The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[Chugger]

In 1939, there were about 3.2 million Jews in Poland. In 1945, there were only about 100,000. What's the Holocaust denier theory for where all those Jews went?

There's a German document called the Korherr report which gives info on the departed Jews. In the first version it says 1.5 million were given "special treatment" a self-declared euphemistic term for execution. In the second version (which Himmler called "great camouflage") it says they were transported into the "Russian East". Revisionists think the alleged death camps, of which it is well documented Jews were transported to, were mere transit camps, pit stops for them to continue on to the Russian East. Needless to say there's no evidence these Jews were transported into or housed in the Russian East.

What you see with John Doe is a refusal to engage with this or any other evidence which might shed light on what happened to these transported Jews. The huge graves at the sites of the "transit" camps are more evidence, simply ignored. Ultimately history is an exploration of "what happened" and you can see this is not important for these people; their only interest is myopically critiquing a given history.

 

[The Ugly One]

People who say the Holocaust happened are presenting a theory, however. They assert that the absolute iron-clad truth is that all those Jews that they claim vanished were rounded up, transported to amusement parks of death, killed by exotic means like deadly roller coasters, bears and eagles, electrified floors, gas chambers, etc

You seem fixated on the fictional "amusement parks of death" story, which I had never heard of until Holocaust revisionists brought it up, and I've read several mainstream histories of WWII. This is like continuing to bring up the story of Rip Van Winkle as evidence that the American Revolution probably didn't happen.

A pretty extraordinary claim, requiring extraordinary evidence, which has yet to be presented.

"Prewar and postwar censuses of Poland are relatively reliable" is not an extraordinary claim.

 

[Bonesjones]

You seem fixated on the fictional "amusement parks of death" story

You mean all of the Holocaust? None of its backed by scientific data making it all fictional.

which I had never heard of until Holocaust revisionists brought it up, and I've read several mainstream histories of WWII.

Just because you are ignorant doesn't mean anything besides hoping to push your own agenda.

This is like continuing to bring up the story of Rip Van Winkle as evidence that the American Revolution probably didn't happen.

He says in a 300+ page thread about bringing up irrelevant information to hide the fact there is no scientific basis for the holocaust.

"Prewar and postwar censuses of Poland are relatively reliable" is not an extraordinary claim.

So explain why the USA took measures to manipulate its post war census to hide the fact extraordinary jews were illegally immigrating here. Just because no one disputes something doesn't mean it's factual, it just means no one has an impetus to look further.

 

[Forsaken Wanderer]

This is not burden of proof. You don't have even have an alternate hypothesis for the graves, much less evidence for one. You've failed on the most basic level.


Kola specifies cremains and that they are of human origin. Cremains are not from wood or trash, definitionally.


I never said that the large graves are direct evidence, they're very strong circumstantial evidence that the mainstream story is correct.

He gave you alternate theories for what these apparent ash piles are. You have absolutely no reason to assume that a pile of ash is the remains of millions of Jews other than the clearly made up story of the Holocaust.

In 1939, there were about 3.2 million Jews in Poland. In 1945, there were only about 100,000. What's the Holocaust denier theory for where all those Jews went?

I'm not saying you are wrong but when the Jews turned 600,000 into 6 million then could they not have turned 3.2 million into 100,000 by fudging the figures? Also you have the Jews of the pale in Russia which migrated to other countries in significant numbers, could the same have happened in Poland.

To be honest all you need to prove that the Holocaust is fake are the laws that make it illegal to deny it in so many countries, if the story was true there is absolutely no reason you would have these laws in place.

 

[Chugger]

He gave you alternate theories for what these apparent ash piles are. You have absolutely no reason to assume that a pile of ash is the remains of millions of Jews other than the clearly made up story of the Holocaust.

Firstly the claim is~150k died there, in accordance with documentary and witness evidence.

He says the ashes could be trash or wood, which is possible but that doesn't explain the 20,000 cubic meters of grave space. You don't need that much space to house the ashes of a few hundred or even a few thousand people.

