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Arse Biscuit said:
It's also worth mentioning that someone landed a drone on the white house lawn a couple of years back AND that trying to shoot one down is damn near impossible (US Marines are instructed not to shoot at ISIS's Amazon drones, because shooting straight up at something you can't hit is a non-starter.)
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Trying to shoot one down with your run-of-the-mill assault rifle might be pretty damn hard if the drone is small or manuevering quickly (which means it's unlikely to be laden with some sort of dangerous payload).

People shoot down quickly flying birds and sporting clays with shotguns all the time, 40+ yards. I can't imagine a plastic drone with a bunch of tiny propellers and motors and electronics is going to be resilient against a load of #4 birdshot.

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And if the payload is, say, a glass fiber-wrapped baggie of RDX, it doesn't matter if the secret service knocks him down and covers him.

Everyone thinks he's okay, for about a day. Even if they don't, glass fibers don't show up on X-ray or MRI worth a damn.
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Glass fibers are incredibly light compared to their surface area, using them as a fragmentation jacket or "physical injury" payload around an explosive will not accomplish anything as they will simply not retain any velocity/energy and will not penetrate anything.
 
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Varg Did Nothing Wrong said:
Trying to shoot one down with your run-of-the-mill assault rifle might be pretty damn hard if the drone is small or manuevering quickly (which means it's unlikely to be laden with some sort of dangerous payload).

People shoot down quickly flying birds and sporting clays with shotguns all the time, 40+ yards. I can't imagine a plastic drone with a bunch of tiny propellers and motors and electronics is going to be resilient against a load of #4 birdshot.
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First you have to see it. Then you have to hit it. And the payload as described can weigh less than 2 ounces.

For additional laughs, have 2 or 3 of them.
 
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Arse Biscuit said:
First you have to see it. Then you have to hit it. And the payload as described can weigh less than 2 ounces.

For additional laughs, have 2 or 3 of them.
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True, it might take another 3-4 people standing in a rough perimeter around the Prez and looking at the skies, but it's not impossible.

Regarding the payload, I edited my original comment - where have you seen fiberglass-wrapped explosives used as a fragmentation jacket? This is the first I've seen anything about using glass fibers as a projectile / fragmentation around explosives, and I have serious doubts about the feasibility of it.
 
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Can you use drones with proper authorization in the speech or it's only for the media or it's 100℅ banned?
 
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Varg Did Nothing Wrong said:
True, it might take another 3-4 people standing in a rough perimeter around the Prez and looking at the skies, but it's not impossible.

Regarding the payload, I edited my original comment - where have you seen fiberglass-wrapped explosives used as a fragmentation jacket? This is the first I've seen anything about using glass fibers as a projectile / fragmentation around explosives, and I have serious doubts about the feasibility of it.
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Fiberglass has been used to magnify explosions since 1918 (the MK3 grenade, which reduced the weight of a hand grenade from 7 pounds to 1 pound). Poisoning the wrap was proposed even then, but discarded as inhumane (in world war one, har har). Embedded fiberglass is hilarious all by itself, but as a vector for something nasty, it's perfect, as you can't find and dig out all the fibers.

In addition, fleshette-style delivery would be feasible, if you had time and access to a lathe and a mill, and maybe some thin-gauge carbon rod. In fact, that would be the way to go. Fleshettes delivering wads of toxic fiberglass.

And as for the toxin, just use aluminum, which is totally harmless...Unless put into the blood stream.

PortsideDave said:
I dunno why people are scared some lefty is gonna assassinate trump. They're either too scared to do it or too incompetent to handle any deadly weapon.
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This is the real reason nothing is going to happen. They still think wearing pink hats is going to overthrow the system.
 
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No gun-toting right wing whackadoo managed even one credible attempt on Obama for 8 years, even though the left was shitting their pants in fear it would happen at the inauguration because anywhere there wasn't an organic grocery in this country was nothing but heavily-armed KKK members and their secret sympathisers.....

You really think the left has any chance of bettering THAT?
 
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Varg Did Nothing Wrong said:
People shoot down quickly flying birds and sporting clays with shotguns all the time, 40+ yards. I can't imagine a plastic drone with a bunch of tiny propellers and motors and electronics is going to be resilient against a load of #4 birdshot.
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And the idea that drones are invisible is crazy. Once your brain is trained to see certain things in the sky you can see them when others can't. It's been at least a decade since I've done any duck hunting, but I still know when there are ducks in the sky out to crazy distances even out of the corner of my eye. I can usually identify species even when they're near invisible specs on the horizon, and it's not all that special of a skill.

This is besides the fact that this is a no-fly zone with bleeding edge anti-drone equipment in the immediate area.

Silly sperging about animu technologies that have no basis in the real world is auristic as hell.
 
