The Great Porn Debate - The Coomites vs Anti-Faparians

[Turquoise]

More or less, but trying to outright ban it isnt going to work in the digital era, internet era.

IMO its one of many things that exist that you shouldnt try to ban altogether as cons outweigh the positives. Alcohol is the greatest example of this. Now with that said theres certainly no reason society should tolerate (((people))) happily pushing and nonchalantly embracing onlyfans and the like.

Although still easily accessible, porn is officially banned in China and the kids are significantly less coombrained than westerners.

Banning something absolutely makes a difference, since it creates a social stigma. Just look at how conformist and easily led people are in the US. The government made people afraid to breathe air just a few years ago. They could easily reduce porn consumption by banning it and telling us Nazis watch it.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Banning something absolutely makes a difference, since it creates a social stigma. Just look at how conformist and easily led people are in the US. The government made people afraid to breathe air just a few years ago. They could easily reduce porn consumption by banning it and telling us Nazis watch it.

These are really good points.

 

[Slap47]

Banning something absolutely makes a difference, since it creates a social stigma. Just look at how conformist and easily led people are in the US. The government made people afraid to breathe air just a few years ago. They could easily reduce porn consumption by banning it and telling us Nazis watch it.

This is the case with every country on earth except America. The US have a culture where the govt actively taking a role in crushing something makes it stronger.

Crazy evangelicals dominating the US govt for half a century resulted in this current crazy woke wave and created an insane pro-drugs mindset that most other countries to do not have.

 

[Turquoise]

Our overlords will love OnlyFans and cam websites too because they transfer money from the hands of men to the biggest consoomer demographic on the planet - young women.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Crazy evangelicals dominating the US govt for half a century resulted in this current crazy woke wave

There's literally zero correlation between evangelical Christians preaching actual morality and truly insane Wokeists preaching their demonic sex cult, antiwhiteism, and climate doomsday doctrines.

 

[Legalize Asbestos]

For those that argue that pornography is free speech, how do you cross that with child pornography? For adherents to this defense, why does one fall under freedom of speech but not the other?

Thread was necro'd so I am here to screech an answer at you six months later.

Some speech falls under 'obscenity' which is just an older way of saying 'offensive'. ie. it breaches moral standards.

Squaring obscenity (in this case pornography) with free speech is typically done by saying: 'Public display is illegal. You can still do it, but it must be underground. No one is allowed to condone it in public.' IOW it has to be arranged so that you can only find it if you go looking for it, it cannot be stumbled upon. This gets poo-poo'd as ineffective, but in 2024 we've all learned how retarded the average person is and how well de-platforming works; out-of-sight out-of-mind is effective. The diehards persist, the addicts get their fix, but normies desist.

The problem is not the speech aspect. It's getting gay and diverse America to agree on the obscenity aspect. Unfortunately you have no overarching beliefs to override everyone with, because you have a huge chunk of the populace at war with each other who believe all evil is good so long as it's done to the enemy. So even if 'porn is bad' is a common belief in America, there'll be no action on it because that 'bad' can be inflicted on the enemy camp.

Get enough in common again, and you can make it obscene in the eyes of the common good. Get a supermajority, and you can declare it criminal. Speech doesn't have to ever enter the equation. This goes double for CSAM.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Kind of, except guns are useful and porn isn't.

Like I said, when porn bans lifted, sex crimes dropped. However, demand for more extreme porn has risen. Also porn can involve real promiscuity or worse ("that's no good").

It should be treated more like illegal drugs, where the harm greatly outweighs the benefits.

There was internet porn before Current Year. But there wasn't "social media", "identity politics", that Clown World "cooming" and "gooning", or streaming ultra HD 4K video.

Oh yeah, and there was no "dating apps", "simping", nor "OnlyFans" BS either. And people didn't carry "smartphones" around 24-7 then.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Like I said, when porn bans lifted, sex crimes dropped. However, demand for more extreme porn has risen. Also porn can involve real promiscuity or worse ("that's no good").

It's more about reducing availability for the general online public. The more extreme gooners can go to the greasy porn shack in person.

There was internet porn before Current Year. But there wasn't "social media", "identity politics", that Clown World "cooming" and "gooning", or streaming ultra HD 4K video.

Oh yeah, and there was no "dating apps", "simping", nor "OnlyFans" BS either. And people didn't carry "smartphones" around 24-7 then.

To continue with the drug analogy, back in the day when it was grainy gifs being distributed on floppies porn was more like a joint, as opposed to a full on fentalnyl epidemic like we have now.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

It's more about reducing availability for the general online public. The more extreme gooners can go to the greasy porn shack in person.

So what you think should be done is revert the state of porno back to what such was in the 1980s? Maybe that's not such a bad idea...



(And maybe fashion, movies, and music should also go '80s too?)

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

So what you think should be done is revert the state of porno back to what such was in the 1980s? Maybe that's not such a bad idea...



(Maybe fashion, movies, and music should also go '80s too?)

The 80's were based. Good movies too. But need 90's music and early 00's internet.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

The 80's were based. Good movies too. But need 90's music and early 00's internet.

I think this world could've been a better place had "social media" never took off, the iPhone never released, and 9/11 didn't happen.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

My point is that if they decide porn should be banned, then the government is going to be deciding what already-established legal speech will be banned and this site will be next. After all, we have threads that laugh at Republicans, Trump and Elon, and since they will be running this country, they won't hesitate to ban it given the chance

The whole "porn is free speech" argument is bullshit anyway. It's a slippery slope, next they'll say "CP is free speech.

I think there can be a slippery slope in the other direction, such as more and more declared porno. Also, even if it's a relatively new idea, I also think that porno can be free speech within certain limits, like how the Supreme Court established that Miller test for obscenity. It's best if there's a good balance between either slippery slope.

But personally, I think porno isn't so great even when just involving promiscuity, or when it involves real unmarried people doing it -- that's not even more extreme stuff. And of course the state of porno in Clown World is somewhat excessive, what with that "OnlyFans" BS, that "simping" BS, and then there is that "coomer" and "gooner" crap...

 

[ToroidalBoat]

porn is filled with AI

porn

AI porno

I think Clown World is making porno worse. Before Current Year, the terms "coomer" and "gooner" weren't things yet, there was no 4K ultra HD streaming, and AI bots wasn't a thing yet. I think there's also an increase in incest -- if the fails of "Chris Chan" are any indicator -- and "cucking" in porno, and I'm sure there's "identity politics".

If it's still Clown World in 2050, can you imagine how insane internet porno overall could get by then? And of course, kids have unrestricted access with "smartphones" now.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

The 80's were based. Good movies too. But need 90's music and early 00's internet.

Late 90's Internet would suffice but sure.

It's more about reducing availability for the general online public.

I think that should be the goal of a porn ban, reducing as much of it as you can. There's no way major websites should exist so openly.