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[The Gene Genie]

For me, the biggest issue is that this "demon" interpretation aligns more with pop-culture depictions of demons than with traditional Christian theology. The idea of demons floating around just to be captured by blurry cameras, do some light shows, and mildly surprise people on the internet doesn't match their religious M.O. of committing terrifying and supernatural acts of evil. You could stretch the definition of "demon" to include what other cultures describe as imps or fairies, but that’s not what Christians typically mean when they refer to demons.

Ultimately: what does God (or Satan for that matter) need with a starship?

 

[Samhain]

Ultimately: what does God (or Satan for that matter) need with a starship?

I'll play devil's advocate. Who says the craft are meant for space travel? What if the "alien" bodies are just biological products that demons temporarily inhabit to easily interact with our plane of existence?

 

[Rei is Shit.]

Ultimately: what does God (or Satan for that matter) need with a starship?

For the same reason that a pimp needs a sick ride; you gotta look fly while keeping hoes in line.

 

[The Silent Perjority]

I thought the whole Demon thing was a joke, until I read on and saw people were actually serious.

I'm as fascinated by the possibility of Aliens as anyone but you're going turn off anybody even slightly curious with this Demons nonsense. It's infantile.

 

[Mystery Spy]

The sad part is that the idea of them being extra-dimensional beings is actually a fascinating possibility. The notion that NHI (non-human intelligence) life forms might not be merely planetary but could exist beyond our universe is intriguing—and surprisingly compatible with religious perspectives.

However, reducing that concept to simply "Oh, they are just the bad guys of my religion" feels overly simplistic. At the very least, there should be compelling reasons to believe such a conclusion beyond claims like "UFO grifters dislike Christianity, therefore UAPs are demons."

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

I thought the whole Demon thing was a joke, until I read on and saw people were actually serious.

I'm as fascinated by the possibility of Aliens as anyone but you're going turn off anybody even slightly curious with this Demons nonsense. It's infantile.

Whether or not users in this thread believe it's demonic, it seems that there are people at the Pentagon and UK MoD who believe it. That could be scary.

https://www.premierchristianity.com...ic-how-can-we-discern-the-truth/18112.article (archive)

Part of the “internal opposition” to investigating UAPs came on the basis of religious concerns. According to Elizondo, “senior government officials,” thought the phenomenon represented a “threat to their belief system.” They knew it was real, but they concluded it to be “demonic in nature.” Though Elizondo disagrees, he doesn’t take it personally. In fact, he applauds these same officials, calling them “some of the most incredibly competent and loyal patriots I have ever had the privilege to work with, and their motivations were sincere.”

I recently spoke with Elizondo, and he relayed to me that there were indeed “several individuals in the Pentagon who objected for spiritual reasons.” And this is not just Elizondo’s claim. Former Senate Majority Leader, the late Harry Reid, went on the record saying that some of the pushback was due to the “religious views” by key intelligence officials at the Pentagon.

https://metro.co.uk/2023/12/22/government-failed-investigate-ufos-fears-demonic-forces-20013861/ (archive)

‘It’s counter-intuitive that some official resistance to taking UAP seriously comes not from hard-nosed science-minded sceptics who think studying the subject is a waste of government time and money, but from a faction that believes UAP are real – but demonic,’ said Mr Pope, speaking to Metro.co.uk.

‘This stems in part from a biblical description of Satan as being “the prince of the power of the air” – a quotation from the book of Ephesians.’

Michael Shellenberger and Tucker Carlson discuss New Jersey Drones

Part 1​

Learning our place in the cosmos is important. Humiliating the failed alien hybrid Garrett Graff is also important. BTW nice touch there at the end of Part 5.

The sad part is that them being extra dimensional beings is actually a fascinating possibility. The idea that NHI life forms might not be merely planetary , but also beyond our universe .

"Interdimensional" explanations stink of bad pop science, and might even be a cope to explain away the need for faster-than-light travel (which probably isn't necessary for interstellar travel). Guess we'll see.

 

[The Gene Genie]

I'll play devil's advocate. Who says the craft are meant for space travel? What if the "alien" bodies are just biological products that demons temporarily inhabit to easily interact with our plane of existence?

Demons have never needed physical craft to get around or to interact with our plane of existence. If a being requires a physical apparatus to move around and interact with reality, it exists "within" material reality. Even if they're from another dimension or whatever.