The described pits, to put the size in perspective, were long trenches 4-10 meters wide and stretched for a kilometer combined. The explanation that they were burning trash or a relative small number of people doesn't fit with the size of the pits. The average cremains volume per person would be less than 2 liters in all likelihood , a cubic meter is 1000 liters.

The most sensible position from a rev perspective is that the researchers are lying.

The first grave.
[...]The grave has an irregular shape; the width of the northern part can be established at 8 m and narrows by 3 meters towards the south. Its length equals 62 m. More or less in the middle, it is cut by a concrete road of the period between 1962 and 1964. Its irregular shape and relatively insignificant length in comparison with the other graves indicate that the grave was dug by hand.[...]While uncovering the grave we noticed that the earth must have contained some active substances: protective rubber gloves became destroyed.
Collected earth samples were examined by the Karol Marcinkowski University of Medical Sciences in Poznań, Department of Forensic Medicine. Caustic substances in the grave may provide evidence for experiments connected with liquidation of corpses.

The second grave, so-called "włocławska"
[...]Situated about 20 m east of the old forest track, the grave runs parallel to it. Its current length is marked with a stone wall and equals 185 m. In order to establish its actual run, transverse probes were put up, while in inaccessible places drills were made.
On the basis of the drills made, it was possible to state that the clearing where the grave is situated was originally longer: it stretched over 45 m further south. The grave had an irregular width, ranging from about 7 m in the southeastern part, through about 10 m in the middle part, to only 4 m in the northeastern edge. While the new layout was being uncovered, the existence of burned-out objects and ashes as well as crushed human bones both burned and unburned was stated.[...]

The third grave.
Located parallel to the forest wall. On the basis of probing surveys and drills, it was stated that it reaches the forest from the south (SE), insignificantly entering its area. It passes under the forest track, which during the war most likely in this part of the clearing ran along the then forest wall, situated further on than the present one. A stone wall (about 135 meters long), which was to determine the stretch of the grave, is narrower by 2 m than the actual width of the grave. Its total length equals 174 m, width about 8 m. The contents of the grave includes sandy soil with gravel, burn waste, ash, and crushed human bones.

The fourth grave.
It is represented by a 140-metre-long wall. Located between the third and the fifth graves; its presumed location does not correspond with the actual location. The fundamental fourth grave is located between the wall of the fourth non-existent grave and covers the whole fifth grave. Its actual width equals 10 m, while its length is 182 m. It is filled with gray sandy soil mixed with inclusions of burn waste, ash and crushed bones.

The fifth grave
The last grave, or rather a line of pits filled with ashes, was not commemorated with any walls; in the 1960s it was already not discernible on the surface. On the basis of the description by Judge W. Bednarz it appears that in 1945 the pits were examined by him.
The total length of these pits equals 161 m. The stretch is made up of 11 pits, each located about 2-3 m from another. The dimensions of the pits vary from 9x7.5 m to 15.50x8.50 m. They are filled with gray soil with a significant mixture of burn waste and crushed human bones. In the southern (SE) part of the grave the bones found in the pits used to be ground; those in further parts - crushed. According to W. Bednarz, the depth of the pits was about 4 m, and the width 8-10 m. Even now the flora on the pits is more luxuriant, making this stretch more visible on the surface.

 

[Oligarca Caballero]

To be honest all you need to prove that the Holocaust is fake are the laws that make it illegal to deny it in so many countries, if the story was true there is absolutely no reason you would have these laws in place.

This does not prove anything though, but it does tell you jews hold too much power and naturally want to silence narratives that they consider dangerous. It reinforces their point of view but it doesn't make any of the claims false by any means, discourse is not equivalent to truth.

In the same way ukrainians uphold the Holodomor and chinks the Nanjing massacre as a keystone of their national identity, jews do the same to uphold the myth surrounding their status as special peoples. Denying the Holodomor is illegal in Ukraine, but it doesn't make the event any less true.

 

[Forsaken Wanderer]

This does not prove anything though, but it does tell you jews hold too much power and naturally want to silence narratives that they consider dangerous. It reinforces their point of view but it doesn't make any of the claims false by any means, discourse is not equivalent to truth.

