Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[GlupShitto]

So as long as Jews control Hollywood and the courts, she's probably never going to return, which is heart wrenching.

 

[William Murderface]

Anakin brings it up himself in a way too, although you can tell he's mostly joking around and trying to make excuses when he says that Jedi are "Encouraged to love" but just in a specific way. I do think most of the EU writers and things got it wrong but the reason they did what they did was because they're not writing books on philosophy or trying to come up with some real world organization, they're making interesting stories. So Luke never getting married or having love interests isn't interesting. And things like romance, having children, that sort of drama, is a huge part of that and something that fans will clamor for. So you had a lot of people who wrote later stories about Jedi, Luke's Jedi, where they were supposedly "fixing" the old ways of the Jedi, who were wrong about love in the days of the Old Republic. Which kind of misses the point that no, the Jedi weren't actually wrong about that, they were just wrong about a lot of other things. Jolee Bindo is a good character to look at when it comes to this misconception the writers have since he also talks about the same kind of stuff when it comes to love.

I think the Jedi were right in forbidding attachments, not the loving everyone part, but in having attachments. Anakin becomes obsessive about Padme and Palpy uses it as a lever to get Anakin to turn to the Dark Side. Luke also has that attachment to his father and his friends (Leia, Han, et al.) and Palpy tries to use that lever of love, but fails. Yoda and Obi-Wan try to get Anakin and Luke to accept loss and that people come and go in our lives, but they both tried to hold on to people and will do anything to save them. It's what leads to Anakin's downfall, but Luke sidesteps the fall after Bespin.

It is interesting that in the novelization of ROTS, there's a passage about how Padme is very pregnant, the war is winding down, Padme is against Palpy's grabbing of power and she realizes that her days are numbered, but that passage also brings to minds something about how so are Anakin's. He doesn't realize that at the end of the war, no matter, what, he will no longer be a Jedi. He's in a trap because if he turns to the Dark Side, as he does, he will destroy the Jedi Order. If he doesn't, he will be expelled for his secret marriage to Padme. And that Palpy has pushed Anakin and Padme together in the first place knowing all along how the two of them loved each other from the time they were children. Palpy's big role is instigator and everything goes exactly as he foresaw until Luke turns his offer down on DS2. Palpy lays trap after trap after trap and our heroes keep walking into them and even when they don't pan out, he always has a Plan B.

 

[Male Idiot]

Cupid Sheev! Like how Cartman does it, but the little wings are black.

Amd yeah after Indiana Jones 5 it will suck big balls, but at least Revan Silverhand dodged another bullet.

 

[Gondolindrim]

Agree but it predates them tbf and prequel hate was so engrained in mainstream cultural consciousness pre-2015. So many sitcoms, late night talk shows, stand up comedians, and even official Star Wars productions did jokes about the Prequel Trilogy and Special Editions being bad, often focusing on Jar Jar and shit. Not to mention the George Lucas raped our childhoods types.

South Park doing the "George Lucas raped my childhood" thing unironically was pretty eye opening to just how serious and delusional it had all gotten. I tell ya, I didn't even realize the Prequels were considered bad until I saw G4 making jokes about them.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

Someone said it about a new hope but that entire film the empire feels untouchable. Their destroyer (one of the smaller ships in a navy) is so huge it pales in comparison to the rebels ship. If that's what they call a destroyer what do their battleships look like?

Star Destroyers were on the larger end of the scale as they're cruisers all but in literal name. It is tard cow Curtis Saxton who thought they were the smaller ships in spite of at the time EU saying and showing otherwise. All because it had "destroyer" in the name. Lucasfilm hiring him just made his retardation canon. He also thought any modification to a ship no matter how minute, makes it an entirely different ship class instead of sub-variant or sub-type. Which is hilariously and stupidly retarded as went against the real life naval classification and again film and EU which had been following the in real life classification prior to his hiring.

