The Porn Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. - If only you knew how bad things really are.

[California Newt]

It might be schizo babble, but it's literally one post above yours.

@California Newt Mind expanding on some portions of your post such as "Nobody is an atheist in the gooncave—not in deed, and not in experience" and the concept of a God that can be touched? It sounds like you are comparing the act of fapping and ga ga, spanking the monkey or doing the five-knuckle shuffle if you will, with a spiritual experience like those experienced by mystics the type of Faustina Kowalska.

I don't know who Faustuna Kowalska is, but yes—with qualifications. Religious experiences are on a spectrum; it's not a binary between empty notional belief and full-on mystical union. The Orthodox layman, in the greatest depth of prayer he's capable of, is having just as authentic of a religious experience as the hesychast (to my understanding); the degree of contact is just different.

Gooning is a kind of religious practice with its terminus in a form of western tantra, but which starts at simple masturbation. People forget the origin of the term "gooning": it didn't originally just mean edging, or masturbation—it specifically referred to a trance state achiveved through masturbation. An altered state of consciousness. Isn't it odd how that's been forgotten?

Even before you get to that point (the tantra) explicitly, you see stuff like penis mantras.

It's not even that odd for lower degrees of such a system to not notionally acknowledge the religiosity; you see the same kind of thing in freemasonry, for example: the stated purpose of the rituals is to alter you psychology so that you're more amenable to the deeper degrees, which from what I understand terminate in a form of Neoplatonism.

In gooning there are similar esoteric elements, but the deeper levels are an open secret rather than obscured by a complex, official degree system—they're hidden only by the masturbator's (or sex addict's) own incredulity and unwillingness (or inability) to look squarely at the whole picture.

Also, maybe I'm reading too much into your use of specific words, but does God have personhood in your view?

God is a Person, yes. Phenomenologically, gods—spirits more generally—are experienced as persons. There's no such thing as an impersonal vice or virtue; these are qualities of persons. People experience the energies of virtue and vice as having personal fountainheads.

The concept of "impersonal forces" more generally also appears to be a notional philosophical construct and antipsychotic coping mechanism after the western world's abandonment of God (who held the world together), alien to base human phenomenological experience. Natural forces also have personal fountainheads, according to the human soul.

While men correctly understand all forces to have a personal fountainhead, they can divide these forces up arbitrarily and give them made-up names. For sexual forces, some of these names were Venus, Priapus, and Sobek. Actual spirits will take up these names and manipulate these forces in order to decieve men. Satan will masquerade as Venus, Priapus and Sobek—exciting sexual energies in the human body thtough various means, while slipping his own poison in—until his initiates are marinated enough to accept him undiluted (if "ironically" or "only as a fetish" at first). Judging from poppers hypno videos, that doesn't take long these days. It becomes purely about death and the dissolution of boundaries—energized by the immolation of your own soul.

Truth is a person: that's why you can have "fidelity" to Truth, which is the basis for honesty moreso than notional rational processes: if you try to use logic without fidelity to Truth, your attention filtering mechanism won't feed you the right premises to get you to the conclusion. This One (and I don't mean "One" in a Neoplatonic sense—I'm just capitalizing out of respect) isn't an arbitrary man-made division. That'd be impossible: Truth has no arbitrary boundaries.

In Christianity, this is Jesus Christ: "Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice."

 

[Paper Machete]

A missing conversation is that a lot of the worst addicts were EPI-ed. Their compulsions are in large part because of a sort of traumatization.

As for stuff like "wah, I can't help it girls aren't hot anymore" most of the guys with such complaints aren't much themselves and have delusions of grandeur that they "deserve" someone out of their own league, to use the parlance. I have no idea where they get these ideas. I don't even really think from pron and duh movies itself since that's been around for a while and the rampant "it's cause all chicks are fat now (also is fat)". I think it's because of the rise in narcissistic traits because of how people use social media and that effecting them. This is a real phenomenon. And probably has more to do with it than being able to look up MILF Bangers 3000.

It's not only because of lack of sex either. There are women, fit women to boot, who have talked about how they're trying to get their guy to be interested in sex with them (again or at all) and trying all sorts of fun lingerie and shiet but he is too mindfucked by the coom to give a shit. Not as widespread a problem as people doom post about. But that's also a real situation that happens. It's probably like how being lonely is better than being in a miserable relationship but being alone isn't better than being in a good relationship. It's only a "stand in" for what you don't have when you don't have it but some people have issues with use regardless of relationship status or access to sex. Keeping in mind addictions are behavioral in large part. Drugs add chemical dependency but that is in addition to the behavioral aspect of it.