In the same way ukrainians uphold the Holodomor and chinks the Nanjing massacre as a keystone of their national identity, jews do the same to uphold the myth surrounding their status as special peoples. Denying the Holodomor is illegal in Ukraine, but it doesn't make the event any less true.

I could understand if questioning the holocaust was illegal in Israel, but it's illegal in European countries.

If it all ended at the Jews declaring the holocaust to be the truth then that would be one thing, but it doesn't. The holocaust is the creation myth of both the European and the Jew. It is what allowed them to paint WWII as a war between good and evil. It is what allowed them to push in post-modern liberalism and globohomo. It is what allowed them to smear all white groups and call us evil.

This house of cards is built on the foundation of the holocaust being real. They are desperate for us to believe it. It's too important to allow us to think otherwise.

@Chugger 150k can fit with the holocaust being fake. 600,000 Jews were rounded up because the Germans were sick of them raping their kids. WWII breaks out, disease spreads through the camps and kills some of the Jews. The only thing these apparent ashes open up is the possibility of ovens being used. With the number of deaths being much lower then a crematorium could of been used, that is of course if any of this is more than just made up bullshit from the same establishment that tells us there are 151 genders.

 

[Chugger]

@Chugger 150k can fit with the holocaust being fake. 600,000 Jews were rounded up because the Germans were sick of them raping their kids. WWII breaks out, disease spreads through the camps and kills some of the Jews

Documents spell out exactly the Jews that were sent to chelmno. They were non working, elderly, children, injured, sick. This was the majority of Jews in that district - the warthegau

Chelmno was not a labor camp. Revisionists argue it was a mere stopover camp, but that doesn't explain the enormous graves.

 

[Bonesjones]

Firstly the claim is~150k died there, in accordance with documentary and witness evidence.

Notice: no scientific evidence.

He says the ashes could be trash or wood, which is possible but that doesn't explain the 20,000 cubic meters of grave space.

Notice: calling things graves and pretending anything else is incidental because he has no scientific proof of what's in the hole.

You don't need that much space to house the ashes of a few hundred or even a few thousand people.

Chugger pretends like he knows his ass from a hole in the ground.

The described pits, to put the size in perspective, were long trenches 4-10 meters wide and stretched for a kilometer combined.

So they dug giant wide pits multiple times the size heavy equipment does to bury bodies? Then redug them up later so they could burn over a hundred thousand bodies and rebury the ashes. Makes sense. It's almost like your story was made up by people with zero earth moving knowledge.

The explanation that they were burning trash or a relative small number of people doesn't fit with the size of the pits.

The adhoc manner your studies show pits being dug doesn't corelate to organized construction, defeating your entire assertion.

The average cremains volume per person would be less than 2 liters in all likelihood , a cubic meter is 1000 liters.

The volume of a brain is 1,300 cubic centimeters. Which sounds like a lot until you realize Chuggers is a fraction of that.

The most sensible position from a rev perspective is that the researchers are lying.

We know they are lying because they are doing a study in a country at a time where holocaust denial is illegal, they can only find one answer. Good job.

This does not prove anything though,

Blocking scientific study of a genocide to hide the truth should make you extremely skeptical of the validity of that genocide.

It reinforces their point of view but it doesn't make any of the claims false by any means, discourse is not equivalent to truth.

Making things unfalsifiable is a pretty good indication it's false. Why else would you block discovery unless you are afraid of the results?

Denying the Holodomor is illegal in Ukraine, but it doesn't make the event any less true.

The Soviet Union admitted to it.

Documents spell out exactly the Jews that were sent to chelmno. They were non working, elderly, children, injured, sick. This was the majority of Jews in that district - the warthegau

Crazy how everywhere jews live they are all one foot in the grave. What happened to all the healthy working jews?

Chelmno was not a labor camp. Revisionists argue it was a mere stopover camp, but that doesn't explain the enormous graves.

You still haven't shown a small grave.