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

Someone said it about a new hope but that entire film the empire feels untouchable. Their destroyer (one of the smaller ships in a navy) is so huge it pales in comparison to the rebels ship. If that's what they call a destroyer what do their battleships look like?

The heroes spend their entire time running away from stormtroopers and barely get a few of them, and because we just saw the first scene we know why they don't try to fight.

Up until endor the empire feels like the only reason it hasn't wiped out the rebels is that the rebels are so good at hiding and running.

Not even doing guerilla tactics but just running and surviving, like the humans in the first Terminator.
Meanwhile it seems any dope could win against a battle droid.

I can understand some of your points about the empire being intimidating, and A New Hope really does build up them as an unseen menace with the attacks on the Jawas and Owen and Beru.
But then "these are not the droids you are looking" for happens and the stormies look less competent for falling for the magic space hobo's tricks. Then the whole debacle on the Death Star (yes I know they wanted them to escape to find the rebel base, but this plan was still retarded).
The Droideka in Ep 1 looked cool and genuinely seemed like a threat before then never showing up again.

Basically Star Wars has an extremely bad habit of awesome set-up but falling flat on the delivery by immediately taking steps to make that faction or character look incompetent.
General Greivous comes to mind.
So does Boba Fett.

 

[Ghostse]

Listen my niggers.

Naval destroyers are a shortening of "Torpedo Boat Destroyers" and the 'type' did not exist before the pre-WWI-era as their original purpose was to be able to go out, engage and destroy torpedo boats before they could launch torpedoes, and make it back into friendly cover before the enemy could respond. Once you had a "fast boat with minimal armor and dispropotional armament" the cramming of them into every role possible began, to the point where they put torpedo launchers on them; talk about becoming the very thing you hate.
Torpedoes themselves are shortening of "Self-propelled torpedos" because before the very late 1800s "Torpedos" were effectively mines. They were not called mines because at the time a "mine" was something lit with a fuse, and the term comes from the practice of digging a tunnel (a mine) under enemy walls and detonating a bunch of explosives to "undermine" the wall; the pre-explosive way was to erode the earth, shore it up with timbers, and then slaugher a bunch of pigs and use the fat to set the timbers on fire causing a much less spectacular collapse.
Anyway, there has never been an official designation for "Destroyer". The German & Dutch navies use "frigates" (traditionally the name given to the smallest proper warship type) that would be Destroyers during any other time because they are much larger than their other classes of frigates. The WNT never called them out by type and just put them under "secondary ships". So a destroyer can be whatever size you want, especially when its a star destroyer.

Cruisers go back a little further, but there wasn't really a ship "type" - warships sent on extended voyages would be configured/loaded out as cruisers with extra provisions, etc - until the age of steam and even then it was more of a descriptor than a classification. At that point you saw warships retrofitted with steam equipment and the ones intended for ocean voyages were called Cruisers to differentiate them from river/coastal/litoral ships. Because steam power largely solved the issue of freshwater on ships, transoceanic voyages became cheaper, so more ships became "cruisers". Deadlier weapons saw the development of the "protected cruiser", which was a ship still with sails but usually with a belt of iron armor at the water line and the magazine. This lead to the development of the "armored cruiser" which was a ship type that eventually lost its sails, became low to the water (even if early cases were still converted sailing ships) and evenutally moved into the pre-dreadnought configuration. The dreadnought up-ended naval designations and eventually when the dust cleared everyone mostly settled into Battleships for capital ships, Crusiers for large secondary ships, and destroyers for smaller secondary ships. Cruisers by default ended up with an effective designation because instead of tonnage limits, the WNT descriptions were used for the maximum size & armament of a secondary ship (Frigates and corvettes were used for auxillary ships.). So everyone min-maxed the legal limits and thus the biggest secondary ships under the WNT ended up very similar to each other across the major navies giving Cruisers general weight, length, and armament.

Or in short:
There aren't official definitions of these words, you can make them whatever you want.

