Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[mindlessobserver]

The "I am a Pro-Se Retard" defense is getting pretty played out and I hope the judge realizes it. It would probably land a bit better if the Pro Se retard was the Defendant rather then the Plaintiff. At the end of the day it's Russels responsibility to prosecute his cause. If he can't do it, for any reason including ignorance, it's over. It's not the courts job to prosecute it for him.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

The "I am a Pro-Se Retard" defense is getting pretty played out and I hope the judge realizes it. It would probably land a bit better if the Pro Se retard was the Defendant rather then the Plaintiff. At the end of the day it's Russels responsibility to prosecute his cause. If he can't do it, for any reason including ignorance, it's over. It's not the courts job to prosecute it for him.

"I'm just a retard" is a defense that works less and less the older you get, and the more involved with the world you get. Kids are stupid, and they can escape major consequences simply by owing up to it, but when you're in your 30s, and you run out of safety nets, that excuse doesn't work nearly as well in the real world. It's honestly shocking that Russ has gotten this far still hanging on to it, most people would not have that privilege.

 

[Billy Bong]

According to the new poll, people are more optimistic than me now, and I used to be the dumb one that was showered with rainbows.
You love to see it.

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

The "I am a Pro-Se Retard" defense is getting pretty played out and I hope the judge realizes it.

inb4 he pivots to the "PLEASE HELP ME SAAR I AM INDIAN I AM FUCKING INDIAN HELP ME SAAR I AM INDIAN I AM FUCKING INDIAN PLEASE HELP HELP ME PLEASE HELP I AM FUCKING INDIAN" defense and becomes a pioneer among legal scholars.

inb4 I get another

(not complaining, I found that hilarious)

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

So the district judge isn’t a permanent appointment? And if they’re considering the possibility of a permanent appointment, could that appointer having just changed affect his decisions around retard cases?

I have no idea how permanent appointments are decided.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

It's not the courts job to prosecute it for him.

"lol," said the judge. "lmao."

 

[TheOtherSideofMakeBelieve]

So the district judge isn’t a permanent appointment? And if they’re considering the possibility of a permanent appointment, could that appointer having just changed affect his decisions around retard cases?

I have no idea how permanent appointments are decided.

The district judge is, the magistrate isn't

 

[Bridgeburner]

According to the new poll, people are more optimistic than me now, and I used to be the dumb one that was showered with rainbows.
You love to see it.

Four years in, still in the discovery phase, I'm also not optimistic. There was a big fuss about case-ending sanctions which amounted to nothing, so I'm not holding my breath.

Also, District Judge has to decide this, right? Not the other, pissed-off magistrate judge. Maybe this one is even more lenient to retards.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

So the district judge isn’t a permanent appointment? And if they’re considering the possibility of a permanent appointment, could that appointer having just changed affect his decisions around retard cases?

What in God's name are you on about?

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

What in God's name are you on about?

I got it backwards, but I’m assuming that district judges are promoted from magistrates - and that magistrates might take that into account.

 

[lol cow supreme]

So the district judge isn’t a permanent appointment? And if they’re considering the possibility of a permanent appointment, could that appointer having just changed affect his decisions around retard cases?

I have no idea how permanent appointments are decided.

See:

Magistrate Judge issued the ruling. His superior -the District Judge- gets to rule on the objection

And:

Magistrate judges are appointed for terms, and because they're not Article III judges with lifetime tenure under the Constitution there are certain limitations to what they can do. A district judge is confirmed by the Senate, and they have the full power of an Article III judge under the Constitution and laws of the US. So you can think of this as Greer complaining that the junior varsity judge did something, so he's asking the varsity judge to redo it in his favor. But if Greer wins, it goes back to the magistrate judge who is probably not happy that his already lenient order was retardedly shat upon by Greer.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

and that magistrates might take that into account.

Take what into the account? He is not the one deciding on the objection.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

See

Yeah I fucked it up.

But if magistrates are where promotions to district come from, it would make sense why the magistrate is bending over backwards to prevent another successful appeal.

I’m presuming the shit out of it, but I suspect it’s one of the promotional factors (as promoting a judge who gets overturned a bunch seems counterproductive).

Take what into the account? He is not the one deciding on the objection.

Not the objection, but the case as a whole. (In general, I think Russ tattling to daddy is a very very bad move because if the magistrate has been eggshelling it’s quite likely that the district judge just says “you’ve worked hard enough for this retard, ream him out.”)

 

[Useful_Mistake]

but I’m assuming that district judges are promoted from magistrates

The only requirement for a district Judge is to be nominated by the President and confirmed by the senate. See, for example:

https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/types-federal-judges

https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/nominations.htm

The district judge assigned to our case, for example, has never been a magistrate:

https://www.fjc.gov/history/judges/barlow-david-bruce

Not the objection, but the case as a whole.

I still have no idea what you are on about

 

[Shig O'nella]

According to the new poll, people are more optimistic than me now, and I used to be the dumb one that was showered with rainbows.
You love to see it.

A politician has been seen publicly keeping his word.
I needed to put this unacustomed optimism somewhere before I got used to it.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

But if magistrates are where promotions to district come from, it would make sense why the magistrate is bending over backwards to prevent another successful appeal.

That's not formally how it works. District judges aren't promoted to their position from a lower position, they're appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate. In practice, a lot of district judges come from the ranks of magistrates because of experience and connections. They're "known quantities" in a sense.

But there are lots of magistrates who have done it their entire lives without being appointed to a district judgeship, and there are lots of district judges who weren't judges of any kind before their confirmation. And sometimes magistrate judges get appointed to even higher judgeships, like in the circuit courts of appeal, without first being district judges.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Then the “angling for promotion” idea is a non-starter.

I still think it was a serious whoopsie to complain to daddy about a judge who has been bending over backwards for the retard.

 

[Dizzyuntildeath]

I still think it was a serious whoopsie to complain to daddy about a judge who has been bending over backwards for the retard.

It's literally his signature move.

 

[ShinyStar]

With this and the "eager" part, I think what happened is Greer had a bad shizo hallucination and actually believes it.
Like what a weird lie to tell, it doesn't make sense.

A lot of people seem to be taking Russell's word for it that he never said that his witnesses were eager to testify, but he absolutely said that. He's denying that he said it now, because Hardin pointed out Russell's earlier claim about eager witnesses when pointing out Russ' lies in a recent motion. I'm not going to go through all the recent filings to see in which motion Hardin quoted Russ, but the original Russ quote comes from his Motion to Retransfer Venue on May 20th, 2024. The relevant part:



The post with the document in its entirety: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/greer-v-moon-no-20-cv-00647-d-utah-sep-16-2020.174285/post-18406535

Also, gotta love the misspelling of 'convenience.' The way Russ has spelled it is more similar to 'connivance,' which means, "tacit encouragement or assent (without participation) to wrongdoing by another." A bit of a Freudian slip there, particularly with Russell now claiming that his witnesses are willing to commit perjury...

 

[DHugo]

A lot of people seem to be taking Russell's word for it that he never said that his witnesses were eager to testify, but he absolutely said that. He's denying that he said it now, because Hardin pointed out Russell's earlier claim about eager witnesses when pointing out Russ' lies in a recent motion.

So he's just confusing Harding with the judge now.
Legal strategy that mortals can't comprehend.