What does God need with a starship?

"Interdimensional" explanations stink of bad pop science, and might even be a cope to explain away the need for faster-than-light travel (which probably isn't necessary for interstellar travel). Guess we'll see.

I tend to agree, but a lot of the more "reasonable" "woo" talk (as opposed to pure science talk on the UFOs themselves) seems to indicate that at some level the guys that are here are operating from a different Consensus Reality than we are to some degree.

 

[Flan Handler]

I think Jacques Vallee’s Passport to Magonia might be onto something. It’s a little more complex than just demons, but also doesn’t exclude the concept.

It’s more like, this is a control mechanism that uses humanity’s curiosity and storytelling functions to keep us off balance. By being mysterious, and a little bit near the edge of our technological conceptions it guides us in a certain direction.

Of course, John Keel at the end of his life also had some insight. That the phenomenon was real, both physical and incorporeal, and feeds off human’s fascination, and energy. And that engaging with it is dangerous and mostly useless. He died a somewhat broken man though.

 

[The Gene Genie]

I think Jacques Vallee’s Passport to Magonia might be onto something. It’s a little more complex than just demons, but also doesn’t exclude the concept.

It’s more like, this is a control mechanism that uses humanity’s curiosity and storytelling functions to keep us off balance. By being mysterious, and a little bit near the edge of our technological conceptions it guides us in a certain direction.

Of course, John Keel at the end of his life also had some insight. That the phenomenon was real, both physical and incorporeal, and feeds off human’s fascination, and energy. And that engaging with it is dangerous and mostly useless. He died a somewhat broken man though.

Sometimes I almost agree with this sort of thing, and other times I feel like it lacks a certain amount of imagination. Neither Vallee nor Keel nor the others who say that UFOs are basically an egregore or something akin to one that shapeshifts based on human perception seem to want to conflate two separate things, in my view, into one have the imagination to conceive of something material. I think the idea that this is a materially-based phenomena scared/scares them to a certain degree. I don't see why spirituality has to be fused with the UFO stuff. This kind of shit from Vallee, which is held in high regard by a lot of UFO people, is basically the same as the Pleiadian Star Command people saying that Jesus was a Starseed or whatever.

To me the spirituality and spiritual beings from the Aether are one thing, and UFOs are another. No need to mix the two together.

 

[GradeAGobbleDeeGook]

if at any point you asked yourself "why am i reading about woo-woo stuff when i am looking into aliens?" this video explains that jump very well
very informative if you want to know where it all comes from, and it is about "Jacques Vallée" who is being discussed
i dont believe in any of this stuff, but even if i think its gay UFO lore is UFO lore, so i thought i would pop a reply in

Jacques Vallée, UFOs, and the Case against Extraterrestrial Origins

 

[The Gene Genie]

i dont believe in any of this stuff,

The only part of the "woo" I buy into is the Galactic Federation stuff. Not just because I want it to be true (but I will be honest, unlike some UFO people, and that is an element of it) but also because there's a lot of non-woo people who say that it is something that is out there. I don't think that they're some interdimensional race of Q Continuum do-gooders, but I think it's as close to "benevolent aliens" as we could get.

 

[The Silent Perjority]

I presume the Demon hypothesis is coming from the committed religious types who know aliens in interstellar ships is going to pretty much collapse their entire dogma.
If they can deus ex machina the little green men into demons then their chosen deity can white horse in, save the day and they'll still go to heaven.

Or are they just mumbo-jumbo Dennis Wheatley types?

 

[fukefacedog]

nice touch there at the end

little easter egg ; P

you're going turn off anybody even slightly curious with this Demons nonsense

I feel like if your mission is to try to convince people of things you're going to drive yourself insane. The better approach, imo, is to use other people's thoughts to more strongly fortify or weaken your own convictions or postulations in the face of the truth.

People would ask me to adopt a more responsible tone for the thread. I actually tried it for a bit. I realized I was going to stop posting because it was just too fucking boring. For me it was either I try to have fun while I archive or I don't do it at all.

Life is much more enjoyable and productive when you don't give a fuck what other people think or spend your time trying to convince them of things, within reason (it doesn't disrupt the regular functioning of your life), in my opinion.

