Trainwreck The Empathic Nutritionist / Empathic Mamahood / Robyn Grogitsky-Ramirez / Luna Elva Ramirez / Glenn Ramirez / Atlas Glenn Standford Ramirez - Eyefucking Sociopath Selfie Addict Mother and Closeted Gymrat Pothead Father who use Instagram to Parade their Homemade Homunculus Tard Baby Created by their Refusal to Follow any Medical Oversights

[Ms. Marple]

It’s probably Luna that’s getting between them. I think Glenn is a clown but he has accepted what they did to Luna. He probably still loves her but has made peace with her terminal condition. Robyn on the other hand.. well, we all know how deeply delusional she is. Robyn gets defensive when people dare to glance at Luna the wrong way. I can only imagine how she gets when confronted with reality. He can’t leave. He’s stuck. So that’s how he copes. The whole family needs therapy and they need to process what has happened and the inevitable. I just don’t see Robyn allowing that.
She will never take responsibility for anything wrong in her life. Never mind Luna the potato, a four year old who can’t put a sentence together, a marriage that seems very dysfunctional and troubled. None of this is her fault. Nothing some woo and mlm magic can’t fix. It’s always some external force she can blame or use to fix but never any real introspection and the thought that maybe Robyn is the problem here. Everyone makes mistakes and it’s okay to feel shitty about them but learn from them. Globyn made a cardinal mistake but it doesn’t mean they can’t ever recover from that and have peace again. For Robyn admitting a mistake would be the ultimate narcissistic injury she would never recover from.

 

[Alamo basement dweller]

Off topic but I’ve been wondering this lately as Oak Tree seems to be progressing like a normal and healthy kid.

How do you all think Robyn will explain it to him when he asks why neither his older sister OR brother can talk to him? Imagine a year from now when he’s babbling away and Atlas still hasn’t said a word even though he should be at least in kindergarten and not just speaking but also writing. I wonder if it will in turn stunt his language development because he 1) won’t be hearing language modeled nearly as much as he would in a household with three verbal children and 2) won’t have his siblings to practice with. The poor kid will think HE is the weird one because he CAN talk. It’s some real Tarzan shit.

 

[Evan]

Off topic but I’ve been wondering this lately as Oak Tree seems to be progressing like a normal and healthy kid.

How do you all think Robyn will explain it to him when he asks why neither his older sister OR brother can talk to him? Imagine a year from now when he’s babbling away and Atlas still hasn’t said a word even though he should be at least in kindergarten and not just speaking but also writing. I wonder if it will in turn stunt his language development because he 1) won’t be hearing language modeled nearly as much as he would in a household with three verbal children and 2) won’t have his siblings to practice with. The poor kid will think HE is the weird one because he CAN talk. It’s some real Tarzan shit.

My extremely optimistic hope is that communication with Sumac will improve Atlas's speech. Unfortunately, they could both create a stunted language together that only they understand instead.

 

[LonesomeDud]

Oh look, GymBrah pretending to give a shit about Luna in a photo, SpermBrows pretending to give a shit about Atlas in a video. Precious family times

Looking at all parts of you, even your fundamentally broken pieces of flesh and blood, isn't easy. Not every man can do that. It takes no small amount of courage to do so. Give the old gay devil his dues.

 

[AugustusGloo]

I pop in every couple months to see if Luna is dead yet and it Atlas is talking yet.

Atlas is going to be four next month. The fact that he is still not speaking is honestly reprehensible. We're veering towards medical and educational neglect. It is not normal. At this rate, the Tree Baby is going to surpass Atlas in development within the next six months. (Most babies will have mama/dada by their birthday and starting to get a good basic single word vocabulary by 18 months).

I feel like even if Atlas's tongue surgery was botched, he would still be a more persistent verbal communicator. Maybe wouldn't understand, but he would be more intense and probably frustrated. He also seems way more socially connected and calm compared to a lot if autistic kids. So, have we not speculated that he too had a mild hypoxic injury from his perfect beautiful unattended home birth???

 

[Evan]

I pop in every couple months to see if Luna is dead yet and it Atlas is talking yet.

Atlas is going to be four next month. The fact that he is still not speaking is honestly reprehensible. We're veering towards medical and educational neglect. It is not normal. At this rate, the Tree Baby is going to surpass Atlas in development within the next six months. (Most babies will have mama/dada by their birthday and starting to get a good basic single word vocabulary by 18 months).