 

[California Newt]

It might be schizo babble, but it's literally one post above yours.

I should expand on the solution; I forgot and left it implicit.

Men are already halfway to the solution with their better hobbies. Anything that takes skill approaches Truth asymptotically: skill tightly hugs the primordial, fatless, unbreakable living order undergirding the universe. It's like feeling the back muscles under the pelt of a giant Bengal tiger.

Prayer bridges the gap between the worldly manifestation of that order, and the Personality behind it. Without prayer—without communion, furthermore—all real art, skill, and love of beauty and justice lie frustrated.

I don't mean the kind of prayer where you're talking to your imaginary friend, I mean the kind where you're actually kind of afraid.

This is how to replace Sobek. This is the Psalter.

 

[⚞⛇⚟]

Not gonna magically happen, gotta ban it. At least ban it on social media to start. Porn is just prostitution, which is already illegal. That won't effect hentai, but you can just pass a new law about that, banning it.

While I agree with you that social media should do more to ban porn, as well as stuff that is "technically not porn but close enough", do you realize how unrealistic it is to make porn illegal? The government already has enough trouble catching people that view CP. In fact, a large percentage of people that view that shit stay uncaught for years because there are just so fucking many of them. If porn as a whole becomes illegal, than it won't be enforced at all and will only take away resources that the feds can use to find pedophiles.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

While I agree with you that social media should do more to ban porn, as well as stuff that is "technically not porn but close enough", do you realize how unrealistic it is to make porn illegal? The government already has enough trouble catching people that view CP. In fact, a large percentage of people that view that shit stay uncaught for years because there are just so fucking many of them. If porn as a whole becomes illegal, than it won't be enforced at all and will only take away resources that the feds can use to find pedophiles.

Nobody's saying to go after regular porn viewers at all, just the site hosts, a ban would simply involve telling PornHub and such to fuck off and forcing social media to ban all porn (other sites have done it, like Tumblr). It wouldn't impact anything related to finding and prosecuting pedophiles.

 

[9th year in hell]

Women don't like porn because it strips them of the power they had over men. That would be sex. Women have used sex as a weapon against men for decades. As soon as porn started to become more readily available to men women's power over men started to decline and they started a war against porn. Of course, they side with the moral fags and prudes against porn.

I used to think that this was true, but after some lurking, this is not how women think at all. This statement implies the same women who say "patriarchy systems just rape women" also claims that women could the "sex boycott" meme at the same time? Doesn't make any sense if you look at the timeline. I think that women today are more dependent on porn being legal/available than men are, from a "moral" perspective. I know women and morals are a meme on /pol/, but bare with me here in this wall of text.

Porn is in the benefit of a woman to get away with promiscuity (porn and feminism is entangled for this very reason). It's the reason for why men "accept", or at least don't/can't demand virgin women anymore (because they think it's ok to be cucked). In the Gorl Tawk section and similar forums of that nature, the women often use the "watched porn = can't be picky moid" excuse (with some incel memes for good measure), so in the eyes of a woman: As long porn is "allowed" to be around they don't have to fulfil the "virginity wish" that (mentally "healthy") guys have, at least for a wife. But that would be a real non-coom brain "demand". But somehow these female circles have deluded themselves that if you watch the digital cucking, you become more picky instead!?

Since it's literally everywhere, and I include softcore material that is in music videos, TikTok, X and Instagram too, it's a very convenient cope for women to always use porn to deflect this topic. I have never seen in those anit-porn threads (with allegedly mostly women) admit that (some of) the "virginity demand" is from non-coomers. Every single thread they will instantly go to the coomer memes and "complain" that it is the porns fault for these "heckn unreasonable waifu" demands... at the same time saying porn is a cuck thing! So if you got a woman actually arguing against porn being banned, most of the push back is from other women knowing damn well that they would be screwed over socially in the future since then they can't use said "watched porn = can't be picky" excuse anymore.

In short: Women just don't like porn where they are portrayed being mistreated because it might normalize mistreating women, but they do indeed support porn as available "content" since it will lower mens dating standards, which benefits most women overall today.

 

[FunPosting101]

Porn isn't the problem, social isolation is.

 

[Trump's Chosen]

porn is in the benefit of a woman to get away with promiscuity

How is it not the same for men?

 

[9th year in hell]

How is it not the same for men?

Morally: It's corrupting them too.
Practically (statistically overall): Virginity is often somehing men value more than women, the whole text explains why this dynamic favors women mostly.

 

[California Newt]

Women don't like porn because it strips them of the power they had over men.