I'm very sensitive psychologically to people trying to control me or try to control my thoughts if they're not presenting facts. I've even donated to this site but don't want the tag because I feel like it will psychologically change my perspective of my account and make me more protective of it, and therefore less willing to take intellectual risks. I don't judge others for it, I just know i'm too sensitive, it's a sign of my own weakness.

If people want to think it's Demons and Angels it doesn't bother me in the slightest, even if it makes it less convincing to others.

If anything I find the tapestry of perspectives beautiful like a quilt, if I were to get faggy about it.

I want to hear what the nigger tanzanian witch doctor thinks it is.

 

[GradeAGobbleDeeGook]

a Spanish speaking user on rUFOs made a pretty interesting post doing something i have thought about doing before but just cant force myself to do it
this isnt a comprehensive list by any means and the dates are in Spanish, but hes taken screenshots of a number of big claims over the past year or 2
he made a post saying "whats going on with this stuff" and somehow it isnt being downdooted

Who can explain to me what happened with all this?
I attach these images so that we all remember what certain people have promised or affirmed. What happened to all that? let's not forget... In the screenshots are the dates (although in Spanish, which is my language, but it is still understood)

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1i1bzli/who_can_explain_to_me_what_happened_with_all_this/

https://archive.md/vHmBm

edit:
some unfortunate but unsurprising news
Rep. Burlison: "Speaker's office turned [Select UAP Committee] idea down”

Ask a Pol asks:
It seems like we don't know what's in American skies?
Key Burlison:
“Yeah,” Rep. Eric Burlison exclusively tells Ask a Pol.
Right? So like, to me, that’s where there's overlap in the ‘drone’ and UAP issues. I mean, how can we know anything up there?
“Yeah,” Burlison says. “There was talk of there being a [Select] UAP committee that could investigate what happened with the drones in New Jersey — it could shed light on things like this — and, apparently, the Speaker's office turned that idea down.”
Oh, really?
“They turned down that idea, of giving us a Select [UAP] Committee,” Burlison says. “I've heard that they may…allow a task force, which is basically a neutered committee.”

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1i1mjk2/rep_burlison_speakers_office_turned_select_uap/

https://archive.md/Dd9aO

https://x.com/AskaPol_UAPs/status/1879343742244839682

https://archive.md/VyQvj

https://www.askapoluaps.com/p/burlison-says-speakers-office-turned-select-uap-committee-down

https://archive.md/7aBqz

 

[Omori Boy]

this isn't really relevant to the thread but I think about shit like this all the time and make myself laugh. what if x religion was true. or what if x crazy schizophrenic weirdo on the street or who's insane Facebook ramblings to no-one in particular were true and that tweaker from your high school who rocks Eminem T-shirts 4 sizes too big outside the 7-11 your dad goes to actually IS Christ back today and it's only a matter of time before the book of revelations or whatever.

I think about it with ancient astronaut shit too. what if Aliens were represented in some creation myths or whatever and actually all along the Hindus or whoever were the closest to what actually happened. Imagining the religious fallout to discovering Greek mythology or something was the truth all along is inherently funny to me.

This would actually be so funny to be the gobsmacked unbeliever. I'd truly love being a God's Not Dead movie villain.

Is it a Nordic? It's dark and you can't tell. Suddenly, you hear a voice telepathetically echoing loudly in your mind: "

"MUDDER BLOODY FUCK YOU FUCKY YOU BLOODY BITCH!!!!!"

The funny thing is before global warming was a huge thing in the public consciousness, aliens only fearmongered about nuclear war. After the cold war ended, they moved right on to fearmongering about global warming

I think tis is more a case of being incapable of knowing about something before it has ever been thought up. For example Medieval people could never even imagine a nuclear reactor, or pre-contact Americas could never imagine te extent of the rest of the world. Also global warming and Cold War were extremely intertwined especially in the late 60's through 80's. But maybe I'm just biased because I do not believe in alien abductions.

Considering the context of the conversation I think that Trump is more concerned about a general blowback and complete loss of trust in the government as an institution. If it came out that for 80+ years the Government knew about aliens and went to great lengths (assassination, career ruination, driving people to mental breakdowns, etc) to cover it up, then I think you’d want to keep it quiet as well. Trump is, at the end of the day, still part of the elite.

