The NFL Thread

[Desktop User2]

It's still amazing to me that people forget about Brady and the Patriots. The NFL literally invented a rule for the guy, because he got hurt for a year and the Pats sucked. Also, the Patriots literally cheated, by stealing signs from teams and deflating balls (the Colts were doing it, too, in the same game).

Yet here we are. People literally believe the NFL (which really just does whatever the 32 owners want, barring mass public outcry) decided to fuck over 31 teams in favor of a small-market franchise with no historical success. And Jerry Jones, Shad Khan, Robert Kraft, etc., are all just cool with it, despite such an outcome taking money OUT of their pockets. OK, sure. Keep believing that.

The defensive PIs and holding calls were way more infuriating... that spawned a trend to underthrow and get a foul that still survives to this day.

 

[BeffJezos]

The defensive PIs and holding calls were way more infuriating... that spawned a trend to underthrow and get a foul that still survives to this day.

It doesn't help that the NFL wants games to end 45-42, so defense gets nerfed every fucking off-season. Similar to the NBA - remember when a team scoring 100 points was a lot? Now, 130 is common.

 

[SilkGnut]

There was one contentious call not even close to the final score and that wouldn´t change the fact the Chiefs were better or anything that I said on the post you responded to, regardless of what you think of that call.

You feel there was only one call that could have been contested the entire game?

That is an interesting perspective.

 

[Desktop User2]

It doesn't help that the NFL wants games to end 45-42, so defense gets nerfed every fucking off-season. Similar to the NBA - remember when a team scoring 100 points was a lot? Now, 130 is common.

I think it got quite better in the latest seasons... maybe less ball shuckers, more running game and mobile QBs. better Safety play (or more people committed against the long ball) kinda found a balance so there were dramatically less PIs, not necessarily better refs.

You feel there was only one call that could have been contested the entire game?

That is an interesting perspective.

Yes, only the 4th down at KC 41. Do you think the reception was a contentious call? And again, it doesn´t change anything from the post you first responded to.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Could have been worse I guess. Could have lost by 1 if they kicked those extra points.

This is something that's been pissing me off lately. I heard several teams' coaching staffs upstairs have started using AI to make these decisions and it's absolute fucking disaster. I don't know who fucking is responsible for this but coming the off season, either it needs to be improved or they need to be fired. The AI has no concept of the clock and the possibility they can miss the 2 point conversion is completely lost on them for some reason. All they do is tunnel vision on on the 4 & 5 point differences. It's been absolutely infuriating. You don't chase points when you have an entire fucking half of football left to play.

 

[Meat Target]

There was one contentious call not even close to the final score and that wouldn´t change the fact the Chiefs were better or anything that I said on the post you responded to, regardless of what you think of that call.

Allen was on his back foot for a good chunk of the game, and the Bills had butterfingers.

 

[Desktop User2]

This is something that's been pissing me off lately. I heard several teams' coaching staffs upstairs have started using AI to make these decisions and it's absolute fucking disaster. I don't know who fucking is responsible for this but coming the off season, either it needs to be improved or they need to be fired. The AI has no concept of the clock and the possibility they can miss the 2 point conversion is completely lost on them for some reason. All they do is tunnel vision on on the 4 & 5 point differences. It's been absolutely infuriating. You don't chase points when you have an entire fucking half of football left to play.

They were only in the game because of the aggressiveness, the same mentality that pushed them for the 2pt conversions was part of going for all those 4th downs... and if there is an AI aid to play callers, it obviously factor in clock and game scenarios.
The first one was from the 1yd line and was an obvious "go" btw, they initially went for the extra point and got the foul.

Allen was on his back foot for a good chunk of the game, and the Bills had butterfingers.

I think the only drop for them was Kincaid´s, no?

 

[YautjaWeeb]

You feel there was only one call that could have been contested the entire game?

That is an interesting perspective.

This POV gets repeated so much it's probably going to be Taylor Swift's next hit song.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

I get the Swifties are annoying and all (especially when you live in Chiefs Kingdom and now have to deal with such bandwagoners), but is KC really that obnoxious that y'all now will pull for Philly? The city with America's most churlish sports fans who throw batteries at their own players and booed Santa Claus?

To be fair, without serious Refball and Goddellball shenanigans, the Chiefs should rightfully lose against Philly in an absolute slaughter. The Eagles are better now than they've ever been in my opinion. Barkley put them into an entirely different category of offensive threats. Plus the Chiefs are on the downswing having gone to the playoffs and Super Bowl for multiple seasons in a row and losing players. This Chiefs team is not as good as the last one that faced the Eagles. I think without Rogerball taking effect, they'd lose and handily.

The NFL better watch their backs too because people are catching on to their blatant cheating and getting really pissed off. Every single game this post season involving the Chiefs has been decided by Refball. People are asking questions and demanding changes. They're getting very lazy about hiding their cheating. I know it's not talked about, but remember how rigged last years Super Bowl was? There was no game clock last year lol. The Chiefs had infinite time to win. OT was just "Well, you just play another entire game of football until the Chiefs win".

 

[CHARizard]

Disappointed with the results but Redskins are in a good spot. Didn’t end up watching the Bills Chiefs game and I can’t really bring myself to care about the SB.

Hopefully in the next few years we can rebuild enough to make it to the SB. Dream game would be Ravens vs Redskins.