I feel like even if Atlas's tongue surgery was botched, he would still be a more persistent verbal communicator. Maybe wouldn't understand, but he would be more intense and probably frustrated. He also seems way more socially connected and calm compared to a lot if autistic kids. So, have we not speculated that he too had a mild hypoxic injury from his perfect beautiful unattended home birth???

I speculated it a few months ago

IF Atlas had a minor hypoxic event, it could be related. I can't say that did happen, though, but considering her firstborn and the research I read, it's possible. I know Globyn isn't modeling speech in a normal way in that creepy house, which is also why she hasn't at least taught him to sign a decent bit, so it's probably a combination of things, but I highly suspect it isn't just neglect.

 

[fagnarok]

I pop in every couple months to see if Luna is dead yet and it Atlas is talking yet.

Atlas is going to be four next month. The fact that he is still not speaking is honestly reprehensible. We're veering towards medical and educational neglect. It is not normal. At this rate, the Tree Baby is going to surpass Atlas in development within the next six months. (Most babies will have mama/dada by their birthday and starting to get a good basic single word vocabulary by 18 months).

I feel like even if Atlas's tongue surgery was botched, he would still be a more persistent verbal communicator. Maybe wouldn't understand, but he would be more intense and probably frustrated. He also seems way more socially connected and calm compared to a lot if autistic kids. So, have we not speculated that he too had a mild hypoxic injury from his perfect beautiful unattended home birth???

It really seems like Atlas understands that attempting to communicate is utterly futile, and he has accepted this is his reality.

Luna is basically his only reference point for how "other children" "live." She obviously can't communicate either, so he has no template to show him what a child who can talk or who has any agency whatsoever might be like.

He probably also knows on some intrinsic level that Robyn is just going to do and think whatever she wants in order to suit herself, even if anyone does bother to say anything. His dad is the perfect example: Glenn talking only serves to generate more hot air and nothing ever changes.

(I, too, read this thread hoping today will be the day Luna is finally released from this wretched existence.)

 

[Breadbear]

It really seems like Atlas understands that attempting to communicate is utterly futile, and he has accepted this is his reality.

Kids can and do just check out if they think their efforts are pointless. If the most he gets is an "Oh, that's nice" and a pat on the head when he speaks, he's not going to bother speaking anymore.
I'll be optimistic and wonder if he's not spending a lot of time with the Spanish speaking part of the family, and hope that he's just "behind" because he's in a bilingual environment. In which case, he'll start catching up in about a year.

 

[AugustusGloo]

I'll be optimistic and wonder if he's not spending a lot of time with the Spanish speaking part of the family, and hope that he's just "behind" because he's in a bilingual environment. In which case, he'll start catching up in about a year.

Bilingual kids can be slightly behind in language development, but like, that means slightly. Like, by months. Four year old bilingual kids should be pretty much fluent in both languages (maybe they mix up the two sometimes, maybe they know some words in spanish but don't know it in english). Not eerily silent.

Luna is basically his only reference point for how "other children" "live." She obviously can't communicate either, so he has no template to show him what a child who can talk or who has any agency whatsoever might be like.

Kids with no exposure to other kids might end up having weird social skills. but they still talk. functionally nonverbal at age four is waaay beyond "hopefully he just catches up".

I speculated it a few months ago

I'm with you. neglected kids still learn to TALK. It is hard wired in our brains. maybe he's autistic, maybe he's got some kind of brain damage, maybe it's something else, but it is not something benign.

 

[Ash's_Chainsaw_Hand]

Just looked at the IG story. That tacky gringa took video at the abuela's funeral and posted it with mariachi music. How did glenbrah not smack the phone out of her hand????

 

[GenociderSyo]

She had Oaken's tongue snipped by the same person who did Atlas's even EARLIER then Atlas's was. She may have fucked up all 3 kids.

Atlas does not fit an autism diagnosis. We have seen him show cadence and pitch in having conversions he lacks the ability to articulate.

Robyn IG:

Glenn IG:

 

[unwieldy_object]

I pop in every couple months to see if Luna is dead yet and it Atlas is talking yet.

