Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Angus MacInnes, who played the rebel Pilot Gold Leader in a New Hope has sadly passed away back on dec 23rd.
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The number of people who was involved with the original trilogy that are still alive grows smaller.
 
ROTJ tried to kiddy up the place by having the Empire lose to kid-friendly Ewoks
My brother in christ, Lucas in on the record multiple times saying he did the Ewoks because they'd move toys. No one came to censor him. He had merchandizing deals in place before ANH hit the theaters, he was a businessman first.

Why does Kenobi surrender to death when he could've easily mind-tricked the Stormtroopers watching to attack Vader so that he could get away?
Because he is distracting Vader from sensing his own son who is right fucking there, and knows that given Vader has a line on him, the Dark Lord of the Sith will hunt stop at nothing to follow the falcon, hunt him, and go full genocide on any planet they stop at until he's caught. Once he sees Luke has a clear shot to escape, he stops the charade.

Why does Yoda not tell Luke about his father to warn him about the dangers of the Dark Side?
Because Luke isn't ready, and Yoda's hoping that if Luke does a stupid thing and heads into the trap, maybe Luke will go full stealth and avoid confronting Vader.
Luke was already warned about the dark side in the cave by showing him his face in Vader's helmet, if that didn't do it I don't think "BTW Vader's your dad" is going to affect anything in a way Yoda wanted it to be affected.

Why does the Endor Imperial Fleet, which outnumbers the Rebels by a huge margin, retreat when they could've easily gone full-in and killed the Rebels?
Because command and control failed. They were ordered to just contain the Rebel's fleet not destroy them so the deathstar could slowly pick them off and drive luke to the darkside with rage. Once the deathstar exploded there was no doubt a lot of imperial vessels that broke and ran and a lot that probably didn't get the "Emp and Vader are dead, stop toying with them, you won't be force choked for blowing up Rebels" memo until it was too late and tide had turned.

Why does Yoda preach pacifism (ie. not using the Force to kill) but then later tell Luke that he has to kill his dad?
The mother fuck have you watched the movies? He says Luke is ready to face Vader, not kill him. One can make a reasonable inference, but Luke did what Yoda trained him to do: he faced Vader but refused to kill him.

C'mon son. There is a TON of shit in the OT that doesn't make sense except for plot/T-rex in F-14s reasons. Why pick the stuff that does have at least a good-enough explanation?

My experience was the complete opposite. Where I spent my time online in '99 (IRC, chat rooms, various forums, and my five digit ICQ) everyone hated the prequels. I was in high school when it came out and most people where I hung out online, except for ICQ, were Gen X'ers. I hated the prequels so much after TCW I never bothered seeing Revenge of the Sith in theaters and had a screening at my apartment of the work print that got leaked before the movie came out. And no, we didn't fucking harass Jake Lloyd or Ahmed Best. Fucking hell, I didn't even know Ahmed Best played Jar Jar until a couple of years ago. Anyone over the age of 14 hated the prequels unless they were retarded when they came out and everyone claiming the prequels were loved were too young to know better at the time.
This was closer to my experience. We were sort of waiting for the movie to get good, and it mostly did, but then when we came out we were really disappointed in what we've been given, hoping the next would be better, but in general wondering what the fuck was Lucas thinking. But we got Maul (and some of the guys got podracing; I really wasn't a fan) so clearly Lucas still had some of the magic just...was clearly high on his own supply.

Clowing on the PT was just sort of normal and good fun. We didn't feel it utterly ruined star wars or anything, just more that it felt like a waste of Episode I.

I did see ROTS but that felt more out of obligation to see it in theaters because I'd seen the rest of them; it turned out to be a pretty decent movie Emo Skywalker's dime-flip aside.

Also we thought anyone who went after a 9-year old for being in a movie was super gay, even if we didn't really like his performance as "Manniken Skywalker" he was 9 years old and clearly the issue wasn't him but the adults that put him there.
With the wisdom of hindsight, and how Hayden was directed, that was clearly the performance Lucas wanted.

We hated Jar-Jar, but we didn't have any real strong feelings about Ahmed other than that the dude didn't write the lines or even play the character, what's the point in hassling him? And again, with hindsight I realize the issue wasn't with Jar-Jar but the fact that TPM was not what we expected or hyped up to expect, and Jar-Jar was just an easy target to latch on to and scapegoat for the negative feelings we couldn't quite pin down.

