Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Club Sandwich]

How doe Excise taxes on firearm production work? You see, I've heard for years that you should never buy a complete assembled AR and always buy Uppers and Lowers seperately to somehow beat the excise tax, but Isn't the tax already paid by the manufacturer the second the aluminum hunk reaches the stage of completion where ATF considers it to be a firearm?

you don't. licensed dealers and manufacturers, importers, and in some states ammunition vendors and firearm retailers must pay an excise tax annually that's an amount based on gross receipts for the goods that fall under the eligible category. end users typically don't pay any excise taxes because they are not "in the business" of any of those. on a technical level, the manufacturer is due to pay tax the quarter or year when an eligible item is produced from raw materials. i pay it yearly based on gross receipts for example, but in my COGS calculation for pricing, i charge the customer an additional percent to cover that cost, presented as built into the price of the firearm prior to transfer.

"firearms" in and of themselves (the lower or frame or whatever the serialized part is) is what is taxed. buying the parts separately has no special meaning. i assume a $39.99 blem PSA lower has a very small tax built into the price, or the manufacturer or retailer or distributor is eating the tax cost elsewhere in the supply chain. it might be more valuable for them to pay the tax on their books just to clear inventory space, et c.

that being said, there was an uproar a year or so ago since CA imposes an 11% excise tax on the retail buyer which is pretty unique among states - New York is considering it for example and Colorado also recently approved a 6.5% excise tax.

So...flash bang them?

sure, but that's a one and done. motion activated strobes that are pointed at them over a period of time keeps most away. you can also use ammonia if you're out in the fields since very strong odors can work too.

 

[888Flux]

My brain enjoys creating the most unhinged, but consistent gun logic in my nightmares.

I was being hunted by an axe murderer, who after driving the wrong way in traffic at night, and crashing into my car decided that they would chase me down on foot. I drive all the way back in a damaged car to I guess what was my house, and lock myself in a storage closet. In the closet there are the most insane looking firearms that would make even the Californian government blush. They are deformed in every way possible, Like something you'd see in a Gunbroker listing.

They are also all in fucking clamshell packaging. Desperately I try to open one, it looks like a S&W 686 except the cylinder is 10x the size with extra, uneven holes for no reason. After ripping open the package what I think is ammo falls out the back. I try to put the rounds in where they will actually be chambered, and realize that they are .357-shaped batteries. I fire one off and it just explodes in the barrel, leaving corrosive battery goop everywhere.

On the shelves are more firearms. I open the next one. It's identical to a Taurus G2C but has plastic extrusions that go out about 6 inches horziontally in the middle of the grip making it impossible to hold. This time, the package comes with 9mm shaped batteries. Great.

Lined along the shelves are containers that seem to have real cartridges and cartridge shapped batteries that are both in brass casings, and indistinguishable except for small + and - markings. I eventually sort through and find actual 9mm rounds. Then there is pounding on the door.

Next is finding the magazine. There are hundreds scattered about on the shelves Frantically I search for one and find one that fits. I find one, but you have to put the rounds in *vertically*. It's a full sized magazine that holds one round.

At this point I put the one round in, put the magazine in, and try to fire it through the door. Nothing happens. The pounding at the door is getting louder. I eject the magazine, and lock the slide back but the round is stuck inside the magazine. I try to claw it out with my fingers. Just as I get it out, out the hinges on the door snap. This motherfucker has a bowie knife in their hand and instantly tries to slash me with it. I fall to the floor, and jam the one round i have into the chamber, Put the slide forward, 200 lb trigger pull, and of course it completely misses flying way the fuck off into the wall. That's where I wake up.

Anyone else have dreams with retarded gun logic?

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Whispers on the wind say that Tommy of TommybuiltUSA sold all of his gun designs to some other company. He allegedly got dropped by his supplier(s?) and I'd be willing to believe it was over the T7 fiasco.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Machine-pistol Makarov:

The prototype of the Konovalov submachine gun was created in 1998. The well-known Makarov pistol served as its base.

Thanks to the improved design, the bolt moves a certain distance and grabs a cartridge for firing. It is picked up by the second inertial element, moves further and drives the cartridge into the breech of the barrel. Separating the bolt significantly reduced the recoil of the weapon and improved the accuracy of the bullet hitting the target. The rate of fire of the new model is 950-960 rounds per minute. The weight of the weapon is optimal - 1020 grams. The width of the submachine gun is 35 cm, the length is 16.15 cm. The designer increased the height to 146.75 millimeters. Initially, it was supposed to create a model measuring 230 mm.

Then it would be less rapid-fire and would fire 700 shots per minute.

 

[Particle Bored]

Could be the fudd in me, but I don't like box-magazine-fed lever guns. I think the Ruger American Ranch rifles do a better job of filling the niche these are trying for.

It least Henry is offering this with an 18" barrel. Americans in 5.56 only come in 16" for some dumb reason.