The first grave: Its irregular shape and relatively insignificant length in comparison with the other graves indicate that the grave was dug by hand

So they plan a mass murder and dig a giant pit by hand, makes sense. Or it's grave robbers.

Second grave had an irregular width, ranging from about 7 m in the southeastern part, through about 10 m in the middle part, to only 4 m in the northeastern edge. While the new layout was being uncovered, the existence of burned-out objects and ashes as well as crushed human bones both burned and unburned was stated

Are the Nazis so useless they can't dig a hole? Or did they find a trash pit and pretend they found bones in it? We will never know.

The third grave. A stone wall (about 135 meters long), which was to determine the stretch of the grave, is narrower by 2 m than the actual width of the grave. Its total length equals 174 m, width about 8 m. The contents of the grave includes sandy soil with gravel, burn waste, ash, and crushed human bones.

Crazy how every time there is a wall there just happens to be a mass grave right next to it. I know I like undermining the foundation of places by digging giant pits next to them. Almost like they are pretending building foundations and camp boundaries are something else. Also crazy how they keep finding crushed human bones but can't seem to show any of them.

The fourth grave.
It is represented by a 140-metre-long wall.

you don't say.

The fifth grave
The last grave, or rather a line of pits filled with ashes, was not commemorated with any walls; in the 1960s it was already not discernible on the surface. On the basis of the description by Judge W. Bednarz it appears that in 1945 the pits were examined by him.

Hey look more things taken as fact based only on eye witness testimony.

“In summer 1942 a strong smell of decomposition became noticea-
ble coming from the mass graves in the forest. It grew increasingly
strong and covered the entire area. The corpse gases penetrated the
covering soil, which was merely half a meter thick and planted with
broom for camouflage reasons. Thereupon an incineration furnace
was erected which consisted of a pit of a circumference of 4 × 4 m
and a depth of 2 m, several iron railway tracks as a grate and an air
duct cut horizontally into the soil.”
This interpretation attributes the beginning of cremation at Chełmno to
sanitary needs

Hey look the same guy said they were cremating corpses that died from Typhus. Whoops.

The function of one trench has been established: it probably
served the Hitlerites to burn the victims’ personal belongings which
were unsuitable to be sent back to the Reich. Thus from the probing
trench dug during this survey a large number of objects was re-
trieved – studded handbags, purses, suitcases, shoes, belt buckles,
knives, clothes pins, prosthetic fittings, dentures, buttons – including
those from Soviet uniforms – casings of rifle cartridges, pistols, etc.

not even the mass graves were mass graves some are trash pits. Also Soviet items being included means it wasn't a place of genocide and also throw doubt on who did what. Whoops again.

https://sacrosanct.info/Books/Holocaust%2520Handbook%252023-%2520Chelmno.pdf

I'll just post this so Chugger will stop pretending his retardation means anything and he can't pretend he didn't see his rote copy paste be destroyed yet again.

 

[fresh pair of socks]

Chelmno was not a labor camp. Revisionists argue it was a mere stopover camp, but that doesn't explain the enormous graves.

According to holocaust scholars and eye-witnesses, there were no enormous graves, at least none that could be exhumed. They said the bodies were dug up, cremated, and the ashes and bones dumped in a nearby river. That's according to an eye-witness who claimed to be one of the sunderkommando. How did Kola find all these burned ashes when they were thrown in the river? Suddenly the reluctance to test the remains makes perfect sense.

Speaking of eye-witnesses, despite this being an extermination camp, there were multiple survivors. Only, no one seems to know their names or how many there were. Both the names and the numbers has been reported differently over the years. Someone even claimed to be an unidentified survivor over 50 years after the fact, even though the narrative didn't match up with the accepted history.

This is why scientific facts are most important. Witnesses can be mistaken. They can lie for personal gain. Science cannot lie; it can only be misinterpreted.

There's no reason to trust a story that rejects scientific examination, that makes asking questions illegal. The truth does not fear investigation.

