2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

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It hasn't even been a particularly successful economic zone since ~2011. More like a human rights NGO.

Economic zone to loot and rape.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

Economic zone to loot and rape.

yet the Canadians won't mail me shit because the Canada post is ON STRIKE. THE OFFICIAL POSTAL SYSTEM IS ON STRIKE. What kinda 3rd world nonsense is that? Imagine if that happened here in the usa?



Good luck with the Arabs, Canada. Don't be shocked when all the Jews leave for America/Israel and take their wealth with them. And those Pajeets aren't like the Pajeets in the states, your's are fucking broke..



Also to keep the thread on topic. Iran is threatening to bomb Israel (again) if they don't leave Lebanon.

 

[Chaos Theorist]

 

[GeorgeAK]

Lebanese army chief ‘leaked military secrets to Hezbollah’​

Suhil Bahij Gharb allegedly gave the Iran-backed group sensitive information from inside a security control room run by the US, France and the UN
https://www.thetimes.com/world/midd...eaked-military-secrets-to-hezbollah-fpp9jmq76 (https://archive.is/dYyml)

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A Lebanese army chief leaked secrets to Hezbollah during a ceasefire agreement with Israel, jeopardising the truce that halted a year of open warfare, according to intelligence sources.
Suhil Bahij Gharb, the head of military intelligence for southern Lebanon, handed the Iran-backed group sensitive information from inside a security control room run by the US, France and the UN interim force in Lebanon, who had been given the task of peacekeeping in the area, a source reported.
The alleged breach comes at a crucial time for the tentative ceasefire, as Israeli soldiers defied a deadline to withdraw from Lebanese territory. According to health officials, Israeli army fire killed 22 people in south Lebanon on Sunday, including a soldier, as residents tried to return home on the day Israel was meant to withdraw under a truce deal.

Israel’s military campaign against Hezbollah in Lebanon came in response to the militants’ rocket attacks in support of Hamas in Gaza, but escalated with exploding pagers, airstrikes and a ground invasion before a ceasefire was brokered by the US and France in November.
Under the terms of the deal, Hezbollah was banned from military operations south of the Litani River, 25 miles from the border with Israel, and the Lebanese army, alongside UN peacekeepers, were given the task of taking over the group’s heartlands and bases, recovering any weapons they found.
In return Israeli troops were due to withdraw from southern Lebanon by Sunday morning. However, the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) said they would remain until the ceasefire was “fully enforced by Lebanon”, warning that they would implement the truce “with an iron fist”.
According to an international intelligence report seen by The Times, Gharb is one of dozens of officers in the Lebanese army who have leaked information to Hezbollah, giving them advance warning of raids or patrols, allowing them to remove weapons and evade detection.

The intelligence document states: “Hezbollah use internal, sensitive information regarding the Lebanese army to hide its actions from the international entities in charge of regional security.” It adds that the leaks raise concern over the ability of the Lebanese army to take over effectively the mountainous south of the country, where Hezbollah has for years been the dominant political and military force.
Israeli security sources said that while the Lebanese army was “doing its part” and had confiscated some arms stockpiles in areas from which the IDF has withdrawn, leaks by Gharb and other officers had enabled Hezbollah fighters and their weapons to remain close to the Israeli border.
The Lebanese Armed Forces and Unifil, the UN peacekeeping force, did not comment.
Gharb, a Shia Muslim who lives in the south, is alleged to have been present in the international situation room on the insistence of the senior Hezbollah commander Wafiq Safa, who heads the group’s so-called co-ordination and liaison committee. Safa survived an Israeli assassination attempt in Beirut last October, when Israel stepped up its attacks and killed the group’s veteran leader Hassan Nasrallah and much of his top brass, as well as obliterating thousands of fighters and much of its weapons cache.

The cross-border violence since October 7, 2023, has killed more than 3,000 people in Lebanon and 72 in Israel, and has caused tens of thousands of residents on both sides of the border to flee their homes.
Hilal Khashan, a professor of political science at the American University of Beirut, said that “more than one member of the Lebanese army is leaking information to Hezbollah”, explaining that while it was not impossible to remove the armed group south of the Litani entirely, “it will take time, mainly because Hezbollah is still in denial. It has not yet absorbed the shock of its devastating military loss.
“The fact that the top echelon of the military maintains close ties with the US does not prevent co-operation between army officers, even on an individual basis, with Hezbollah,” Khashan added.
“Hezbollah’s survival hinges not on maintaining a military presence in the south but preserving the gains accrued to it in the Lebanese political system during the past three decades. Hezbollah’s operatives in the south Litani are local Shia residents, and I do not think Israel can force relocating them to north [of the] Litani.”
Some experts fear the extent of the alleged collaboration between Hezbollah and the Lebanese army will not be stamped out without a root-and-branch purge of senior officers.
Hezbollah has accused Israel of seeking to postpone its withdrawal beyond the 60-day term of the ceasefire. The White House said on Friday that a short, temporary ceasefire extension was urgently needed.
The top UN official in Lebanon and the head of the UN peacekeepers in the south said conditions were not yet in place for the safe return of Lebanese citizens to villages near the border. “The fact is that the timelines envisaged” in the ceasefire “have not been met”, they said in a statement.

