browsing porn on the company network? There's a filter for that too.
These are expensive because you pay for an annual subscription for full functionality.
Given the absolute state of wages in the US, I can't imagine families shelling out even $100 for a physical firewall box. It's an expensive solution.

Most parents do not understand how content filtering and routing rules work anyway. Good luck getting them to understand the basic firewall installed on their home router.

Adult websites, on the other hand, have extremely flimsy "age verification" requirements. At most, you get a prompt asking "Are you 18?" "CLICK YES" "CLICK NO".

Using a centralized age verification system outside the adult content ecosystem defeats this in theory since kids would need to prove they're over 18 by presenting a driver's license or passport to access adult websites. They don't have a driver's license, they don't have a passport, and the problem is solved.

But this doesn't work either, because minors can download fully functional, ad-supported VPNs onto their phones to defeat these blocks. Texas requires RealID verification to access big boob videos, and you're a minor? Just turn on that VPN and switch your server to NYC, where there is no RealID Requirement. Minor gets access to big boob videos, a state-level law defeated, concerned parents find that their kid is still "jorkin' it", and anti-porn crusaders yell at a brick wall.

At a bare minimum, video games are age-gated and most video games (especially M-rated ones) require a purchase and usually an age check. If you go to a physical store, you present an ID or be visibly over 18 years old to buy an M-rated game. If you buy one from an online distributor like Steam, GOG, or the Xbox Store, that requires a credit or debit card. Few minors have direct access to, or ownership of, a credit or debit card.
Modern digital pornography is almost entirely free. The end user, except to pay for an internet connection, a functional computer or phone, and electricity, can go on to any adult website and get their boob videos for free. No purchase is required. Most kids in the first world have all that paid for by their parents because they're kids in a home.

Pornography especially preys upon those who are already awkward, mentally ill, or otherwise socially vulnerable.
I don't think I know a single porn actor/actress who isn't an absolute social wreck, and the same goes for the obsessive gooners who post on reddit about jerking off. I'd bet that Finn5ter, who has a thread on here, was proba. It's an extremely destructive cycle, no doubt about it; porn is on its own also harmful, since it reinforces behaviors and stereotypes that are antithetical to healthy relationships between men and women.
For women: women are whores, all slutty, all they wanna do is fuck chad, all they are is a hole - none of this is true if you talk to real women and touch grass.
For men: Men are abusive animals, all they do is rape, all they do is think about fucking - none of this is true if you talk to real men and touch grass.

"Pornography" doesn't even have an official definition under federal law and it is still protected speech.

The short of it is that trying to ban or regulate any form of "speech" very often comes with a slew of lawsuits and expensive court cases, especially when that "speech" is readily available and almost always entirely free to the end consumer.

If you bothered to read all that fucking mess I just posted above, know this much: if you don't want your kid to have access to pornography, you will have to be an active factor in stopping your kid from accessing porn. The state isn't going to stop your kid from seeing retarded OnlyFans sluts on Twitch.Tv or Instagram; and, unfortunately, anti-porn crusaders are always going to lose because there's always another website and there's always another e-whore looking to show off their body. The children will always figure out a way to circumvent your blocks.

If you think you have a better solution, I'd love to hear it. All the ones I've heard from my legislature are lackluster at best and harm legitimate businesses and educational institutions at worst.