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Oh and for the record to everyone here let me make my position a little clearer. Memeing aside I don't want the US to actually go TCD in the form of bombs, missiles, and AC-130s floating in the skies. Ok maybe the AC-130 part can stay if we do black ops because AC-130s are cool. This isn't necessarily due to fear of reprisal attacks or riots, but because it's not the solution we need right now, and it has the potential to devolve into another forever war. Going full ham on Mexico right now wouldn't really solve the problem beyond a couple of years maybe a decade implying it works. The whole "sending boots en-masse across the border" should be the very last resort in our toolbelt if we're being sensible, and should only really be more of a deterrent.

What I do want is smaller-scale operations in the form of taking out the worst offenders in raids, and precision strikes if applicable. One thing I do know is that the cartels will certainly hide among the civilian population of Mexico to deter US strikes if it got to that point. Compared to the last administration of letting the fucking border stay wide the fuck open I want the message sent that we do in fact see what you're doing down there, and we are very willing to kill you if you keep it up. This isn't the America of "do nothing lol"

It sucks that it has to even come to this, but an increase in the militarization of the southern border will also help. Border too porous? Then fucking close the leaks. I don't care how that's done whether it's the Great Wall of America, armed guards, landmines, or all fucking three just get it done.

Something needs to get done regardless of cnn recording people crying and bitching. Trump has the Mandate of Heaven for 2 years, and all 4 if we're lucky and he just keeps winning even in the midterms. The fact we are even discussing this at all right now shows people are getting fed up, and the old leftist tactics of crying brown people might not be as effective as some of you fear.

I also could just be retarded and wrong, and if I am remind me in 4 years.
All I know is the options are either work with the Mexican government that has enabled cartels for decades and continues to play rules games, or go into Mexico's backyard to give the cartels a bloody nose. There are consequences for both, but I'm not seeing anyone explain any better alternatives.
 
Seriously bro? 90 days?

We completely broke Iraq's government in about that amount of time. The only reason it stretched on and on for years is we decided to try to rebuild them in our image rather than say, "And if you so much as hint at annoying us, we'll do it again," and call it a day.

You can count the major cartels on your hands. It would take a matter of weeks for the USAF to completely destroy all the palace-compounds of the major cartel heads, and I doubt it would take a foreverwar to get Claudia Sheinbaum to agree to let us build a base in Durango.

are we gonna call it a special military operation too?.

Who's gonna give the narcos HIMARs launchers, Patriot missile systems, Bradleys, and F-15s?
 
I will say this. If terror attacks occur, the chance of American Militias forming and crossing into Mexico are non zero, especially among the border states. The Cartels will be inviting a war they cannot win with a ENDLESS stream of volunteers ready to kick their ass.
Wage a holy war on behalf of Joseph Smith in Mexico Welper!
 
What I do want is smaller-scale operations in the form of taking out the worst offenders in raids, and precision strikes if applicable.
i prefer building a better wall and starving mexico with economic sanctions like in children of men. "mexico can deal with mexican cartels, we just want to protect our porous border". you can sell that to the american public.
 
Nonsense, I have been assured by numerous posters even in this thread that the old bear is tired and on the ropes!
Trump isn't invading Mexico. He will makes it very painful for cartels to operate and the ruling families of Mexico will get onboard once they and their livelihoods are threatened. Unlike Ukrainian oligarchs they hate uncertainty, turmoil but most of all a severely restricted cash flow so they'll fold. The real issue is reining in the Mormon glowniggers that depend on the cash from illicit drug running.
 
Seriously bro? 90 days? are we gonna call it a special military operation too?
My theory on the strike on Kiev at the start of the Russo-Ukraine war is that their supply lines absolutely could not support a serious effort to take and hold the city (supplying mostly by air through the captured airport); it wasn't even serious enough to be a proper feint. My best guess (and I'll admit I'm no expert) is they just said "maybe the government just isn't serious, maybe they won't fight if we pressure them, maybe the army will just collapse." Hey, maybe. So they just tried it. That wasn't the case, they pulled out and started the serious grind to take territory, and they've been slowly advancing since.

For anyone saying the locals hate the cartels, we come in with a serious show of force and they'll have no will to fight and nowhere to hide, it'll all be over before domestic politics complicates anything; maybe. By all means, make a plan that can take advantage of the smoothest best case scenario for a quick victory. You had just also better plan for the worst. Model your enemy as a committed opposition with their own agency and goals and a will to resist you. Look at the board from the other side.
 
Agreed. What I said was that PLENTY of average Americans didn’t want Iraq II, but the folks in power ON BOTH SIDES did. Dems publicly flipped on it later on for purely political reasons but both “sides” of elites were all for it with the exception of a couple congressmen, Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich IIRC? Maybe a couple others.
Public support at that time did really not matter. The chips had already fell. It was not a Nam situation where public support was a factor in the decisions. It was ass covering and political opportunism that was the driver in charge. It did not matter what me or you thought at the time. That was not a factor in to the situations at all.
It is not a very pleasant feeling is it? To know that these people did this retarded bullshit, for their own ends and not to serve the American people.
 