 

[Scrumption]

It’s pretty telling how during the Syrian war, every European country was expected to haul in refugees by the thousands. But Palestinians aren’t allowed to move to the neighboring Arab countries some 5km away because the Arab states refuse to accept them.

 

[QE65]

The news footage of these hostage swaps is starting to make me MATI. You'll get western presenters talking as if this is a normal circumstance and not clearly morally asymmetrical. Prisoners guilty of murder or attempted murder being traded for women and (hopefully) the remaining children still being held in Gaza. Paraded out in front of massive banners like a cattle sale.

Four Israelis for 200 Palestinians, many of whom are guilty of planning, executing, and assisting attempted murders, bombings or other acts of terror. How will this help the situation, other than encourage Hamas to take as many hostages as possible in the next inevitable war?

Maybe I'm just naive, but if every 5-10 years I lost my home, half to three quarters of my living relatives and was at risk of being shot in the back for accepting a water bottle from an IDF soldier: I'd think about moving. Some soil and relics of an ancient religion isn't worth this much bloodshed.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

The news footage of these hostage swaps is starting to make me MATI. You'll get western presenters talking as if this is a normal circumstance and not clearly morally asymmetrical. Prisoners guilty of murder or attempted murder being traded for women and (hopefully) the remaining children still being held in Gaza. Paraded out in front of massive banners like a cattle sale.

Four Israelis for 200 Palestinians, many of whom are guilty of planning, executing, and assisting attempted murders, bombings or other acts of terror. How will this help the situation, other than encourage Hamas to take as many hostages as possible in the next inevitable war?

Maybe I'm just naive, but if every 5-10 years I lost my home, half to three quarters of my living relatives and was at risk of being shot in the back for accepting a water bottle from an IDF soldier: I'd think about moving. Some soil and relics of an ancient religion isn't worth this much bloodshed.

you would think, but I think the bigger problem is that the Palestinians don't help themselves. so most of the rockets and tunnel material Hamas used, the IDF clarified that it was all dual use. so instead of using the cement to build homes or foundations they built tunnels and military bunkers. instead of using piping for water and agricultural infrastructure, they build rockets. instead of using fertilizer and sugar for cooking and growing crops, they built warheads. and the larger Palestinian community did nothing to stop these people. they actively supported them.

when pro Palestinian morons talk about how Jews are leaving Israel, they're not leaving because of the war or because of the violence, they're leaving because the taxes are very high or they don't agree with the domestic political situation (unrelated to the whole Palestine thing). the people who leave are still violently Zionistic, it's just hard for them to find work, or cheap housing or they just want a lower price of living. if these issues were addressed they would move right back to Israel. and many have after October 7th.


The Palestinians once they leave they never return. the Israelis will leave but then they'll come back all the time.

 

[net and yahoo]

Four Israelis for 200 Palestinians, many of whom are guilty of planning, executing, and assisting attempted murders, bombings or other acts of terror.

I've been seeing a lot of takes like this recently. For this argument to work, you’d have to completely overlook the reality of the Israeli justice system. About a quarter of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails aren’t even facing charges or a trial—they’re just kept there indefinitely. On top of that, Israel is the only country with a military court system for juveniles, and there are reports about what they do to kids in that system.

 

[unleashthefreak]

About a quarter of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails aren’t even facing charges or a trial—they’re just kept there indefinitely.

With a name like yours, you should know that the people you call "[not] facing charges or a trial" are held under 'administrative detention' (this is mentioned in the article you posted, two paragraphs below where your image cuts off). Primarily, this is 'preventive', but it is also used if the agency Spooks do not want to share their secrets.
This is bad, compared e.g. USA habeas corpus, but it is not a far-reaching deviation from other peers (USA, UK, EU) general administrative detention policies. Further, Israel's policy is not even remarkable in the specific context of foreign terrorist suspects.
The claim that the lack of public proceedings is bad here does not lead to the conclusion that the prisoners are being illegally charged, or detained (imprisoned) indefinitely.

there are reports about what they do to kids in that system

I encourage you to look for a source of these claims (or similar) that are not "The Palestinian Authority for the Prevention of Israeli Child Sacrifices," or similarly credible.
The claim that this does not happen at any non-abnormal level in 2024 is doubtful— claiming that it is systematic or widespread is completely baseless.

 

[net and yahoo]

There's that low-tier hasbara lmao. Like clockwork with you rats. So much pilpul just to admit Israel is imprisoning Palestinians without trial lmao.

but it is not a far-reaching deviation from other peers (USA, UK, EU) general administrative detention policies

The use of Administrative detention itself is a contentious topic, however, as you mention, most states that do employ it uphold habeas corpus in their constitutions - which isn't exclusive from administrative detention itself.