 

[Chugger]

According to holocaust scholars and eye-witnesses, there were no enormous graves, at least none that could be exhumed. They said the bodies were dug up, cremated, and the ashes and bones dumped in a nearby river.

You're mistaken, this happened at Chelmno

From Heinrich May's (a German forester) post-war statement

After a few days the commandant of the special unit, SS-Sturmbannführer Bothmann, turned up at my house to talk over the concealment works. I noticed Bothmann was wearing a 1st Class Medal for War Merit (Kriegsverdienstkreuz I Klasse mit Schwertern). I went with Bothmann to district 77, and I was terrified entering that place for the first time. In one of the clearings, enlarged by cutting down some of the trees, I saw a grave about 200 meters long (650 feet) and five meters wide (16 feet). The grave was covered with earth that was about two meters high (6.5 feet). A bit further on I saw another grave 50 meters long (164 feet). In the neighboring clearing there was one more grave about 150 meters long (492 feet). About three-quarters of the length of the grave was covered up. From my side it was still open. I did not have enough courage to go there and look into it. Soon after, an enclosed truck appeared, which was moving backwards and then stopped right in front of the open part of the grave. The gendarme opened the van and I saw a pile of naked bodies. I was standing about 80 meters (262 feet) from the van. A group of half-naked forced laborers, supervised by one of the gendarmes, hurried to throw the corpses into the grave. Bothmann told me that the bodies had to be positioned precisely; otherwise not enough of them would fit into the grave. Parallel to the grave, a motorized excavator with a conveyor belt was digging another grave. The conveyor belt was also used to cover up the graves.​

 

[fresh pair of socks]

You're mistaken, this happened at Chelmno

If I'm mistaken, so are multiple sources.

A simple google search will confirm what I said, including sites like the WWII database and even wikipedia.

According to eye-witnesses, this happened at Chelmno, and the ashes were dumped in the Warta river.

 

[Bonesjones]

If I'm mistaken, so are multiple sources.

A simple google search will confirm what I said, including sites like the WWII database and even wikipedia.

According to eye-witnesses, this happened at Chelmno, and the ashes were dumped in the Warta river.

Chugger is just lying by omission as he always does.

To add: his own source says there are mass graves but they were done for hygenic purposes. So either way if there are they aren't genocide and if there aren't they aren't mass graves. He loses so he will just refuse to engage by dodging to a new line of inquiry, because he's a moronic coward.

 

[Chugger]

If I'm mistaken, so are multiple sources.

A simple google search will confirm what I said, including sites like the WWII database and even wikipedia.

According to eye-witnesses, this happened at Chelmno, and the ashes were dumped in the Warta river.

This is what the archeologist who examined the site said

Large amounts of ashes as well as ground or crushed human bones were partly thrown into the emptied graves, partly into the 11 trenches dug up in one row, parallel to the mass graves in the clearing. What amount was scattered over forests, what part was sent to Poznań to Fort VII, how much was sent to German settlers as a fertilizer - this we shall never find out. In the second phase of the center operation the ash problem was solved 'simpler' - the ashes were just thrown into the Ner River."

So the ashes were dumped in the river in the second phase of the camps operation (where far fewer were killed), but not the first, during which a considerable amount were thrown back in the graves after the cremation. Wikipedia is not the best source for things.

not even the mass graves were mass graves some are trash pits. Also Soviet items being included means it wasn't a place of genocide and also throw doubt on who did what.

You're relying on Mattogno, so here's an AI summary of his arguments about the graves

Based on my review of the document, Mattogno discusses the mass graves discovered at Chełmno in detail in Chapter 10 of his book. Here are the key points about the graves according to Mattogno:

1. The first investigations by Judge Bednarz in 1945 found graves containing "ashes, hair, traces of chlorine, bones and bone fragments as well as small objects" (p. 95).