Honestly as much as I know I'll probably end up with egg on my face for this, I'm cautiously optimistic. I really dig most of Mangold's filmography and I really enjoyed A Complete Unknown. As long as he can avoid making the first Jedi a strong and independent black woman and that's why attachments are forbidden or some dumb nigger shit like that, I could see this being pretty good.

You really aren't good at pattern recognition are you?
Its OK, Disney only hits you because they love you.

Tbf TFA's entire thing was trying to appeal to people who saw Star Wars in 1977 and proceeded to hate the PT because it was different.

Wrong, TFA wasn't made to appeal to anyone. It was a beat-for-beat of ANH because JJ is a lazy hack, and they removed as many references to the PT and OT as possible because Lucas still got 25% for stuff that referenced his work. This is why you saw them use rejected Star Wars concept art and the Millenium Falcon got a square radar dish instead of round.

The first jedi will literally be this and yes, there will very likely be dumb nigger magyckx involved.

Not enough rainbows for assuming that's as bad as it can get.

So the man who cried about being old, and who's made two movies bitching about being old, is now bitching and crying about how people thought his latest crying about being old was shit.

What a fucking baby.

He made Indiana Jones 5, so fuck no lol.

This. He makes a bunch of depressing shit and his MCU output has been largely about killing off the male characters. And lets not talk about IJ5. Or 4 for that matter.

 

[GlupShitto]

Supposedly Embo (Dave's self insert bounty hunter with the pet wolf from TCW) will be the villain of the Mando movie. Great....

 

[Gondolindrim]

Boy I sure wish I could be an Empire fan in peace without people calling me a fascist or a Trumpy.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Boy I sure wish I could be an Empire fan in peace without people calling me a fascist or a Trumpy.

It's not just Empire fans. Imperium fans from 40K, Enclave fans from Fallout, damn near every fan of every empire-style faction, hell, even fans of the Federation from the Starship Troopers movie, they're all being accused of being fascists or Trump fans.

Now that Gundam is becoming more mainstream, I can't wait to see how these twats would react to fans who unironically chant "SIEG ZEON!"

South Park doing the "George Lucas raped my childhood" thing unironically was pretty eye opening to just how serious and delusional it had all gotten. I tell ya, I didn't even realize the Prequels were considered bad until I saw G4 making jokes about them.

As someone who went to the theaters when they came out, nobody came out thinking they were bad. Sure, there were some cringe parts, but the people went in to see shit blow up along with some sick lightsaber duels, and they got their fill. I remember people cheering when Yoda got up and started fighting. The artsy critic crowd whined like bitches about Yoda fighting, but the average normie was amazed.

 

[Ghostse]

As someone who went to the theaters when they came out, nobody came out thinking they were bad.

Present. ( for TPM.) me and my nerd friends.
Bad might be a strong word but to put it mildly we were disappointed with everything that wasn't Darth Maul. But Darth Maul was fucking awesome so that did offset a lot.

Again, I will remind everyone there was a massive media blitz hypetrain leading to TPM, just words cannot cover this adequately, and it did not even come close to delivering on that. That plus the fact we never got a Shadows of the Empire Movie/anything with the OG cast before they hit Sunrise Breakfast Discount Age also factored in.
A quarter century on (fuuuuuuuuuuuuck) I can see it for what it is: a decent concept with a flawed execution, but at the time we didn't need RLM to convince us Lucas had lost it. Especially when the SE no longer had han shooting first.

Ironically despite the fact that I view AOTC as the worse movie, I was less... I'm not sure what the word is. Not angry, disappointed doesn't quite cover it... I didn't come out of AOTC, cringe dialogue and all, wondering what the fuck was Lucas doing and how was this Star Wars. And a large part of that was I walked in knowing not to get my hopes up. The first act was a fucking mess of tell-don't-show, the Act II cringe was cringe, but Act III was pretty tight. We didn't even give a fuck if Backstreet Boys were Jedi, though we were a little pissed in the run-up because of lingering bad feelings after TPM and what felt like a sell out.