Even Bush's controversial Patriot Act provided habeas corpus protections for suspects detained beyond 7 days. Conversely, in Israel, a Palestinian can be imprisoned administratively detained for up to 6 months - which can then be extended with the same military court that the order is issued under. Besides Israel's lack of habeas corpus, what distinguishes it's use of it is it's proneness to (and documented) weaponization, which isn't a suprise considering Israel's track record towards Palestinians.

Israel has been on record using administrative detention as quick and easy alternative in lieu of actual criminal trials.

According to figures provided by the IDF Spokesperson, from the beginning of 2015 to the end of July 2017, 3,909 administrative detention orders were issued. Of these, 2,441 (62.4%) were extensions of existing orders. Only 48 (1.2%) were cancelled by a military court. The remaining detention orders were approved, as follows:

• 2,953 (75.5%) were approved with no amendments or limitations.
• In 390 cases (9.9%), the judges instructed that the orders be shortened, yet placed no limitation on the possibility of renewing them.
• In 501 (12.8%) cases, the judges approved the orders, in some cases shortening them, but stipulated that they could only be extended if new information came to light – which, again, would not be disclosed to the detainee.

Administrative Detention: B'tselem

I encourage you to look for a source of these claims (or similar) that are not "The Palestinian Authority for the Prevention of Israeli Child Sacrifices," or similarly credible.

Literally every credible human rights org corroborates this and all you retards can do is screech 'antisemite' in response.
Here's just two:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...an-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/
https://www.unicef.org/sop/documents/children-israeli-military-detention

If 109 human rights orgs say that you're abusing kids in jails, it might aswell be fucking true, Shlomo.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Who's betting next census it will turn out the population of Gaza actually increased between the start and the end of the war?

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

Who's betting next census it will turn out the population of Gaza actually increased between the start and the end of the war?

I think it has.

 

[Surfin Terf]

I think it has.

It was logical that it would, 2% population growth every year in a population of 2.5 million translates to 50,000. Minus 40,000 (and this is assuming that these deaths are all war related which I'm skeptical of) and you get a net growth of 10,000. Even if no women got pregnant over the course of the war, there would already have been an expected 37,000 Gaza pregnancies at the start.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I think it has.

Worst genocide ever

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

Worst genocide ever

I thought Jews were good with numbers

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I thought Jews were good with numbers

We don't like minuses

 

[unleashthefreak]

Perhaps not the thread for this, but it is slow— if this clogs it up too much, I apologize to the readers.

There's that low-tier hasbara lmao.

I'm actually a very high-level Mossad agent (codename "MurderKiller"). I have over 300 confirmed viral bluesky skeets.

Conversely, in Israel, a Palestinian can be imprisoned administratively detained for up to 6 months - which can then be extended with the same military court that the order is issued under.

This is very normal, even ignoring gitmo & friends. I suggest this paper (feel free to skip on page 19, paragraph 2) for the fact that a core application of administrative detention for terrorism prevention is bypassing typical due processes.

Israel has been on record using administrative detention as quick and easy alternative in lieu of actual criminal trials.

As I said before, it does not follow from this claim that the charges are inaccurate or illegitimate. The lack of habeas corpus is easy to defend, but you are trying to puggyback (motte & bailey) the separate, unsubstantiated, and practically unfalsifiable claim that the prisoners are wrongfully charged. You have not provided any evidence of this claim.

Literally every credible human rights org corroborates this

"Literally every credible human rights org" and/or those you posted do not claim to have any evidence of systematic child torture *other than hearsay*. This is an extraordinary claim for which you have provided weak (and outdated) evidence.

 

[Scrumption]

Perhaps not the thread for this, but it is slow— if this clogs it up too much, I apologize to the readers.

I'm actually a very high-level Mossad agent (codename "MurderKiller"). I have over 300 confirmed viral bluesky skeets.

This is very normal, even ignoring gitmo & friends. I suggest this paper (feel free to skip on page 19, paragraph 2) for the fact that a core application of administrative detention for terrorism prevention is bypassing typical due processes.

As I said before, it does not follow from this claim that the charges are inaccurate or illegitimate. The lack of habeas corpus is easy to defend, but you are trying to puggyback (motte & bailey) the separate, unsubstantiated, and practically unfalsifiable claim that the prisoners are wrongfully charged. You have not provided any evidence of this claim.

"Literally every credible human rights org" and/or those you posted do not claim to have any evidence of systematic child torture *other than hearsay*. This is an extraordinary claim for which you have provided weak (and outdated) evidence.

Of the terrorists set for the first phase, 83.4% of them were tried and convicted. 10.3% were on trial, 6.5% were admin detention. Among them all, 38.7% had at least 1 life sentence, 44.7% had at least 8 years. Majority of crimes are murder, attempted murder, and conspiracy or assistance to murder. The rest concern weapons/explosives and shootings. Only 4% are below eighteen, being 16-17. It isn’t arbitrary detention as much as you may want to believe. They make no secret of their affiliation with Hamas, PIJ, and Fatah for a minority. Just look at photos of them at their release posing with the Hamas symbol, flags, and making their victory sign. Numbers are from Israeli Ministry of Justice. Hasbara means “explanation” in Hebrew.

 

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This needs to be the first exhibit in the Museum of FAFO.