Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

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Hbomberguy did his charity stream for Mermaids in January 2019, so this is a post about Contra. You'd think he'd avoid the subject entirely after Contra's subtweet of him blew up last spring, but apparently not.
 
This is the "art of posting" according to Bluesky?
I think this will probably throw him a bit. A lot of his messaging is that he's the trans princess of TERF Island, explaining to Americans about how awful the UK is for trans people, holding it up as a cautionary tale for Americans while evoking sympathy.

Problem is, America's basically just done Section 28 on steroids for trans people. Workplace harassment of trans people is now legal. Misgendering by government departments is enforced. The oddly common veteran -> trans pipeline has been severed, legal recognition of transgender identities has been revoked and the official US government stance is now that the entire concept of gender identity is "inchoate". Federal funds cannot be used to promote anything relating to transgenderism.

Ollie would probably argue that in some ways the US has it better for trans people - a lot of the US has got more access to affirming healthcare through things like Medicaid, and barring vanishingly few exceptions trans women were already housed in men's prisons here. But his American audience aren't going to care about that - they'll be exclusively focused on Trump, and the ensuing years of legal battle to try and overturn his EO. They're not going to have the same capacity to care about the UK and they're not going to look to some English posho to talk to them about it, they'll be looking inwards at people like Tony Reed. Unironically this could destabilise his income stream.
It is kind of funny that after years of "TERF island", the US comes up from the rear to show the rest of the world how transphobia is done and kind of shows how reasonable the UK actually tends to be on this stuff.

I doubt many Kiwifarmers would agree, but I would consider myself more of a Leftish Gendercritical type and most of the stuff from Trump disgusts me. Even the anti-trans stuff just seems far too heavy handed and crude, and probably counter productive since its seating the issue as something that the hard right will turn into a bludgeon and accordingly I think this will dissuade Liberals and Leftists from easing off on some of the more ridiculous elements on their end.
 
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I think this will probably throw him a bit. A lot of his messaging is that he's the trans princess of TERF Island, explaining to Americans about how awful the UK is for trans people, holding it up as a cautionary tale for Americans while evoking sympathy.

Problem is, America's basically just done Section 28 on steroids for trans people. Workplace harassment of trans people is now legal. Misgendering by government departments is enforced. The oddly common veteran -> trans pipeline has been severed, legal recognition of transgender identities has been revoked and the official US government stance is now that the entire concept of gender identity is "inchoate". Federal funds cannot be used to promote anything relating to transgenderism.

Ollie would probably argue that in some ways the US has it better for trans people - a lot of the US has got more access to affirming healthcare through things like Medicaid, and barring vanishingly few exceptions trans women were already housed in men's prisons here. But his American audience aren't going to care about that - they'll be exclusively focused on Trump, and the ensuing years of legal battle to try and overturn his EO. They're not going to have the same capacity to care about the UK and they're not going to look to some English posho to talk to them about it, they'll be looking inwards at people like Tony Reed. Unironically this could destabilise his income stream.
I had similar thoughts too. I've always thought it's absolutely ridiculous that the UK has somehow gained a reputation as a bastion of transphobia (because it has a high proportion of famous people who have denounced trans activism and the NHS being unable to meet their insane demands?) when in reality, besides Canada, it's probably the best place on Earth to live if you ID as trans and it's not even close. The UK in general is very secular and relatively socially liberal. Toob absolutely loves playing the martyr and LARPing as a revolutionary, and the recent Drumpf EO might put a wrench in the works of his embarrassing LARP. Nobody can seriously claim with a straight face now that the UK is transphobia central. I honestly wouldn't put it past him to still move to the US as he's been hinting at for a while.
 
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If it makes him feel any better, he wasn't a big enough part of The Acolyte to affect the overall quality. (But replacing him with a better actor for all three of his lines would have made it ever-so-slightly better.)
Even the anti-trans stuff just seems far too heavy handed and crude, and probably counter productive since its seating the issue as something that the hard right will turn into a bludgeon and accordingly I think this will dissuade Liberals and Leftists from easing off on some of the more ridiculous elements on their end.
I've said similar things before. I've never been part of the 'TTD' crowd, and I don't really care about adults changing their names and their clothes. Stuff like the Congressional bathroom bill might make some Kiwifarmers clap with glee, but it's exactly the kind of thing that does actually turn public opinion in favor of trans people.