But we also didn't feel like George had raped out childhoods or w/e.

 

[Gondolindrim]

Present. ( for TPM.) me and my nerd friends.
Bad might be a strong word but to put it mildly we were disappointed with everything that wasn't Darth Maul. But Darth Maul was fucking awesome so that did offset a lot.

Again, I will remind everyone there was a massive media blitz hypetrain leading to TPM, just words cannot cover this adequately, and it did not even come close to delivering on that. That plus the fact we never got a Shadows of the Empire Movie/anything with the OG cast before they hit Sunrise Breakfast Discount Age also factored in.
A quarter century on (fuuuuuuuuuuuuck) I can see it for what it is: a decent concept with a flawed execution, but at the time we didn't need RLM to convince us Lucas had lost it. Especially when the SE no longer had han shooting first.

Ironically despite the fact that I view AOTC as the worse movie, I was less... I'm not sure what the word is. Not angry, disappointed doesn't quite cover it... I didn't come out of AOTC, cringe dialogue and all, wondering what the fuck was Lucas doing and how was this Star Wars. And a large part of that was I walked in knowing not to get my hopes up. The first act was a fucking mess of tell-don't-show, the Act II cringe was cringe, but Act III was pretty tight. We didn't even give a fuck if Backstreet Boys were Jedi, though we were a little pissed in the run-up because of lingering bad feelings after TPM and what felt like a sell out.

But we also didn't feel like George had raped out childhoods or w/e.

There are those videos of people coming out of TPM and they looked and sounded like they had a great time. It is my firm belief that Prequel hate just began one day, long after TPM actually came out, in a very inorganic manner. Because factual information, the box office, the reviews, audiences, everything said that the films did well. They were never as bad as the memes said.

 

[Akumaten]

Now that Gundam is becoming more mainstream, I can't wait to see how these twats would react to fans who unironically chant "SIEG ZEON!"

Like most faggot leftists/commies, etc. looking at the surface level as a kiddie pool they molest children in, they will go: but in Gundam Origins, Zeon were "oppressed" by the Earth Federation and in Stardust Memory they are retaliating for the Federation making nuclear weapons.
It's all the same bullshit.

It is my firm belief that Prequel hate just began one day, long after TPM actually came out, in a very inorganic manner

IMHO, it has been always been inorganic. The fact that the original trilogy started at IV says alot. It said that "fans" would had been fine with an incomplete story. They wanted a surface level "here's the good guy, here's the bad guy, don't ask questions why we are here or learn from the mistakes".

 

[Ghostse]

There are those videos of people coming out of TPM and they looked and sounded like they had a great time. It is my firm belief that Prequel hate just began one day, long after TPM actually came out, in a very inorganic manner. Because factual information, the box office, the reviews, audiences, everything said that the films did well. They were never as bad as the memes said.

We came out animated because TPM finished strong: Maul, Qi Gon's funeral, etc. You definitely came out wanting to see what would come next. But everyone in our group readily agreed it wasn't what we'd been promised.

 

[Adamska]

Ironically despite the fact that I view AOTC as the worse movie, I was less... I'm not sure what the word is. Not angry, disappointed doesn't quite cover it... I didn't come out of AOTC, cringe dialogue and all, wondering what the fuck was Lucas doing and how was this Star Wars. And a large part of that was I walked in knowing not to get my hopes up. The first act was a fucking mess of tell-don't-show, the Act II cringe was cringe, but Act III was pretty tight. We didn't even give a fuck if Backstreet Boys were Jedi, though we were a little pissed in the run-up because of lingering bad feelings after TPM and what felt like a sell out.

It's because Phantom Menace leveled your opinion and you adapted to what you saw. So your expectations as a result of the hype bubble bursting was at a more reasonable level, meaning you weren't as bothered with it over all as you would've been.