I mean that's literally Trump's whole platform, that the entirety of the government is fucked up and needs be turned on its head. Why would he not bring that to the public's knowledge? Well to be fair, I don't think Trump is going to drain the swamp, I believe he's going to expand it in all directions, but maybe others feel differently.

(as opposed to pure science talk on the UFOs themselves

A lot of that stuff is pseudoscience as far as it gets (think stuff like grounding or pyramids power generating). The big problems with the descriptions of UFO's (that cannot be explained for normal things) usually breaks the laws of physics, and they are laws and not theories for a reason, because over the course of 100 years, no testing has been able to disprove it.

 

[Anonymous Pool Services]

they are laws and not theories for a reason, because over the course of 100 years, no testing has been able to disprove it.

I believe you're falling for a common layman's trap of conflating a scientific theory with a hypothesis, as the words are usually interchangeable in everyday parlance. A scientific theory does not graduate into a law. "Theory," as used in science, is the current consensus backed up by evidence for a phenomenon and explains how or why something happens.. A scientific theory is extremely rigorous and can really only be challenged by new evidence or testing.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Ask a Pol: Rep. Burlison: "Speaker's office turned [Select UAP Committee] idea down” (Reddit)

“They turned down that idea, of giving us a Select [UAP] Committee,” Burlison says. “I've heard that they may…allow a task force, which is basically a neutered committee.”

DroneDJ: No more automatic No-Fly Zones: DJI puts drone safety on you (archive) (Reddit)

The update, effective January 13, 2025, changes the way drone operators navigate controlled airspace — placing full responsibility for flight safety and potential violations squarely on their shoulders.

The Verge: DJI will no longer stop drones from flying over airports, wildfires, and the White House (ghost)

"Disclosure in January" - "If then nothing happens by 31st of Jan, then I'm not posting here again or on any NHI related subreddit ever again..." "If January comes and goes and nothing has happened. I'm deleting reddit as a whole for a while."

 

[Samhain]

Ask a Pol: Rep. Burlison: "Speaker's office turned [Select UAP Committee] idea down” (Reddit)

DroneDJ: No more automatic No-Fly Zones: DJI puts drone safety on you (archive) (Reddit)
The Verge: DJI will no longer stop drones from flying over airports, wildfires, and the White House (ghost)

I'm already seeing a bunch of fearmongering about this, as if it wasn't already possible to fly drones over places you really shouldn't (even with DJI's existing restrictions). DIY drone kits from AliExpress and wherever else are cheap and have never had restrictions.

"Disclosure in January" - "If then nothing happens by 31st of Jan, then I'm not posting here again or on any NHI related subreddit ever again..." "If January comes and goes and nothing has happened. I'm deleting reddit as a whole for a while."

The True Believers walk away gutted once again, ahaha. Might as well delete his account right now.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Time
Canada has released a 16-page preview of its upcoming Sky Canada Report from the Office of the Chief Science Advisor of Canada.

https://ised-isde.canada.ca/site/sc...canada-project/preview-sky-canada-report-ocsa (archive) (Reddit) (Mirror) (Reddit)

E. Conclusion

A more structured approach to the management of UAP reporting in Canada would be beneficial on many grounds. It would enhance transparency and combat disinformation; it would also demonstrate Canada’s commitment to scientific rigour and inquiry. This will not only improve public trust but also position Canada alongside some of its allies as leaders in the global effort to elucidate the nature of UAPs.

Adopting a science-based, collaborative approach will help address public concerns, demystify UAPs, and potentially reveal valuable insights into aerial phenomena that are currently unexplained.

Sean Kirkpatrick and Daniel Otis were among the individuals consulted.

CTV News (Daniel Otis): What we learned from Canada’s first UFO report in decades (archive) (Reddit)

The report’s most significant recommendation is for the Canadian government to “establish a dedicated service” to manage and analyze UAP data. Hosted by a federal entity like the Canadian Space Agency (CSA), this service would “collect testimonies, investigate cases and post its analyses publicly.” It would also take the lead on informing Canadians about UAP and co-ordinate with other government entities and international partners.

 

[GunCar Gary]

All I can say is the being I witnessed without my glasses appeared to be some kind of gray or gray-analogue and hit me with a paralysis field before walking down my hallway and grabbing my face before I blacked out.

i have discovered photographic evidence of your abduction and enclosed it below