While the public's current shrug suggests that they've had enough of trans stuff for a while, there's no guarantee that it won't return when trans stuff has been pushed out of schools and sports and hiring preferences and everyone forgets why they got so fed up with trans stuff in the first place. I think that moving forward, the tactics of the gendercritical folks should be to take reasonable steps that highlight how trans activists are making unreasonable demands.
 
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Olly has teased a couple of shots from the filming of his Nietzsche/Trump episodes. There are more on Patreon.
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If it makes him feel any better, he wasn't a big enough part of The Acolyte to affect the overall quality. (But replacing him with a better actor for all three of his lines would have made it ever-so-slightly better.)
The Acolyte wasn't bad or any worse because of Olly, it was bad because it was the kind of show to hire someone like him to play a lesbian woman.
most of the stuff from Trump disgusts me. Even the anti-trans stuff just seems far too heavy handed and crude, and probably counter productive since its seating the issue as something that the hard right will turn into a bludgeon and accordingly I think this will dissuade Liberals and Leftists from easing off on some of the more ridiculous elements on their end.
Stuff like the Congressional bathroom bill might make some Kiwifarmers clap with glee, but it's exactly the kind of thing that does actually turn public opinion in favor of trans people.

While the public's current shrug suggests that they've had enough of trans stuff for a while, there's no guarantee that it won't return when trans stuff has been pushed out of schools and sports and hiring preferences and everyone forgets why they got so fed up with trans stuff in the first place. I think that moving forward, the tactics of the gendercritical folks should be to take reasonable steps that highlight how trans activists are making unreasonable demands.
The TRAs pushed far too far too quickly, through diktat and without seeking consent from the public. As people became more aware of the most extreme effects of the ideology, things like children "transitioning" in school without their parents' knowledge, medical mutilation, rapists in women's prisons, sports, etc, the anger and disgust grew. A retvrn to the status quo ante is needed before any compromises can be sought.
 
You'd think he'd avoid the subject entirely

I mean, I'd have thought he would've wanted to avoid it entirely given all the revelations coming out about Mermaids and the Tavistock Clinic and Susie Green and her son, seemingly one on top of the other.

I notice that even Hbomberguy doesn't talk much nowadays about it, because maybe he'd have to grudgingly and embarrassingly admit that maybe Glinner was right, actually, and he, in fact, raised £340,000 for nonces to mutilate children. "Lol, but how do you beat Beaver Bother, tho?" I dunno, Harris. Maybe you ought to ask some of those poor girls at the Tavistock why they're so bothered about their beavers that they'd rather flay the skin from their arms and cut their tits off?

I dunno, maybe I'm being overly optimistic here, but I think that whole Donkey Kong 64 stream should be a source of deep shame for everybody involved in it.
 
I doubt many Kiwifarmers would agree, but I would consider myself more of a Leftish Gendercritical type and most of the stuff from Trump disgusts me. Even the anti-trans stuff just seems far too heavy handed and crude, and probably counter productive since its seating the issue as something that the hard right will turn into a bludgeon and accordingly I think this will dissuade Liberals and Leftists from easing off on some of the more ridiculous elements on their end.
I've said similar things before. I've never been part of the 'TTD' crowd, and I don't really care about adults changing their names and their clothes. Stuff like the Congressional bathroom bill might make some Kiwifarmers clap with glee, but it's exactly the kind of thing that does actually turn public opinion in favor of trans people.
I half agree. On the one hand, I don't like that it's being framed as a left/right issue because it really isn't. It's an ideology that threatens civilization as a whole IMO, and any reasonable person should be against it regardless of individual political positions. In fact it's really beyond politics, it's a philosophical question - it challenges our basic conception of such fundamental truths as the difference between men and women, and the ethical norms that mean we treat them differently. So the fact that Trump/his administration is so gung-ho about it is potentially troubling as it could cause some leftist/liberal types to dig in their heels and stay longer in gender fantasy land than they otherwise would have done. I would like to see a broader opposition to this bullshit across the political spectrum.