I remember TPM had a really good reception back in 99. I saw several different names from TPM on Battlenet when Starcraft was all the rage. When i saw TPM, i was excited to see what was next. Same with TCW. Those were movies you felt that everyone involved pored their hearts into.

Can’t say that about most Disney Star Wars.
I will say this: Even the haters had SOMETHING they liked. It was also one of those things where you might not have liked it, but it was a canon so you couldn't ignore it that's for sure.
Even when fucking up, even when selling out, Lucas still put his passion into the PT and it shows. Vs. the ST which was 2/3rds the work of a talentless hack and 1/3rd the work of a farthuffing artfag, all overseen by a shriveled egg shrill wineaunt who only cared about power and messaging, not the workproduct.

I think the only things I've seen referenced from ST are "they fly now" and "somehow, [X] returned" , neither one used positively.

Also for people using PT reactions, do you think the fluff piece newscrews are going to cut in the footage of the guy saying "What the fuck did I see? It fucking sucked. I got dressed up for this? I'm done, I'm going to be Romulan now." and storming off?
 
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My brother in christ, Lucas in on the record multiple times saying he did the Ewoks because they'd move toys. No one came to censor him. He had merchandizing deals in place before ANH hit the theaters, he was a businessman first.
I know. But I was also talking about the Han shot first thing. The Ewoks were not a censorship issue, Lucas did it because of some Vietcong allegory. But having a clear bad guy who blows people's heads off in cold blood being one of your heroes is something the pearl-clutching atmosphere of the 80s and 90s won't let you put in a movie for kids. And the Special Editions came out at the tail end of the 90s, right before TPM.

Because he is distracting Vader from sensing his own son who is right fucking there, and knows that given Vader has a line on him, the Dark Lord of the Sith will hunt stop at nothing to follow the falcon, hunt him, and go full genocide on any planet they stop at until he's caught. Once he sees Luke has a clear shot to escape, he stops the charade.
My Brother in Christ, Vader doesn't even know that is his son. He doesn't figure it out until AFTER the Death Star was destroyed. In fact, back in 1977, even Lucas didn't know that was Vader's son, since the line Kenobi said about Vader killing Anakin was still meant to be canon. They only changed that in 1979 when the decision was made that Vader was to be Luke's father. Also, distracting Vader by mind-tricking the Stormtroopers is far more effective, since it would put Vader on the defensive, put the heat off the Falcon crew, allowing Luke and Obi-Wan to escape.

Also, by letting himself get killed, Kenobi made the sacrifice of Leia's crew worthless. They stuck their necks out to get him to join the Alliance and lead it, remember? That's why Leia was over Tatooine in the beginning. It just makes Kenobi look selfish since he wanted to ascend to Jedi Heaven so badly, he used his former apprentice to commit suicide by cop. The Alliance didn't need a ghost whispering into the ear of a young boy, they needed a general and a leader, and that's why Leia tried to get Kenobi in the first place.

Because Luke isn't ready, and Yoda's hoping that if Luke does a stupid thing and heads into the trap, maybe Luke will go full stealth and avoid confronting Vader.
Luke was already warned about the dark side in the cave by showing him his face in Vader's helmet, if that didn't do it I don't think "BTW Vader's your dad" is going to affect anything in a way Yoda wanted it to be affected.
And Luke hearing it from his actual old man was better? Granted, that was a cool moment for us, but it made Yoda look like a colossal fucking idiot. For all Yoda knew, Vader could've captured Luke and told him directly. He was certainly strong enough to do so. If it wasn't for one bottomless pit, Vader would've gotten everything he wanted. And Luke felt betrayed over the Jedi lying to him. If Vader captured Luke, he could've certainly used that to manipulate the boy to come over to his side.

And yes, telling Luke that Vader is his dad would scare the crap out of him and get him to ask questions, like how Anakin was corrupted by the Dark Side. Then Yoda can start monologuing about how corruptive and evil the Dark Side is, about how even a good man like Anakin was corrupted by it and turned into a servant of evil, and how Luke needs more training to resist it. Instead of him still thinking that Vader killed his dad, so he goes off half-cocked to try and avenge his old man while rescuing his friends.