Maybe, but I don't care what women do or don't like. Ban porn because it's awful.

"B-b-buh it d-doesn't cause—"

I don't care. Ugly things deserve to be destroyed.

 

[BradeRunna]

I used to think that this was true, but after some lurking, this is not how women think at all. This statement implies the same women who say "patriarchy systems just rape women" also claims that women could the "sex boycott" meme at the same time? Doesn't make any sense if you look at the timeline. I think that women today are more dependent on porn being legal/available than men are, from a "moral" perspective. I know women and morals are a meme on /pol/, but bare with me here in this wall of text.

Porn is in the benefit of a woman to get away with promiscuity (porn and feminism is entangled for this very reason). It's the reason for why men "accept", or at least don't/can't demand virgin women anymore (because they think it's ok to be cucked). In the Gorl Tawk section and similar forums of that nature, the women often use the "watched porn = can't be picky moid" excuse (with some incel memes for good measure), so in the eyes of a woman: As long porn is "allowed" to be around they don't have to fulfil the "virginity wish" that (mentally "healthy") guys have, at least for a wife. But that would be a real non-coom brain "demand". But somehow these female circles have deluded themselves that if you watch the digital cucking, you become more picky instead!?

Since it's literally everywhere, and I include softcore material that is in music videos, TikTok, X and Instagram too, it's a very convenient cope for women to always use porn to deflect this topic. I have never seen in those anit-porn threads (with allegedly mostly women) admit that (some of) the "virginity demand" is from non-coomers. Every single thread they will instantly go to the coomer memes and "complain" that it is the porns fault for these "heckn unreasonable waifu" demands... at the same time saying porn is a cuck thing! So if you got a woman actually arguing against porn being banned, most of the push back is from other women knowing damn well that they would be screwed over socially in the future since then they can't use said "watched porn = can't be picky" excuse anymore.

In short: Women just don't like porn where they are portrayed being mistreated because it might normalize mistreating women, but they do indeed support porn as available "content" since it will lower mens dating standards, which benefits most women overall today.

Women using sex as a weapon against men isn't a new thing. It also doesn't take being a feminist for women to play the "you aren't getting laid anymore" card. Anyone who has ever dealt with women knows how they behave and the kind of shit they pull. They act stupid and when you call them out for their stupid shit, they get all shitty and start cutting off sex. Instead of saying "yeah maybe he was right, and I was acting like a dumb fuck or saying stupid shit" they go right for sex denial. Plenty of men are in sexless relationships or marriages. They are living with expensive roommates.

You are completely wrong. Porn strips women of their power to dictate when men will get off. Porn gives men an alternative outlet for their sexual needs. Especially in this day and age where getting laid isn't that easy anymore or safe if you take all the diseases into account. No, porn doesn't give women any kind of power at all. That's stupid shit they tell the dumb bitches who get into the industry. It's a cope they use to make themselves feel better about being whores. They are literally having sex for money. Put a camera in the room and its now porn. Have you seen the attitudes of some of these modern women out there? Even the ugliest fattest and most average of them think their holes are worth a million dollars. They think they are all 10's. But porn didn't cause that. That's shit women put in their own heads.

Porn hasn't caused men to lower their standards. Men have always had to lower their standards. If they didn't, they would never get laid. Which is where the so called "incels" come from. They are men who refuse to lower their standards. Just like the modern woman refuses to lower her standards and will end up dying alone surrounded by cats in a house or apartment that smells like piss. Thanks to porn men aren't walking around horny enough to put with their stupid shit anymore. In the past before porn men were constantly horny and women were put on a pedestal. Men would jump through all sorts of hoops and act like clowns to get a few minutes of tepid sex. Porn has completely changed that, and women don't like it. Matter of fact they are refusing to adapt in a situation where it's adapt or die. Many of them are choosing die. Modern women still think they are on the pedestal like it's 1965.

Yes, women are good at bitching about things they don't like. What's new? LOL

Maybe, but I don't care what women do or don't like. Ban porn because it's awful.

"B-b-buh it d-doesn't cause—"

I don't care. Ugly things deserve to be destroyed.

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Then we should ban cars as well because they are ugly and cause pollution. We should also ban guns because they are ugly and are used to kill people. We should also ban cigarettes because they are ugly and cause lung cancer and other health problems. Alcohol should also be banned because it causes all sorts of health and social problems. Oh wait, we already tried banning alcohol and it doesn't work. The same for drugs.

The Western world lacks the will needed to enforce a ban on anything. In order to enforce a ban, you have to start killing people who violate the ban. That's never going to happen. So, a ban will never work.