Atlas is going to be four next month. The fact that he is still not speaking is honestly reprehensible. We're veering towards medical and educational neglect. It is not normal. At this rate, the Tree Baby is going to surpass Atlas in development within the next six months. (Most babies will have mama/dada by their birthday and starting to get a good basic single word vocabulary by 18 months).

I feel like even if Atlas's tongue surgery was botched, he would still be a more persistent verbal communicator. Maybe wouldn't understand, but he would be more intense and probably frustrated. He also seems way more socially connected and calm compared to a lot if autistic kids. So, have we not speculated that he too had a mild hypoxic injury from his perfect beautiful unattended home birth???

Something just hit me. Is it possible to make an anonymous report of a child in need of help for the child protection service where the Globyns live?
I mean, I'm curious if that would be a possibility for Robyn's mum for example, because she must know something is wrong by now and there are hints that they see their families on a regular basis.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Her mother is a mandated reporter due to her job.

 

[Allo Vera]

I honestly don’t think we can confidently say that Atlas doesn’t fit the diagnostic criteria for autism going by a few curated IG videos. Not being able to speak at nearly 4 is so grossly abnormal. Even my autistic speech delayed kid was developing speech at a rate of knots by this age (please send puzzle pieces).

 

[Just A Rat]

The tongue cutting is all woo, right? Because (mild pl) I knew a guy with an actual tongue tie, and it didn’t seem to affect him at all, beyond the fact that he couldn’t really stick his tongue out normally. I guess it could have made feeding as an infant more complicated, but he was a robust and healthy man with no speech impediment, so it clearly wasn’t a big deal in the end.

 

[VisceraNexus]

I honestly don’t think we can confidently say that Atlas doesn’t fit the diagnostic criteria for autism going by a few curated IG videos.

I'm right with you here. The focus has never really been on Atlas, and in most snippets we see of him from either parent, he's not being focused on for extended lengths of time. Even if it's not autism, he's absolutely developmentally delayed, but it's a bit hard to tell the degree of delay from the bits and pieces we get to see.

Also (it's not letting me quote, sorry) the tongue cutting isn't woo in all cases, a tongue tie can genuinely make normal speech impossible and prevent normal latching in breast feeding in certain medical conditions. It's the reason behind the tongue tie snipping where the woo comes in. Atlas and Oaken have not been medically assessed by any clinician as far as we have seen, only by woo practitioners who believe snipping the tongue tie of all people would benefit them for completely insane reasons, and it's been shown to be detrimental when it's done unnecessarily.

 

[DenseDeerFather]

Man, this thread continues to be so hard to read. The trainwreck tag is fitting but I want to make the argument that horror cow fits too. Semantics aside, I am probably echoing many people here when I say that I hope Luna dies. Not because I hate her but her every waking moment is agony.

I keep checking in every blue moon to see if she has passed.

It's rather telling and concerning that their second kid hasn't begun talking by age 4 and I dare not to think what little tree is absorbing of fucked-up mental illness with parents like that.

I mean, at this point, there has to be some kind of entity that would look at this and take the kids away from Woobyn and Gymrat. Or maybe that's just optimistic thinking.

Hopefully Atlas and Oak grow up to be moderately functional adults, seek some much-needed therapy and cease all contact with their shit parents.

 

[fagnarok]

Kids with no exposure to other kids might end up having weird social skills. but they still talk. functionally nonverbal at age four is waaay beyond "hopefully he just catches up".

Just for the record, I'm not the same commenter who said "hopefully he just catches up."
I think Globyn have failed this child one way or another, in fact in many ways (although slightly short of "every single possible way" like they did Luna), and am [top hats] about it.

Although I'm with Syo that he isn't autistic. Apparently "autistic" is current-year's word for "every sort of retardation", but the actual term has specific meanings and it shouldn't be applied to every single instance of childhood delay caused by organic issues (like birth injury) or parental neglect.

 

[Disgruntled Pupper]

Only a photo for daughter's day? Where's the videos Robyn? Shove some puree in her mouth and prove she still moves, you child ruining bitch!

 

[Sammies#1Fan]

Just looked at the IG story. That tacky gringa took video at the abuela's funeral and posted it with mariachi music. How did glenbrah not smack the phone out of her hand????

I don't comment on this thread often, I am with most of y'all who are just waiting for poor Buna to be out of her misery, but "tacky gringa" gave me a little chuckle. Thanks.