But no I don't think it's too heavy-handed at all. It's being framed that way, but that's only because we dived so deep into this lunacy in the first place. Pointing out that only two sexes exist, which are immutable, is reasonable and correct. Not allowing men into women's toilets is reasonable and correct. Not allowing men to compete in women's sports is reasonable and correct. None of this is extremist in any way, it's just being responsible. It's a shame that we've got to the stage where we have to put our foot down on these things, but that's where we stand. It's not Nancy Mace who is at fault for forcing troons to use male bathrooms in the Capitol - it's the troons' fault for trying to get in. I think you're being overly pessimistic about the public's reaction to this as well, because of course a group of them immediately decided, in typically tactless and self-defeating fashion, to invade the women's facilities and prove that they don't belong there:

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They're the ones that look bad here, and the majority of Americans can see that. Sure, the insane hardliners will become that little bit more insane and hard-line, but they're not the people who will ultimately win or lose this fight. It's ordinary members of the public who are just fed up of this shit who will decide the future of the trans movement.

Rate me 🌈 if you like, but I firmly believe that the tide has already turned on this. I know it's anecdotal, but I know quite a lot of people who were firmly pro-trans a few years ago who have now either softened their position substantially or have completely peaked. In the US, I think we'll have a better idea of what the future holds in 2028 - will the Democrats choose a candidate who panders to troonery, and will he or she win? I think the answer to that question is going to have big implications. If a pro-trans Democrat loses or a moderate Democrat wins then I think that'll be the nail in the coffin of the movement as a political force, at least until the younger generations come of age. If one of the other two scenarios happens then we'll have to wait and see.

In the UK I think it's already done for. The Conservatives and Reform both seem committedly against trans dogma, and even Labour is lukewarm at best, and those are the only parties with any hope of winning an election as far as I can see. It's a vote-loser and in the end that's what matters.

I dunno, maybe I'm being overly optimistic here, but I think that whole Donkey Kong 64 stream should be a source of deep shame for everybody involved in it.
I think you're being overly optimistic I'm afraid. I agree it should be a source of shame, but I think the chances that Hbomberguy has actually done any serious reflection on the subject are exceedingly slim. If you were to ask him, I'm sure you'd get the usual brain-dead spiel that any and all criticism of Mermaids is just bigotry and 'transphobic talking points', etc.
 
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He was so desperate to see people cosplaying as his characters that he reposted this offer:
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No word on whether anyone did, which probably means no one did.

Creepy grooming of a teenage girl (actually very sad):
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Worried American fan asks for advice, gets the entire St. Crispin's Day speech in response:
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Possible troll:
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Incomprehensible. Imagine expending time and effort worrying about this bullshit:
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What characters does he have in mind exactly? Every character he's played apart from the HotD and Star Wars ones have just been people wearing modern clothes, and in Star Wars he was just wearing a nondescript beige robe. I guess I could see his HotD character being cosplay-worthy because the costume was quite cool but good luck finding a cosplayer talented enough to make that costume who also happens to be a gigantic fan of this really lame widely-disliked character with a couple minutes of screentime.
 
What characters does he have in mind exactly?
Judging from people's responses to his post, he means characters from his PT videos, such as "The Arsonist" or the nun in fetish gear, or Belle from Dracula's Ex. While he'd love to see someone dressed up as Sharako or Eurus, he'd get a special thrill from someone making an effort to dress as one of his own inventions. I wonder if any of the guys at the con costumed like "Sad Olly" from the self-interview will be in with a shot at the prize.

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He was so desperate to see people cosplaying as his characters that he reposted this offer:
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No word on whether anyone did, which probably means no one did.

Creepy grooming of a teenage girl (actually very sad):
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Worried American fan asks for advice, gets the entire St. Crispin's Day speech in response:
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Possible troll:
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Incomprehensible. Imagine expending time and effort worrying about this bullshit:
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The "wet look" really doesn't suit him, his hair just looks crunchy.
The red pussybow shirt is inoffensive but absolutely ruined by the paisley brocade jacket that clashes horribly. Or rather paisley "brocade" jacket, it's very clearly shitty cheap polyester printed with a fake brocade texture.
What characters does he have in mind exactly? Every character he's played apart from the HotD and Star Wars ones have just been people wearing modern clothes, and in Star Wars he was just wearing a nondescript beige robe. I guess I could see his HotD character being cosplay-worthy because the costume was quite cool but good luck finding a cosplayer talented enough to make that costume who also happens to be a gigantic fan of this really lame widely-disliked character with a couple minutes of screentime.
Hilariously it didn't even occur to me that Ollie was talking about one of his TV show characters, I was genuinely assuming he meant he wanted to see someone cosplaying "TERF Journalist strawman" or "misogynistic Boss Babe caricature".
I'd Get behind him and oli london being landmine girls with their combined sums of taxpayer plastic surgery.
Oli London had a bit of an adventure because after attempting to transition to Korean, he then attempted to transition to Korean woman, but then mysteriously "found Jesus" and detransitioned
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He's written a book about it and goes on things like Fox News to speak out about the dangers of transition. I think it's just his new grift, but he's at least useful in going "look at how mental I clearly was and people still had to play along" and he can say things other people can't because he actually did transition. I've always sort of wondered if he was a troll with the transracial stuff, but you'd have to be deeply mentally disturbed to permanently fuck up your face as part of an elaborate trolling effort.
Anyway, I'd massively support Ollie and Oli have a sit down chat because Oli would inevitably grill Choob about how he knows he's trans.
 