The reason people shat on them was because of the same reason that a person who grew up on the Clone Wars show might get pissed at and shit on the Asoka show if they didn't see Rebels. They had an expectation that was not met, and that causes issues in your head.

In time, when such things faded, you kind of go back and go "oh yeah, these are nowhere near as bad as I remember", since you are not affected by the feeling that drove you in 1999. You aren't jonsing like the next fiend for their fentanyl overdose; you are looking at far more dispassionately and even keeled. It's even more so with this IP because way worse shit came out that makes you appreciate what you had more. It's why you see people going "wow fuck, there may still only be three Indy movies, but damn I was too hard on Crystal Skull after Dial of Dementia".

Star Wars is not unique in that. Alien as a series is a beautiful example of how hype ruins IP; Alien 3 did the same thing as the Prequels due to the build up to it and the expectations. It also fucking burned despite being better in many respect to its sequels. Same with Terminator. You see the modern garbo and go "huh, Alien 3 wasn't so bad", or "oh fuck I wish I saw Salvation again over Genysis."

Also that lastly is something I think is an issue; we're in a cinematic shit age, where the acting and production is so soulless and untalented that you appreciate back when the bar was higher. The prequels were called bad in the 2000s since you had a lot of films available that were good, and their badness still had talent and skill in them.

Compare to the current crop of shit and you then realize that a 2002 bad is more like a 2024 decent.

 

[William Murderface]

I was there also and I loved the PT. Yeah there was some clunky dialog and shitty acting and a few problem SFX, but the OT had all that as well, just in different places. I will say that Lucas really needed someone like a Kurtz who could say "George, that doesn't work. Maybe you could try this instead" over stuff like Jar-Jar or the muppet TPM Yoda. But at the end of the day I didn't go in with preconceived notions beyond what the OT told me: Obi-Wan and Anakin have a massive fight, the Emperor takes control, there is the Clone Wars, and the Jedi are all but destroyed. I got all that.

It was ultimately Lucas' story to tell and he told it, warts and all.

Beyond that, it's just a story. It's made up. It isn't the Bible where you must accept it or you're going to burn for eternity. If you think the PT is trash, ignore it. Personally, I just accept the PT and OT and ignore everything else, and even with those movies I have to kind of pick and choose because of the SE. Han was the only one who shot and Greedo died, there were windows in the corridors Lando, Leia, and Chewie are running through to escape from Cloud City, and when the Emperor is chucked down an elevator shaft the entire galaxy was relieved. Good wins, evil is punished, long live the Republic, the Force will be with us...always. And fade out to the credits.

 

[GeorgeFloydFentanylStash]

We came out animated because TPM finished strong: Maul, Qi Gon's funeral, etc. You definitely came out wanting to see what would come next. But everyone in our group readily agreed it wasn't what we'd been promised.

I remember TPM had a really good reception back in 99. I saw several different names from TPM on Battlenet when Starcraft was all the rage. When i saw TPM, i was excited to see what was next. Same with TCW. Those were movies you felt that everyone involved pored their hearts into.

Can’t say that about most Disney Star Wars.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

I remember TPM had a really good reception back in 99. I saw several different names from TPM on Battlenet when Starcraft was all the rage. When i saw TPM, i was excited to see what was next. Same with TCW. Those were movies you felt that everyone involved pored their hearts into.

Can’t say that about most Disney Star Wars.