Although it is funny that both the PT and the SWEU retconned Yoda out to have made more than a few key mistakes that cost the galaxy everything, so I suppose Yoda making bad calls just became canon over time.

Because command and control failed. They were ordered to just contain the Rebel's fleet not destroy them so the deathstar could slowly pick them off and drive luke to the darkside with rage. Once the deathstar exploded there was no doubt a lot of imperial vessels that broke and ran and a lot that probably didn't get the "Emp and Vader are dead, stop toying with them, you won't be force choked for blowing up Rebels" memo until it was too late and tide had turned.
They still have enough ships to charge the exhausted and smaller Rebel fleet, a Rebel Fleet that lost two command ships to the Death Star, mind you, so the Imperials could've easily charged the Rebels, destroyed them with superior firepower, then claimed victory over the Rebellion and secured their hold over the galaxy. Then they can anoint a new leader after the dust had settled.

The EU had to make up stuff like how the Imperial commanders in the fleet were all salivating over seizing their own worlds, or how they got too used to Creamy Sheev giving them a boost with Battle Meditation that they started sputtering out of control once they lost that unseen source of nourishment.

At least in ROTS's Battle of Coruscant, the Republic Fleet and the Separatist fleet were of equal strength, so knocking out the leadership for one side allowed the other to win.

The mother fuck have you watched the movies? He says Luke is ready to face Vader, not kill him. One can make a reasonable inference, but Luke did what Yoda trained him to do: he faced Vader but refused to kill him.
Because the implication Yoda made with his tone was that Luke has to kill Vader. Hence why Luke was hesitant. He didn't want to kill his father. If Yoda just said "defeat your father, but don't kill him, the Jedi way is to value all life," Luke wouldn't hesitate, he'd obey without a second thought. Instead, he got cold feet, because what Yoda was implying was that he has to kill his dad. Oh, and in the original plan for the film, Luke is a good boi who follows orders, and he does kill his dad.

That, and Yoda was training Luke to fight against Vader and the Emperor, which basically means that whole "the Force is only for knowledge and defense, never for attack" is BS, since Yoda was training Luke to be a Force battering ram to smash down Vader and the Emperor.

It really just shows to me that a lot of people who hate on the PT for not being the OT have nostalgia goggles on and seem to forget more than a few key details.

Both trilogies have more than a few key plotholes. Both of them had to have said plot holes be plugged up by the SWEU. But they're both still fun, so we put up with it. It's like how Gerald Robotnik in Sonic 3 is not the same guy back in Sonic Adventure 2, but we get double-helpings of Jim Carrey being Jim Carrey, so we don't care.
 
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I will say this: Even the haters had SOMETHING they liked. It was also one of those things where you might not have liked it, but it was a canon so you couldn't ignore it that's for sure.
Even when fucking up, even when selling out, Lucas still put his passion into the PT and it shows. Vs. the ST which was 2/3rds the work of a talentless hack and 1/3rd the work of a farthuffing artfag, all overseen by a shriveled egg shrill wineaunt who only cared about power and messaging, not the workproduct.
Part of me what would ESB, ROTJ, and the entire PT look like if Fox had more than control and creative input. Could they be like the Disney films or like the Indiana Jones movies (where Paramount simply finance the films for George).
 
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The thing with Han shooting Greedo that gets lost is Greedo threatened Han first. Yes, Han was a drug smuggler who was in deep to a crime lord and desperate to haul Obi-Wan, Luke, and the droids on a milk run, but Greedo got the drop on him, stuck a gun in Han's face, and flat told Han he was going to see Jabba with Han's corpse to collect the bounty. Han was defending his life by shooting Greedo. The only difference between that and a million Western oaters we've seen was it took place in a bar and not on Main Street at noon. There was no reason to make the change except for the Helen Lovejoys of the world screeching. Han was written to be a gunslinger and did gunslinger stuff, up to and including dropping bounty hunters. It was an unnecessary change to make Greedo shoot, miss, Greedon and Han shoot at the same time, Han shoot back, or whatever the current version is. That is one of the worst changes the SE made. The other bad change was Vader yelling "no!" before chucking the Emperor down an elevator shaft. The body language of Vader looking back between Palpy being evil and Luke, pleading for his father to save him, was enough. We didn't need verbalization.
 