2. Archaeological surveys in 1986-1987 found:
- A mass grave in Sector II, approximately 20 meters wide and 60 meters long
- Three long "arranged" pits in Sector IV, each measuring 150m x 5m
- Another pit in Sector III approximately 190 meters long

3. Later investigations in 2003-2004 claimed to have found:
- A grave 174m long and 8m wide
- A second parallel pit 182m long and 10m wide
- 11 additional pits between 9m x 7.5m and 8.5m x 15.5m

However, Mattogno strongly criticizes the methodology and evidence for these graves:

1. He argues the identification of the large grave in Sector II was based on only 4-5 widely spaced drill samples, which he considers scientifically inadequate (p. 101).

2. He contends the three 150m x 5m pits in Sector IV were merely "symbolic graves" created as a museum reconstruction, not actual mass graves (p. 101).

3. He notes that aerial photos from May 1942 do not show evidence of these large pits, even though they should have been visible if they existed at that time.

4. He points out contradictions between witness testimonies about grave dimensions - some claimed pits 6-8m wide and 4m deep, while others described different measurements.

In conclusion, Mattogno disputes the existence of most of the claimed mass graves, arguing the evidence is either inadequate or fabricated for memorial purposes rather than representing genuine burial sites from the war period.

Mattogno thought the graves were created by the museum?

Looking back through the text carefully, Mattogno discusses that some of the graves were "symbolic" rather than museum-dug. Here's the relevant quote:

"In 1964 Edward Serwanski published a map of Chełmno in which next to Sector D [Sector IV of Lorek's map], referred to as 'clearing with traces of the crematoria,' is Sector C, which is explained as follows: 'polana z symbolicznymi mogitami pomordowanych Zydow,' that is: 'clearing with symbolic graves of murdered Jews.' So the three graves in question are merely 'symbolic' — just like the common grave of the Lidice children — and the same goes for the alleged mass grave in Sector III. These graves are therefore 'uporzakowane,' 'arranged' in the sense that they are a symbolic museum reconstruction." (p. 101)

I need to correct my earlier characterization - Mattogno doesn't claim they were physically dug by the museum, but rather argues that they were marked or "arranged" as symbolic memorial sites. He notes that these graves are "uporzakowane" (arranged) rather than claiming they were actually excavated by the museum.

He is specifically referring to three long pits measuring 150m x 5m and suggests their designation as graves was for memorial purposes rather than representing actual mass graves from the war period.

What about the contents of the graves according to archeologists, which include crushed bone?

Yes, Mattogno does address the contents found in the graves, but somewhat briefly. He acknowledges that investigations found human remains, noting that in 1988 the Konin District Museum sent samples to the Institute of Forensic Medicine in Poznan containing "earth mixed with ashes and bone fragments" (p. 97).

The Institute confirmed these were human remains but reported that the percentage of residual bone in the material was only "kilka procent" ("a few percent") (p. 97). Mattogno uses this low percentage to argue against mass extermination:

"The analysis shows, however, that the soil contained only small proportions of human bone fragments and ashes. This, too, contradicts the thesis of mass cremation." (p. 105)

However, Mattogno appears to downplay or omit some findings described by archeologists in 1986-1987, who reported:

- "A huge amount of crushed human bones"
- Areas where "minute human bone fragments were found, especially ashes and bone dust"
- At one excavation site "the surface was covered with a mass of tiny bones" which made "a particularly gruesome impression" (pp. 96-97)

Mattogno acknowledges these findings but does not engage substantively with them, instead focusing his critique on the dimensions and identification of the graves themselves. His main argument appears to be that while human remains were found, the quantity was insufficient to support claims of mass murder, though he does not provide clear evidence for what quantity should be expected.

In this aspect, Mattogno's treatment appears somewhat selective - he emphasizes the "few percent" finding that supports his thesis while giving less attention to other archeological evidence of large quantities of human remains that might contradict it.

I don't have time for a deep dive right now, but I'll check back in a few days if there is interest.

You can find Mattogno's Chelmno book here https://archive.org/details/holocaust-handbook-series/23-Chelmno/page/103/mode/2up

 

[Bonesjones]

You're relying on Mattogno, so here's an AI summary of his arguments about the graves

Or you can just read the book I posted instead of pretending you've read something because you are a retard.