Congrats to the Eagles fans, your team was better this year even with the shitty ref calls.

 

[BeffJezos]

This is something that's been pissing me off lately. I heard several teams' coaching staffs upstairs have started using AI to make these decisions and it's absolute fucking disaster. I don't know who fucking is responsible for this but coming the off season, either it needs to be improved or they need to be fired. The AI has no concept of the clock and the possibility they can miss the 2 point conversion is completely lost on them for some reason. All they do is tunnel vision on on the 4 & 5 point differences. It's been absolutely infuriating. You don't chase points when you have an entire fucking half of football left to play.

The problem with analytics is that they only factor in the down, distance, score, and time remaining. Analytics CANNOT account for weather conditions, certain players and their performance to that point in the game, momentum, etc. There are so many things you just can't quantify down to a formula. Coaches, at all levels, should use analytics to inform their decisions, but only that. It shouldn't be THE decider

That being said, a team down 14 in the 4th quarter should ABSOLUTELY go for 2 every single time upon making it a 1-possession game.

 

[Señora Airi]

It's still amazing to me that people forget about Brady and the Patriots. The NFL literally invented a rule for the guy, because he got hurt for a year and the Pats sucked. Also, the Patriots literally cheated, by stealing signs from teams and deflating balls (the Colts were doing it, too, in the same game).

Yet here we are. People literally believe the NFL (which really just does whatever the 32 owners want, barring mass public outcry) decided to fuck over 31 teams in favor of a small-market franchise with no historical success. And Jerry Jones, Shad Khan, Robert Kraft, etc., are all just cool with it, despite such an outcome taking money OUT of their pockets. OK, sure. Keep believing that.

The "small market" excuse makes no sense makes no sense when you were just ranting about New England getting away with stuff, and that's not even mentioning the smallest market (Green Bay) routinely getting calls when Rogers was there.

The NFL desperately wanted a black quarterback to excel for marketability, so a mulatto is fine in their eyes. Stafford is doing the same stuff Mahomo does, he's still not as marketed despite being right in LA.

 

[Jew-ish]

Which identity? Schottenheimer defenses? That goes out the window when you hire a playmaker in every facet of the game like Reid.
If you are talking about the Taylor Swift phenomena that spans a whole 2 years and it is mainly for TV, you are talking couch "Chiefs Culture" which is completely irrelevant to the team.

Im talking about Kansas City culture, I'm not going to get into it because it's more or less irrelevant in this thread.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

That being said, a team down 14 in the 4th quarter should ABSOLUTELY go for 2 every single time upon making it a 1-possession game.

Agreed, but what you've had happening a lot this season is teams going for 2 point conversions, in the first half for no other reason than chasing points. Then they miss, and wind up losing games because those 1 points turned out to really matter. I've seen it happen against teams all across the league where teams are going for more 2 point conversions and it's absolutely fucking them over in the 4th quarter and they make games closer than they have any right to be. The point is, the AI can't account for variables over the long term course of the game, so it'll always recommend the 2 points regardless of whether or not it's the right decision solely to make it a 3 point game. But whether you're in a 3 point game or not, in the first, second, or arguably halfway through third is completely irrelevant. You're either competitive or you're not. Chasing points will not fix that outside of the 4th quarter. You see a lot more teams now trying for 2 points and the coaches just trusting the analytics more than they should be.

 

[Trombonista]

I'm trying to look at the bright side. The Bills made it back to the AFC Championship in what was thought to be a reload year. Also, now there's no chance of them losing the Super Bowl to every NFC East team.

 

[Desktop User2]

Stafford is doing the same stuff Mahomo does, he's still not as marketed despite being right in LA.

What????!!! There is absolutely 0 similarities in their game and when the Rams bought that championship selling their future, the media was completely in love with that team and Sean...

 

[BeffJezos]

The NFL desperately wanted a black quarterback to excel for marketability, so a mulatto is fine in their eyes. Stafford is doing the same stuff Mahomo does, he's still not as marketed despite being right in LA.

There's this guy, called Lamar Jackson. He's black and plays QB. He won the league MVP last year and probably will this year, too. Find a new slant.

E: Matthew Stafford is 36 (old) and absolutely DOES NOT play a similar game to Mahomes. He has a big arm, but was never as mobile and cannot release the ball at all the crazy angles Mahomes does. They're not the same.

 

[Desktop User2]

There's this guy, called Lamar Jackson. He's black and plays QB. Find a new slant.

If he was talking about Lamar, I would wholeheartedly agree about an astroturfed nigger, but the Stafford comp was so bizarre... he could´ve compared Allen to Mahomes, tho Allen is a best runner, but to the Statue????

 

[BeffJezos]

If he was talking about Lamar, I would wholeheartedly agree about an astroturfed nigger, but the Stafford comp was so bizarre... he could´ve compared Allen to Mahomes, tho Allen is a best runner, but to the Statue????

Simple, @Señora Airi doesn't know ball.

 

[Desktop User2]

E: Matthew Stafford is 36 (old) and absolutely DOES NOT play a similar game to Mahomes. He has a big arm, but was never as mobile and cannot release the ball at all the crazy angles Mahomes does. They're not the same.

And yet he is still the best QB in the NFC... sad state of affairs on that conference.