There was no reason to make the change except for the Helen Lovejoys of the world screeching.
George was one of them. He legit saw the entire thing you are defending and then got concerned because it makes Han look like a bad man, and he is not a bad man so he has to make it obvious.

Also I do not like replacing the old actor for Anakin with Hayden. It erases the actual guy and it just makes me cringe at the memberberry.
 
George was one of them. He legit saw the entire thing you are defending and then got concerned because it makes Han look like a bad man, and he is not a bad man so he has to make it obvious.

Also I do not like replacing the old actor for Anakin with Hayden. It erases the actual guy and it just makes me cringe at the memberberry.
The thing is, Han WAS supposed to be a bad man when they met him. He was a spice smuggler; the dude ran drugs for the Hutt Cartel. The one time in the films where the Imperials did their job from a moral perspective was when, in Han's backstory, he was forced to dump his space coke at the sight of an Imperial warship. That, of course, was the reason why Greedo and by extension, Jabba wanted his head on a spike.

Good men don't blow people's brains out in cold blood. Good men also don't work for the Space Mafia or smuggle harmful substances. But Han was not a good man. The whole journey Han goes through in the OT was for him to lose that selfish, roguelike, smuggler mentality and for him to become "one of the boys", ie. one of the regular good guys like Luke. The more the OT goes on, the more Han loses that roguelike edge to the point where he promises to not get between Luke and Leia, and Leia had to tell him that Luke was her brother and it's OK.

How many morally-good drug peddlers do you know? Best-case scenario, they're assholes like Jesse Pinkman. Worst-case scenario, they're dudes like Pablo Escobar. Han Solo was somewhere in the middle, and if he never met Kenobi or joined the Rebels, he would've probably remained a thug.
 
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In some ways Han had already completed that arc by the end of ANH. He had no motivation to come back and save Luke during the DS trench run, and had never really shown any turn or softening of his edge prior to that, just Chewie growling at him about helping the Rebels and Han taking the money to run. But he shows up, I guess because he has the hots for Leia, and stays.

Of course, then in Empire, he stays long enough to help establish Echo Base on Hoth and was going to go pay off Jabba but stayed long enough to keep Luke from being a Corpsecicle and then try to get Leia to safety, and reluctantly has to leave because of bounty hunters. After Jabba's dead he stays and willingly joins the Rebels in their Endor mission.

Han just bails on the Rebels and for no good reason just shows back up and is a good guy. It's kind of a cop out ending for his arc.
 
Why did they not keep on working with the clone wars stuff?

Its really the only thing disneywars had potentially going for it. Their retconning of the Post-ROTJ EU was not welcome and I'm fairly sure every danger haired scoundrel and faggot would not have been welcome in the rebellion, especially not imperial defectors. Who in most of the EU lore, were rightly detained by the rebels suspecting them of being spies at first. Because they were. If they were quick to sell out their own side, who's to say they wouldn't do the same to them?

The rebels were not small bands of terrorists soloing the imperial military like disney portrays them as. They were organized, growing, had some kind of former Republic/Separatist backing from the likes of Mon Mothma. Would have been nice to explore rebel controlled separatist droids giving imps a hard time, but Filoni is a hack, most creatives see lore consistency as "stupid nerd shit" and they refuse to take fiction seriously. So the battle droids have to be stupid pushovers for inferior soldiers who were responsible for the term "stormtrooper aim" in the journeys of blue haired space aladdin.
 
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Part of me what would ESB, ROTJ, and the entire PT look like if Fox had more than control and creative input. Could they be like the Disney films or like the Indiana Jones movies (where Paramount simply finance the films for George).
The problem is you'd need Fox to have no more input than they in ANH, and after SW exploded that would be impossible.

You need one or two suits making sure everything stays on rails and on budget. But with something that successful you have rooms full of executives micromanaging and wanting to "leave their mark".

Han just bails on the Rebels and for no good reason
He bails for a pretty damn good reason which is "fuck that moon sized weapon shit, I got my cash, I'm staying my ass away from that ya'll welcome to die here but its not my fight" But then has a change of heart.