Seriously we're doing jack shit now and we're going to invade? at least build the fucking actual wall first, that's like the bare minimum and again we're not doing it.

Just FYI some LATAM countries have already landmined the fuck out of their borders with their least friendly neighbors, it works and because there's a precedent they couldn't say shit against us for it.
We completely broke Iraq's government in about that amount of time.
Yeah we also disbanded their security forces turning the whole place into no-man's land and every hadji into an IED maker.
The only reason it stretched on and on for years is we decided to try to rebuild them in our image
We didn't rebuild shit, not even the infrastructure we blew up a decade before during Bush the first. We had to stick around because our other greatest ally the Saudies didn't want that shit spilling out into their territory. Consider they have us by the balls so hard they did 9/11 then funded the insurgency against us and nothing happened.
Who's gonna give the narcos HIMARs launchers, Patriot missile systems, Bradleys, and F-15s?
Whoever's selling, they already got billions thanks to all the cokeheads over here.
 
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Try Russian "advisors", "volunteers" and Russian materiel/FOB in border towns. I doubt Russia would pass up a chance to give America a taste of their own medicine. Careful what you wish for, fellow Kiwis.
The same Russians that got killed when Syria was liberated? The same Russians the USAF already butchered before?
The only people who should fear a Russian "volunteer" are local civilians.
 
It is not a very pleasant feeling is it? To know that these people did this retarded bullshit, for their own ends and not to serve the American people.
No, it most certainly is not. Never has been, never will be. You can learn to get used to it but you can’t learn to unsee it.
 
This also isn't getting into how China (who already uses Mexico to conduct their own opium war on the USA) and Russia (who would love nothing more than for the USA to eat shit and die because of Ukraine) would quietly slip cartels military-grade equipment under the table
Bro, both the Hohols and the Vatniks have been flooding the black market with Javelins and Stingshits and whatever for years now. Pablo 2.0 could likely get an Abrams.
The Cartels are deeply ingrained in Mexican society, outside of Mexico City they basically replaced the government. They are the state. An invasion would of course push them back, even the mexican army is too much to handle for them once an armed chopper shows up to blast them from above. But they would just retreat into the masses and hide there. So now you are stuck there occupying a country trying to where is waldo the cartel members in a population of 120 million people. That would cost millions a day. Meanwhile the narcos are open to consolidate, continue their drug trafficking operations and recruit young boys who want to make some money, now with the added appeal of being "resistance fighters".
The only way the US could defeat the Cartels is by launching straight up Stalinist purges with summary executions, mass killings and massive population transfers. Or the easier option: destroy the demand. Make drug addiction a crime, none of this "its an illness" pussy shit.
I am not opposed to this at all because the west could grow some balls again already but America doesnt have it in it right now.
Cracking down on druggies at home is way easier than cleaning all the latam jungles.
Amazing how after 20 years of failed wars like those there are retards who still think we should get into another foreign quagmire, you better fucking enlist and be on the frontlines of juarez city ready to take a bullet in the face for uncle Sam, had enough of you chickenhawk shits back in the dubya years. Seriously are you people retarded? we can just turn the entire border into an unpassable DMZ for a fraction of a fraction of the money and lives it would take to intervene in Mexico. We literally have nothing to gain from another forever war and with latinos now being the first minority and the bulk of them being mexicans you have to be eating lead paint chips to believe the violence is gonna stay south of the border. Mexico is not on the other side of the planet like the middle east, and we hardly had any Iraqis and Afghans living here back then. Our borders are so full of holes its not even funny and instead of actually reinforcing them and doing basic stuff like filling them with landmines we're sending more Americans to die abroad? is this 5-dimensional checkers again?

That's what I would do. Deport, fix the border, mine the fuck out of it. Fuck up any junkie so that smuggling it in through mines isn't worth it.

the gulf of mexico a few years back, the coast guard quite literally boarded a cartel submarine and seized god knows how many tons of cocaine.
2-5 tons. There are estimated to be over 500 of those. They are building them in the jungles.
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>Have the CIA usurp control of the cartels
>Have the CIA put lethal poison in the entire supply of cocaine bricks

Find a flaw.
CIA snorts it up.... wait that's not a flaw!

Addendum: Cartels aren't HOI4 nations. They are like Apple or Mcdonalds.
They don't respect borders and Latam is fucking full of them.

It wouldn't be the US army and the cartels drawing up battle lines where an Abrams can put uranium through a narco tank.

It would be a continent wide whackamole, where not only can your enemy go hide with civilians, but hop borders and hide in the jungle.
 

India Set to Take Back 18,000 Citizens From US to Placate Trump

India’s government is prepared to work with Donald Trump’s administration to identify and take back all its citizens residing illegally in the US, an early signal from New Delhi that it’s willing to comply with the incoming American president and avoid a trade war.

The US has identified some 18,000 illegal Indian migrants to be sent back home, for which India will verify and start the process of deportation, according to people familiar with the matter. The figure could be much higher than that, though, given that it’s unclear how many illegal Indian migrants live in the US, the people added, asking not to be identified because the discussions are private.