My experience was the complete opposite. Where I spent my time online in '99 (IRC, chat rooms, various forums, and my five digit ICQ) everyone hated the prequels. I was in high school when it came out and most people where I hung out online, except for ICQ, were Gen X'ers. I hated the prequels so much after TCW I never bothered seeing Revenge of the Sith in theaters and had a screening at my apartment of the work print that got leaked before the movie came out. And no, we didn't fucking harass Jake Lloyd or Ahmed Best. Fucking hell, I didn't even know Ahmed Best played Jar Jar until a couple of years ago. Anyone over the age of 14 hated the prequels unless they were retarded when they came out and everyone claiming the prequels were loved were too young to know better at the time.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

In my experience, most people loved the Prequels, and it's mostly internet folks and critics who hated them. Your average goober loved ROTS, AOTC, and kept replaying the TPM VHS until the tape wore out. During the tail end of the 90s, I've seen SW fans watch TPM over and over and over again, almost like an everyday ritual, to the point where fans of other movies would tell them to snap out of it.

It's usually a few "media literate" folks who have nostalgia goggles on for the OT that hated the PT. It's just that to me, they forgot that the OT was also kind of cheesy and slapstick at times, to the point where seasoned actors like Harrison Ford and Alec Guinness wanted to minimize their roles as possible. For people whining about the PT-era dialogue, these critics forgot that Harrison Ford once told Lucas "you can type this shit, George, but you sure as hell can't say it!" while Alec Guinness described his own dialogue as mumbo-jumbo bullshit.

Taken through a critical lens, the OT falls apart just like the PT does. Why does Kenobi surrender to death when he could've easily mind-tricked the Stormtroopers watching to attack Vader so that he could get away? Why does Yoda not tell Luke about his father to warn him about the dangers of the Dark Side? Why does the Endor Imperial Fleet, which outnumbers the Rebels by a huge margin, retreat when they could've easily gone full-in and killed the Rebels? Why does Yoda preach pacifism (ie. not using the Force to kill) but then later tell Luke that he has to kill his dad? So many questions and holes that the SWEU had to plug up. But of course, we didn't go to those movies to ask critical questions; we went there to see shit blow up and have fun, and in that regard, both the OT and the PT succeeded. That was all I wanted out of them, and I sure as hell got my fill.

If I want Shakespearean dialogue in SW, I'd go boot up KOTOR/SWTOR. If I want complex, Game of Thrones-style politics, I'd go read the SWEU books. But the movies were made for fun, explosions, and a bit of Christian/libertarian moralizing, and they did their job.

hat plus the fact we never got a Shadows of the Empire Movie/anything with the OG cast before they hit Sunrise Breakfast Discount Age also factored in.

The original cast had moved on. The only way you'd be able to get Harrison Ford into a SW movie after ROTJ was if Han was going to die, something he pushed for as far back as ESB. Mark Hamill was doing voicework. Carrie Fisher was doing other roles in movies. So no shit, even if Lucas wanted to do a series based on the OT characters in the 80s or 90s, he'd have problems or would have to recast a few people.

A quarter century on (fuuuuuuuuuuuuck) I can see it for what it is: a decent concept with a flawed execution, but at the time we didn't need RLM to convince us Lucas had lost it. Especially when the SE no longer had han shooting first.

The SE no longer had Han shooting first because that would make Han look like a bad guy, which in the original cut of the 1977 movie, he was. But in the 80s and 90s, there was a real drive to sanitize media, especially stuff shown to kids, so you can no longer have a good guy be someone who guns down another man in cold blood without warning. Kind of like how ROTJ tried to kiddy up the place by having the Empire lose to kid-friendly Ewoks, or how GI Joe and Transformers had entire armies with laser weapons not kill each other unless it was a movie special or someone was doing drugs. TPM was the natural endpoint of that, where the good guys weren't even killing people any more, but droids who were glorified vacuum cleaners with guns. The most brutal death was Qui-Gon's, where he just gets stabbed and dies, and it was mostly kid-friendly fun. But that trend started more than a decade before TPM. It's actually quite surprising to me that AOTC and ROTS were able to return to the gritty atmosphere of ESB and ANH, especially with Anakin massacring the Tuskens and the Jedi getting tragically whacked by clones.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Is it wrong for me to think Lady Gaga would a perfect fit to play Ventress? The more I see her, the more I think she looks like Gaga almost.