Of course, then in Empire, he stays long enough to help establish Echo Base on Hoth and was going to go pay off Jabba but stayed long enough to keep Luke from being a Corpsecicle and then try to get Leia to safety, and reluctantly has to leave because of bounty hunters. After Jabba's dead he stays and willingly joins the Rebels in their Endor mission.
In Empire Han has been getting protection from Jabba/Bounty hunters from the rebels and running smuggling jobs and collecting transport fees. He leaves because he's got enough to pay off Jabba. The Rebel general even laments losing Han (and also the EU material goes into more about what happens between Yavin and Hoth).
 
Why did they not keep on working with the clone wars stuff?

Its really the only thing disneywars had potentially going for it. Their retconning of the Post-ROTJ EU was not welcome and I'm fairly sure every danger haired scoundrel and faggot would not have been welcome in the rebellion, especially not imperial defectors. Who in most of the EU lore, were rightly detained by the rebels suspecting them of being spies at first. Because they were. If they were quick to sell out their own side, who's to say they wouldn't do the same to them?
Actually, most Imperial defectors wound up in cushy positions within the Alliance, and the entire fucking leadership structure of the Alliance consists of generals and senators who left the Empire. Guys like Jan Dodonna, Crix Madine, Mon Mothma, among others, were the bigshots of the Alliance and were former Imperials. Even Leia was a former Imperial senator who used her credentials within the Empire to cover for Rebel activity. In that ROTJ conference table of rebel leaders, the only one who wasn't an ex-Imperial was Admiral Ackbar, but then even he learned tactics and strategy under Grand Moff Tarkin when he was Tarkin's slave. It kind of explains why his strategy amounted to "look for the biggest target and blow it the fuck up". That was a very Tarkin thing to do.

The rebels were not small bands of terrorists soloing the imperial military like disney portrays them as. They were organized, growing, had some kind of former Republic/Separatist backing from the likes of Mon Mothma. Would have been nice to explore rebel controlled separatist droids giving imps a hard time, but Filoni is a hack, most creatives see lore consistency as "stupid nerd shit" and they refuse to take fiction seriously. So the battle droids have to be stupid pushovers for inferior soldiers who were responsible for the term "stormtrooper aim" in the journeys of blue haired space aladdin.
The Rebels avoided using battle droids because people still have PTSD over fighting them back in the Clone Wars. That, and many Rebel leaders considered themselves Republic loyalists, so while they were OK with sending former Seppies to fight for them, they weren't too keen on using Sep tech themselves, especially since Imperial propaganda portrays the Rebellion as the Separatists 2.0, so if the Rebels started sending battle droid legions at the Stormtroopers, that would just prove the Imperials right, and even less people would join the Rebellion as the result.

The problem is you'd need Fox to have no more input than they in ANH, and after SW exploded that would be impossible.

You need one or two suits making sure everything stays on rails and on budget. But with something that successful you have rooms full of executives micromanaging and wanting to "leave their mark".
That's also the problem with modern Hollywood at large. It's like how Elon Musk thinks he knows about manufacturing better than anyone, yet when he designs a pick-up truck, the frame breaks when it tries to lug something around, among other things.

These execs wouldn't know how to make a good movie even if the instruction guide for it was right in front of them. Many of them either just go for what appeals to the lowest common denominator (hello TFA) or what allows them to "leave their mark" on something (look at how 343 Industries butchered Halo).

George Lucas is like Peter Molyneux; he's not the perfect captain for the ship, but he at least kept the hyenas at bay when he was in charge. Ironically enough, they both left their respective companies, Lucasfilm and Lionhead Studios, in 2012, and those companies have been decaying ever since.

He bails for a pretty damn good reason which is "fuck that moon sized weapon shit, I got my cash, I'm staying my ass away from that ya'll welcome to die here but its not my fight" But then has a change of heart.
Exactly. He loses his roguelike instincts and becomes more and more like your standard rebel freedom fighter.

Han's journey isn't a glorification of the roguelike archetype, it's basically the exact opposite.