 

[ChampFantana]

Changing gears to the modern guns,

The Henry Supreme doesn't offend me as much as it should. I kinda like it.

I agree. It looks pretty cool with the wooden furniture in my eyes.

 

[Dean Pentel]

It least Henry is offering this with an 18" barrel. Americans in 5.56 only come in 16" for some dumb reason.

Why would the 2 inch difference matter?

 

[John Badman]

Shotshow is a fucking letdown.

 

[Buttigieg2020]

Shotshow is a fucking letdown.

Exactly, not nearly enough lever actions or PCCs this year.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Shotshow is a fucking letdown.

"We're doing something really RADICAL this year, guys!"
• model released 10 years ago now with MLOK rail and a QD slot right next to the magazine release
• red dot with 5 minutes of extra battery life for double the cost
• yet another 1-6 LPVO
• AR-15 with secret sauce
• actually good thing but is never produced at all ever looking at you, Kel-Tec M43
• clone vaguely similar to unobtanium gun but is actually completely different
"HOPE YOU LIKE IT!"

 

[Buttigieg2020]

Daewoo firearms being available in the US makes up for it though.

 

[DoNotFeedTheSneed]

Daewoo firearms being available in the US makes up for it though.

at really good prices too, no less. 1200 dollars for a K2. Definitely going to be picking one up when they become available

 

[Samhain]

Shotshow is a fucking letdown.

Only interesting thing I saw was Holosun's IRIS LAM, but that was teased last year too.

I have been made aware of another enhanced/upgraded Bolt/BCG offering, this time from a company called Leitner-Wise. They make some pretty big claims. The System is composed of their "Long Advance Bolt-Expanding Gas System" Bolt Carrier and "Combat Match Bolt" with proprietary enhanced Combat Match extractor. The Bolt Carrier's claim to fame is it's delayed unlocking achieved via altered campath geometry. They also claim that apparently most AR's made throughout history are actually improperly made as they say that their bolts only rotate 20.7 degrees instead of the proper 22 (like theirs does)
The Combat Match Bolt boasts enhanced bolt lugs and the previously mentioned proprietary and strengthened extractor. The Bolt is compatible with standard barrel extensions

I'm sure it's a nice BCG, but I find it very difficult to justify spending more than $300 on a BCG. Griffin Armament released their new "Enhanced Gas Pocket BCG" which looks like it has some interesting upgrades, but at $430, I'll pass.

 

[♦️ King of Diamonds ♦️]

Anybody have any opinions on the Tisas 1911 Raider?

Context is when I was in my very early 20's I cobbled and bubba'd together a frankenstein-1911 from a bunch of spare parts using the used lower receiver /frame of a Para-Ordnance 14-45 I bought at an auction. It's been the only pistol I've owned for years and even saved my life from a pissed-off moose on one occasion- but it's really starting to show it's age/wear and tear after being concealed carried daily for a very long time- with rust and the bluing peeling off among scratches, jiggly front sights and other issues.

I still want to keep it out of sentimentality but I want something modern and affordable that still packs the whallop of .45 ACP- aka the Lord's Calibre. I heard apparently the USMC used the 1911 up until 2022 and their more modern versions of it were called the "MEU(SOC)"? The colt ones are waaay too expensive for my shoestring budget right now (cheapest ones on GunBroker are $2500 minimum) but apparently the Turks of all people have cooked up a reproduction of it called the "Tisas 1911 Raider" and it's as cheap as $600?

 

[Buttigieg2020]

I still want to keep it out of sentimentality but I want something modern and affordable that still packs the whallop of .45 ACP

The HK 45 is about ~800 usd and by all accounts is a very well made and capable pistol.

You can never really be sure what you’re getting with a 1911. Although they are nice to shoot.

 

[geckogoy]

The colt ones are waaay too expensive for my shoestring budget right now (cheapest ones on GunBroker are $2500 minimum) but apparently the Turks of all people have cooked up a reproduction of it called the "Tisas 1911 Raider" and it's as cheap as $600?

Kimbers are supposed to be good and you can get one for a lot less than 2500 made by actual americans

appropriately parameterized gunbroker search: https://www.gunbroker.com/Semi-Auto...Ch-manufacturerName=Kimber&Ch-Caliber=.45 ACP

 

[Foley]

Ian is sceptical

 

[BikeLock]

Why would the 2 inch difference matter?

5.56 lives and dies on velocity.

Outside of an AR-15 it is pretty dumb not to use a 20" barrel, especially if you want the best terminal ballistics for hunting purposes. You lose way less with 18" vs 16". It's why the MK12 is 18" vs 16".

 

[likeacrackado]

Ian is sceptical

Ian also had a negative experience with the Repro Delisle shown at ShotShow:

It was a pretty disappointing ShotShow overall, unless you're into civilian nightvision or PSA novelty projects.

 

[Yours Truly 2095]