Mattogno thought the graves were created by the museum?

Why are you relying on AI to read for you?

I don't have time for a deep dive right now, but I'll check back in a few days if there is interest.

Shocking, Chugger finds a way to put in no effort, dodging everything, and coming back and hope it all blows over yet again.

You can find Mattogno's Chelmno book here

You mean the one I posted? You aren't even capable of understanding anything without needing AI summary. Are you Isreali?

 

[fresh pair of socks]

This is what the archeologist who examined the site said

Large amounts of ashes as well as ground or crushed human bones were partly thrown into the emptied graves, partly into the 11 trenches dug up in one row, parallel to the mass graves in the clearing. What amount was scattered over forests, what part was sent to Poznań to Fort VII, how much was sent to German settlers as a fertilizer - this we shall never find out. In the second phase of the center operation the ash problem was solved 'simpler' - the ashes were just thrown into the Ner River."

So the ashes were dumped in the river in the second phase, but not the first, during which a considerable amount were thrown back in the graves after the cremation. Wikipedia is not the best source for things.

"Considerable" amount. According to your own source, they have no way of knowing where the ashes went, or in what amount. Like I said before "gone with the wind." Ask a question, get a bogus answer and a deflection.

Also, this doesn't explain why you said I was mistaken before. Even your source confirms what I wrote about dumping ashes in the river. Your source can't say how many of the ashes ended up where either. No matter what, Kola could not have found the graves of 150k people; the math is not mathing.

 

[Bonesjones]

Also, this doesn't explain why you said I was mistaken before. Even your source confirms what I wrote about dumping ashes in the river. Your source can't say how many of the ashes ended up where either. No matter what, Kola could not have found the graves of 150k people; the math is not mathing.

When you start with the number you need to make your argument to work and invent new fields of math to get the conclusion you want, now you are doing things the Jewish way.

 

[John.Doe]

Also, this doesn't explain why you said I was mistaken before. Even your source confirms what I wrote about dumping ashes in the river. Your source can't say how many of the ashes ended up where either. No matter what, Kola could not have found the graves of 150k people; the math is not mathing.

You have to remember what he said, it doesn't matter if some, most, or all of his claims are fraudulent, it doesn't matter. According to Chugger its all true no matter what, evidence or honesty doesn't matter.

 

[Chugger]

Also, this doesn't explain why you said I was mistaken before.

I believed you were inferring the historical consensus was the graves contained no human remains, instead they went straight into the river. The archeologist said a "large amount" was on site.

If they contain some, but not all of the ashes, this is not really relevant either, since death count is not established this way but rather through German documentation of transports to the camp, which is not evidenced to have any other purpose.

As I said before, the graves + remains at Chelmno are not direct evidence of 150k dead but rather VERY strong circumstantial evidence that mass killing and burial and body destruction took place there.

And you still have no explanation for this physical evidence from a revisionist perspective. Mattogno doesn't explain it either, judging by the summary.

 

[Bonesjones]

I believed you were inferring the historical consensus was the graves contained no human remains, instead they went straight into the river. The archeologist said a "large amount" was on site.

So he doesn't know and assumes. Hmm.

If they contain some, but not all of the ashes, this is not really relevant either, since death count is not established this way but rather through German documentation of transports to the camp, which is not evidenced to have any other purpose.

Airports are the sites of mass graves, we know because people go there and disappear forever.

As I said before, the graves + remains at Chelmno are not direct evidence of 150k dead but rather VERY strong circumstantial evidence that mass killing and burial and body destruction took place there.

You assume again.

And you still have no explanation for this physical evidence from a revisionist perspective. Mattogno doesn't explain it either, judging by the summary.

You don't have any just assumptions. The guy who said mass graves existed in the first place said they were to treat Typhus, so is he right or wrong? If he's right then the mass graves are from hygenic treatment of disease. If he's wrong then ther are no mass graves since he's the key witness in saying they existed. Either way you lose thanks for not playing yet again.

Why don't you read what he wrote instead of posting more laughable nonsense you total faggot nigger.