In Empire Han has been getting protection from Jabba/Bounty hunters from the rebels and running smuggling jobs and collecting transport fees. He leaves because he's got enough to pay off Jabba. The Rebel general even laments losing Han (and also the EU material goes into more about what happens between Yavin and Hoth).
Actually, in ESB, Han reports that he's run into more than a few bounty hunters trying to whack him, hence why he needs to leave and pay off Jabba before the heat gets too big.
 
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Why did they not keep on working with the clone wars stuff?

Its really the only thing disneywars had potentially going for it.
They did. They released the 7th season and made Rebels and Bad Batch. Rebels, sadly, was mainly a Furloni OC factory and The Bad Batch is the same way, though they have their moments (especially when Bad Batch revisits Kamino).
The rebels were not small bands of terrorists soloing the imperial military like disney portrays them as. They were organized, growing, had some kind of former Republic/Separatist backing from the likes of Mon Mothma.
That's a big issue that's bugged me a lot lately. My guess is that it makes merchandising easier so you only need one scuffed-up, customized vehicle and a few scuffed-up clone troopers so you don't have to buy tons and tons of them to reenact battles (not that that stops the Lego fans).
Would have been nice to explore rebel controlled separatist droids giving imps a hard time, but Filoni is a hack, most creatives see lore consistency as "stupid nerd shit" and they refuse to take fiction seriously.
Rebels gets into this, but it's more of a Clone Wars memberberries thing than something serious.
 
The ironic thing about all the whining towards Lucas being a bad director is that nobody had a better solution. I mean, how many of these whiners ever pointed to SWEU authors who have made successful novel series as the people who should write the next SW movies? The most we got was RLM saying that JJ Abrams should take up the torch, and look how that fucked things into the dirt.

Every time I hear about what the Prequels should have been, most of the ideas are scattered and illogical. They don't get past just the main concept. It's to the point where such ideas would not logically lead to the world we see in ANH. I mean, credit to where it's due, despite all their flaws, Lucas and the SWEU PT writers crafted a world where eventually, it would lead to the Empire in the OT era. Lucas and the SWEU writers actually asked themselves how the galaxy would eventually become the Empire, and why people thought that was a good idea going forward.

Even small tics like that cantina owner telling Luke that droids aren't allowed in makes sense when decades ago, the galaxy had a war with droids causing a lot of mayhem and suffering, so having some people with anti-droid sentiment would just be natural. Questions like "why doesn't the Empire just fill their ranks with robot armies" when robots clearly exist in the world, and some like IG-88 can hold a blaster, are answered by the fact that people were still recovering from the Clone Wars era where droid armies caused plenty of destruction.

Some people want the Clone Wars to have been about clones invading the Republic and the Republic fighting them, like what was implied back during the Thrawn Trilogy days, but that would logically not lead to a galaxy where people hate droids and Jedi; instead, the Jedi, being the Republic's traditional defenders and enforcers of justice, would probably gain a lot of political power and social credibility since the people have to rally behind them to fight off an army of monster clones invading the galaxy. The Jedi themselves would raise an army to defend the Republic, and that army would be something they'd fully control, unlike the PT's Clone Army which was controlled by Palpatine.

That might lead to an empire, yes, but not the Jedi-hating Empire of the OT. Rather, it'd probably be a feudal empire where the Jedi rule the galaxy like Japanese Daimyo or European Aristocracy. The Jedi would be so beloved by the people for holding back the tide of the evil monster clones that the grateful public would give them even more power to ensure that society remains safe and secure. There would be no Jedi Purge, no people forgetting about the Jedi, just people glorifying the Jedi, and the Republic being protected by an army that the Order itself assembled. Good luck purging the Jedi after that. Even if you had a man on the inside like Vader, trying to whack the Jedi after they saved the galaxy from monster clones would just end with the people lopping your head off and putting it on a spike.

The way the Clone Wars was done in the PT and its accompanying SWEU materials made perfect sense as to why the people and the galaxy at large turned on the Jedi and forgot about them. Instead of rallying behind the Jedi, the people rally behind Palpatine and the Clone Army during the war against the Separatists. The Clone Army even makes the Jedi look like buffoons in EPII; they came in half-cocked and were about to get wiped out by Space Dracula and his robot army, then the clones ride in to save the day. Then it was Palpatine, not the Jedi, whom the Senate gave executive power to, and with the clones by his side, they became the stars of the show, while the Jedi were basically sidekicks whose job it was to lead the clones.