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Arse Biscuit said:
Fiberglass has been used to magnify explosions since 1918 (the MK3 grenade, which reduced the weight of a hand grenade from 7 pounds to 1 pound). Poisoning the wrap was proposed even then, but discarded as inhumane (in world war one, har har). Embedded fiberglass is hilarious all by itself, but as a vector for something nasty, it's perfect, as you can't find and dig out all the fibers.

In addition, fleshette-style delivery would be feasible, if you had time and access to a lathe and a mill, and maybe some thin-gauge carbon rod. In fact, that would be the way to go. Fleshettes delivering wads of toxic fiberglass.

And as for the toxin, just use aluminum, which is totally harmless...Unless put into the blood stream.
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Use of fiberglass to magnify explosions I can see - it's got a decently high tensile strength and therefore works to build pressure, potentially, however the only modern grenades that use fiberglass as the body material are either riot control or offensive grenades that do not have any fragmentability.

I don't have first-hand experience nor have I read anything about this. However, like I said above, I believe you are wildly overstating the lethality or even the danger of fiberglass as a jacket for an explosive. Fiberglass is nasty shit - you don't want to breathe it in or get it on your skin as it will irritate the shit out of it. But the fibers have no mass, and without mass they have no penetrative ability. Wrapping fiberglass around an explosive charge will not shoot millions of glass fibers through 15-30 feet of airspace and drive them into a person's body. And even if it did, microscopic glass fibers might cause irritation or potentially infection at the site, but they are not life-threatening IMHO.

They might go pretty fast as soon as they are driven by the blast wave, provided they aren't shattered or broken, but they are extremely aerodynamically unstable and weigh nothing, meaning air resistance will instantly stop them and will send them off on unpredictable flight patterns. It would be like packing an explosive charge with shreds of tinfoil and confetti.

Again, this is all IMHO.

Arse Biscuit said:
In addition, fleshette-style delivery would be feasible, if you had time and access to a lathe and a mill, and maybe some thin-gauge carbon rod. In fact, that would be the way to go. Fleshettes delivering wads of toxic fiberglass.

And as for the toxin, just use aluminum, which is totally harmless...Unless put into the blood stream.
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Flechette*

Flechettes are basically darts meant to be fired en-masse from a gun barrel. And they were proven to be pretty shit when they were tested in various conflicts.

I have no idea what you're talking about here.
 
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We've had nuclear weapons for seventy years now. Amazing how people still haven't done heir homework and genuinely believing there's a big red "LAUNCH FUCKIN" EVERYTHING!" button on a desktop somewhere.... and fret the next incoming President will accidentally sit on it at best, and push it while cackling maniacally at worst.
 
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Varg Did Nothing Wrong said:
Use of fiberglass to magnify explosions I can see - it's got a decently high tensile strength and therefore works to build pressure, potentially, however the only modern grenades that use fiberglass as the body material are either riot control or offensive grenades that do not have any fragmentability.

I don't have first-hand experience nor have I read anything about this. However, like I said above, I believe you are wildly overstating the lethality or even the danger of fiberglass as a jacket for an explosive. Fiberglass is nasty shit - you don't want to breathe it in or get it on your skin as it will irritate the shit out of it. But the fibers have no mass, and without mass they have no penetrative ability. Wrapping fiberglass around an explosive charge will not shoot millions of glass fibers through 15-30 feet of airspace and drive them into a person's body. And even if it did, microscopic glass fibers might cause irritation or potentially infection at the site, but they are not life-threatening IMHO.

They might go pretty fast as soon as they are driven by the blast wave, provided they aren't shattered or broken, but they are extremely aerodynamically unstable and weigh nothing, meaning air resistance will instantly stop them and will send them off on unpredictable flight patterns. It would be like packing an explosive charge with shreds of tinfoil and confetti.

Again, this is all IMHO.



Flechette*

Flechettes are basically darts meant to be fired en-masse from a gun barrel. And they were proven to be pretty shit when they were tested in various conflicts.

I have no idea what you're talking about here.
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Yes, flechette. My bad. And the darts have been delivered from everything from dropping baskets of them out of biplanes onto troops in trenches (not effective) to CAWS (very effective). In this case, all it has to do is penetrate the target' skin.

In any case, stoop is modeled on contact or near contact with the target, since the point is to get one guy. If the guy piloting the drone can't manage getting within a couple of feet, then there is no combination of vehicle and payload that would be nimble enough to even have a chance. Stoop as designed is a lot more complex and you aren't going to do it in your garage.
 
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TowinKarz said:
No gun-toting right wing whackadoo managed even one credible attempt on Obama for 8 years, even though the left was shitting their pants in fear it would happen at the inauguration because anywhere there wasn't an organic grocery in this country was nothing but heavily-armed KKK members and their secret sympathisers.....

You really think the left has any chance of bettering THAT?
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There was that one autistic illegal British kid that couldn't even manage becoming An Hinckley during the primary, at least.
 
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