Youth from western India, in particular the states of Punjab and Gujarat, are believed to constitute a majority of the illegal immigrants in the US, the people said.

Like several other nations, India is working behind the scenes to appease the Trump administration and avoid the brunt of its trade threats. The crackdown on illegal migration has been a signature campaign pledge for Trump. Within hours of his inauguration Monday, the new president moved to fulfill that promise as he pushed to end birthright citizenship and mobilize troops on the US-Mexico border.

In return for its cooperation, India hopes that the Trump administration would protect legal immigration channels used by its citizens to enter the US such as student visas and the H-1B program for skilled workers. Indian citizens accounted for almost three-fourths of the 386,000 H-1B visas granted in 2023, according to official data.

Any slack in taking back illegal US migrants could also adversely affect India’s labor and mobility agreements with other countries, the people said. With a jobs shortage back home, Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government has signed migration agreements with an array of countries in recent years, including Taiwan, Saudi Arabia, Japan, Israel and others.

“As part of India-US cooperation on migration and mobility, both sides are engaged in a process to deter illegal migration. This is being done to create more avenues for legal migration from India to the US,” said Randhir Jaiswal, spokesperson for India’s Ministry of External Affairs. “The latest deportation of Indian nationals from the US by a chartered flight is a result of this cooperation,” he added, referring to an October repatriation action.

Rising Numbers

India is a relatively modest contributor of illegal migrants to the US, with its citizens accounting for about 3% of all unlawful crossings encountered by US border patrol officials in fiscal 2024, according to US Customs and Border Protection data. Latin American countries such as Mexico, Venezuela and Guatemala account for a far larger share.

However, the tally and share of Indian illegal migrants has been rising in recent years. In particular, it has shot up at the less-trafficked northern US border, where Indians account for almost a quarter of all illegal crossings and also the biggest share of unlawful migrants stopped at that entry point, the data show.

While the total number of illegal Indian migrants in the US isn’t certain, a report published last year by the Department of Homeland Security estimated some 220,000 unauthorized Indian immigrants resided in the US as of 2022.

India has already sought to show a cooperative attitude toward US border enforcement efforts, including toward officials in the Biden administration. The October repatriation flight with more than 100 Indian nationals built on the more than 1,100 Indian citizens deported during the previous 12 months.

Taking back illegal migrants could also further Modi’s goal of deterring secessionist movements overseas, according to the people, including the so-called Khalistan movement, which seeks to establish a separate Sikh state on Indian soil. India has cracked down on the movement, and officials believe some of the group’s backers in the US and Canada are illegal migrants.

Trade Worries​

While Modi is seen to have friendly ties with Trump and has welcomed the new administration, it is cautious of any unpredictable action from the US president, which could lead to a costly trade war. Trump has repeatedly complained that India’s high import taxes hurt American businesses and has vowed reciprocal duties on the South Asian nation.

In his first day in office, Trump focused his attention on immediate neighbors. The US president said on Monday that he was planning to impose tariffs of as much as 25% on Mexico and Canada by Feb. 1, blaming them for “allowing vast numbers of people” into the country.

Canada in particular was “a very bad abuser,” Trump said, complaining about fentanyl and migrants crossing its US border.
While it’s not fully clear why the northern US border has become such a major entry point for unauthorized migrants from India, reasons could include a halt to visa-free travel for Indians to El Salvador in 2023, and the relative ease of travel to Canada for Indians, according to the Niskanen Center, a Washington-based think tank.

“India will have do things in the domain where it is easy to deliver,” said Harsh Pant, a professor of International Relations at King’s College London. It will be difficult to deliver on trade and tariff because of “broader structural issues” and as the “two countries are in different stages of development”

“Illegal immigration is an area where India can demonstrate to the Trump administration that it is delivering.”

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All this delusional masturbatory talk about another war by limp-dicked retards while IRL even my proposal to militarize the border and fill it with landmines would likely be shot down by every politician left and right as being too harsh. You fucks live in a fantasy world where the shit from cowadoody games is real...

Are you fucking kidding me you brainless moron? you're saying we can just walk into another country and people there will cheer for us, you are the most delusional room temp IQ in this entire thread full of chickenhawk morons who want another unwinnable forever war while at the same time saying in other threads they would frag a recruiter if a draft happens, its like I'm surrounded by fucking schizos.

They literally do that all the time you idiot, they got the means and know-how already partly thanks to glowies teaching them how to do it when narcos were part of the anti-commie efforts in the 80's, not that you dumb zoomer ass would know. And in a nothing to lose scenario where we are already in Mexico they would have no reason to hold back.
Every post you make in this thread you just get more and more MATI lmao

You are even creating half the argument that you're pissing and shitting your pants at. You're one of the only people I've even seen ITT talking like some boots on the ground invasion with full mobilized units is some possibility and you're only talking about it so you can slap your retarded face in exasperated shrieking about how horrible it would be.

So naturally I have now entirely shifted my position and feel that we should nuke mexico on the grounds that it would be funny.
 
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