There's also the fact that the Jedi tried to off a politician who was so popular he kept getting re-elected despite his term limits being up. It makes sense as to why the galaxy's people would hate the Jedi enough to the point where they'd crown the man who ordered them killed as Emperor, go along with his plans for an Empire, and they'd go full In Damnatio Memoriae towards the Jedi, to the point where people have forgotten about the Jedi and the Force because the generation before them had such a bad memory of the Jedi trying to destroy the very same democracy they swore to defend.

Not to mention the fact that the clones being on the Republic side made it easy for the people to trust someone else to defend them aside from the Jedi. Heck, in the post-ROTS SWEU, Palpatine was lauding the clones and holding them up as icons of Imperial valor for eradicating the Jedi and restoring the peace. If a group of people who also protected the Republic annihilated the Jedi, after the Jedi tried to assassinate a popular politician, no less, it makes things easy for the public to swallow the lie that the Jedi have gone bad and that it was time to let them go.
 
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That's kind of why I preferred the old clone phaseout instead of the Filoni goodboy clones got mindhacked and Long Knived retcon, because Tarkin and his moff buddies have a hateboner for them.... for some reason.
If Filoni wasn't such a hack, the gay brain chips could've been interesting.
As it is, they were made because every Filoni Trooper has the mindset of a shonen protagonist.
"The Jedi are my friends!!!"
Fuckers act like they are children and not supersoldiers grown for war.
 
If Filoni wasn't such a hack, the gay brain chips could've been interesting.
As it is, they were made because every Filoni Trooper has the mindset of a shonen protagonist.
"The Jedi are my friends!!!"
Fuckers act like they are children and not supersoldiers grown for war.
I have to wonder, is Star Wars Republic the only Star Wars media that depicts clones in a way that feels natural? People really do seem to forget that they're not normal humans, they were trained to be perfect soldiers from birth.
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It was ultimately Lucas' story to tell and he told it, warts and all.
Remember that "How the Prequels should've been" video that got really popular for a while? Literally just some guy's fanfiction but that's what people think they wanted.

I ultimately take the same stance as you: It's the story the director wanted to tell. He didn't want Maul to survive for all three movies or Anakin to be a well adjusted guy. Maul was a narrative device, Anakin being a freak was a core factor in why he became the most dangerous Jedi Hunter of all time. You may not like it, but the prequels are indeed a coherent narrative. Too many moving parts would just ruin it, as we see with the Sequels.
 
That's kind of why I preferred the old clone phaseout instead of the Filoni goodboy clones got mindhacked and Long Knived retcon, because Tarkin and his moff buddies have a hateboner for them.... for some reason.
Exactly. Tarkin never had a hateboner for the clones. It makes no sense, considering that Tarkin fucking hated the Jedi and the clones got rid of the Jedi, so you'd think he'd appreciate that. Hell, in the old Legends canon, they kept using Jango clones along with birth-born recruits all the way up to Endor.

Some clones were even part of the original Dark Trooper project, where they took clones who were getting old and cyberized them up Darth Vader-style to bring them back to fighting shape. Basically, imagine the Jango clones becoming a mix between the Techpriests and the Space Marines.
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Then you also had elite clone legions like the 501st Legion operating as the heavy frontal assault units for the Imperial forces. Their first battle was the attack on Geonosis in EPII, their last battle was the Battle of Hoth in EPV.

So yeah, the clones continued to play an important role within the Empire long after Order 66.
 
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He didn't want Maul to survive for all three movies
People don't get that Maul is fucking awesome because of how little we see and know about him. Like Boba Fett, but Boba Fett had more legs as he was just sort of amoral and you could use him as the anti-hero in any sort of space western, plus give the propensity to have the bad guys turn on their hire help its very easy to have the bad guy thwart the heroes due to Boba, and then for that victory to be rendered meaningless as he tries to turn on Boba and gets ventilated.

Maul was just a murder machine. Bringing him back in the clone wars was the dumbest fucking shit even if the character arc was sort of cool, it could have just been a brother/father/uncle/son.
 
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