Hilariously it didn't even occur to me that Ollie was talking about one of his TV show characters, I was genuinely assuming he meant he wanted to see someone cosplaying "TERF Journalist strawman" or "misogynistic Boss Babe caricature".
I'm 100% convinced he meant only the characters in his YouTube and Nebula videos. Cosplaying as a character he played in a TV show won't satisfy his narcissism nearly enough. He wants to see people dressing up as his characters that he created because he's so amazingly talented. Preferably troons/women who he can flirt with too.
 
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He was so desperate to see people cosplaying as his characters that he reposted this offer:
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No word on whether anyone did, which probably means no one did.
Nietzsche, the Donald, Jordan Kermit Peterson and the H man? Truly riveting and original content, surely nobody has ever made the connection between Trump and Hitler before.

If his new two part video is anything like his last video about a philosopher (the Judith Butler video), his list of sources is going to consist of 70% Youtube videos by fellow left-lib/tranny Youtubers, 25-30% academic word diarrhea, and 0-5% sources that might have had something worthwhile to say but that have been completely misinterpreted by Choob.
 
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Hbomberguy did his charity stream for Mermaids in January 2019, so this is a post about Contra. You'd think he'd avoid the subject entirely after Contra's subtweet of him blew up last spring, but apparently not.
Probably reading to much into it but this is slightly bitchy / some strange shade to throw at hbomberguy. Bearing in mind the small pond he's a medium size fish in and that this an anonymous ask they've chosen to answer its weird theres not even lip service paid to "it was a great/big event i was pleased to take part in" or even "oh that takes me back" . They dont answer the askee's straightfoward question either . Rather he takes the opportunity to remind everyone he was in a relationship in 2019, which fair enough i guess, but that is 6 years ago. Reads like the response of a guy who still expects his exes to come crawling back and is also confident they cyber stalk him . Also , just cos he doesn't come up very much in this thread, i fucking hate hbomberguy.
 
Probably reading to much into it but this is slightly bitchy / some strange shade to throw at hbomberguy. Bearing in mind the small pond he's a medium size fish in and that this an anonymous ask they've chosen to answer its weird theres not even lip service paid to "it was a great/big event i was pleased to take part in" or even "oh that takes me back" . They dont answer the askee's straightfoward question either . Rather he takes the opportunity to remind everyone he was in a relationship in 2019, which fair enough i guess, but that is 6 years ago. Reads like the response of a guy who still expects his exes to come crawling back and is also confident they cyber stalk him . Also , just cos he doesn't come up very much in this thread, i fucking hate hbomberguy.
Hbomberguy's not released a video since his plagiarism one that got James Somerton to DFE and suicide bait - I kind of wonder if that's not damaged his standing and made him a bit controversial. Also Mermaids was obviously found to have serious mismangement issues and accidentally revealed the personal details of a bunch of children, so possibly as Ollie's trying to make it as a "serious actress", he might be genuinely trying to distance himself a bit.
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It seems odd that Choob is not invited to this, since he claims to be chummy with quite a few people on this list. Perhaps he falls under 'and more' but surely he'd demand top billing?
Everyone on the list is either American or Canadian, raising money for an American organisation. It's quite possible they're mostly looking for North Americans to share their perspectives on Trump's EO and don't really want to hear what some random Brit has to say about it (or one who'll go off on a tangent about the NHS or whatever) - especially one notorious for constantly putting his foot in his mouth by making sweeping statements with no regard for optics. The stream's 6pm - 6am our time so he easily could have done it.

I did check out the page to see if there was more info but instead saw this delightful series of chat messages:
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