95% of porn available these days is 100% free. Good lucking banning something when you can just easily share it over the internet through a file sharing site or whatever.

Banning porn is a Boomer tier level stupid idea. If you don't like porn just don't watch it.

 

[Dawdler]

Good lucking banning something when you can just easily share it over the internet through a file sharing site or whatever.

If you remember the covidsorship. Goverment can easily do that. It just doesn't want to.

 

[BradeRunna]

If you remember the covidsorship. Goverment can easily do that. It just doesn't want to.

I don't know what was banned during the pandemic.

 

[Dawdler]

I don't know what was banned during the pandemic.

"Facebook has removed more than 110,000 pieces of Covid-related misinformation generated by Australian accounts in the first year of the pandemic, the company has revealed."
They can easily do it

 

[BradeRunna]

"Facebook has removed more than 110,000 pieces of Covid-related misinformation generated by Australian accounts in the first year of the pandemic, the company has revealed."
They can easily do it

That's Boomerbook posts. That's nothing like enforcing a ban on an actual physical thing like drugs alcohol or porn.

 

[Dawdler]

You forgot the prohibition ... err lockdowns?

 

[California Newt]

Then we should ban cars as well because they are ugly and cause pollution. We should also ban guns because they are ugly and are used to kill people. We should also ban cigarettes because they are ugly and cause lung cancer and other health problems. Alcohol should also be banned because it causes all sorts of health and social problems. Oh wait, we already tried banning alcohol and it doesn't work. The same for drugs.

The Western world lacks the will needed to enforce a ban on anything. In order to enforce a ban, you have to start killing people who violate the ban. That's never going to happen. So, a ban will never work.

95% of porn available these days is 100% free. Good lucking banning something when you can just easily share it over the internet through a file sharing site or whatever.

Banning porn is a Boomer tier level stupid idea. If you don't like porn just don't watch it.

Prohibition worked.

Cars and guns have redeeming qualities. Smog can be fixed, and sometimes you just need to shoot people. Alcohol is good in some contexts too, so new prohibition laws would take that into account.

The organized crime argument isn’t good. Alcoholism fell dramatically under prohibition. Should we legalize CP so organized crime can't make money on that either?

You have no idea what the political will is going to be in the near future.

As far as drugs go, you should come to my neck of the woods if you want to see what the hands off "harm reduction" route looks like in practice.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

How is it not the same for men?

It's easier for women to be promiscuous, generally speaking. Society's more conducive to it, the culture encourages it, and so on.

That's Boomerbook posts. That's nothing like enforcing a ban on an actual physical thing like drugs alcohol or porn.

Porn is mostly digital now I'd imagine, how popular are DVDs and magazines at this point?

 

[ParasiteSteve]

I think the porn problem is just people unable to either see what the real issue is, or are afraid of giving something they want up. Porn has been around a long time, why the issue now? Why is gaming addiction, or social media addiction, or sitting on your arse binging netflix, disney etc and so on. Its the fucking internet, its entertainment being a vast ocean of content to suit anyone to the point they never have to leave their little box.

No matter what you want, you can find it. Hardcore gay furry porn, podcasts on gruesome murders, DIY instructional, people talking about RPG videogames, almost every film ever made, people talking about the films that were ever made, people discussing genres of movies, and how they relate to some gay music scene in the 80s. Its a never ending influx of distractions, suited for any mood and any personality. People change, and you can find a whole host of social media and videos, maybe even a music scene that is heavily linked with this new thing. You never leave your box, you just stare at the new anti-woke video serious, or maybe a tranny talking about how hard it is being a tranny which they choose to be, and they are playing all the ressident evil games on emulators. You can find a whole host of videos and discussions about emulation.

Do you see the problem yet? your looking at it if your reading this, it sits in your rooms, all over the house, in any building you go into. It captures your eyes and takes control of your ears so that it can keep your attention forever.

Gooners and the people who like to tell everyone how much they hate gooners are just a tiny corner of a monolith so big it would send you insane if you were truly able to see how vast it is.

 

[soup peddler]

It captures your eyes and takes control of your ears so that it can keep your attention forever.

100% completely spot on. The internet is such an unbelievably potent stream of entertainment that I don't know how society is ever going to kick this addiction unless it's forced to by things going very, very wrong. It can basically hijack every human impulse that's propelled society forever and satisfy these desires instantly and without productivity. We used to have to work and create for sex, novelty, and connection, but these cheap substitutes are available everywhere, all the time, easily. I don't know how to fix this... it's like we broke society by letting this thrive, and COVID sped up the timeline.