Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

When will the Judge issue a ruling regarding the Motion to Dismiss?

  • This Month

    Votes: 67 14.5%
  • Next Month

    Votes: 56 12.1%
  • This Year

    Votes: 73 15.8%
  • Next Year

    Votes: 155 33.5%
  • Whenever he issues an update to the sanctions

    Votes: 112 24.2%

  • Total voters
    463
I know Greer can not dismiss his lawsuit but can he say "okay I lose" to end the whole thing and to stop fees from increasing?
he can still move to dismiss his own case i think he just cant unilaterally abandon it and he will still have to abide by any sanctions he gets slapped with before the case is dismissed
also him doing that would probably greatly increase nulls chances of getting awarded fees for the whole suit
 
So, today begins the 14-day stipulation countdown for Greer and Hardin to argue about the fee sanctions that were ordered. Obviously they will not agree upon any amount, but will we have more plightfilings in the meantime? And when will the district judge chime in on the objection (which was filed a week ago)?
I thought that countdown started after Hardin gave Greer his number, so we're probably already into that bit. Actually wouldn't surprise me if Hardin sent Greer a figure the day after the sanctions were ordered since Hardin isn't a retard that only ever files things two hours after the deadline.
 
Null told us to brace for funny yesterday, so I presume Hardin has continued his borderline robotic filing grind, gave Russ a bill day 1 and there's some shit about fees not being agreed to in the pipeline for today
i understood that as a jab at the judge having to deal with rusty's "motion for re-emailing of document cuz ahm a fucking dumb retard ya honna" but it sure would be nice, between this case and acerthorn we're in the beginning stages of a roll this week
 
I thought that countdown started after Hardin gave Greer his number, so we're probably already into that bit. Actually wouldn't surprise me if Hardin sent Greer a figure the day after the sanctions were ordered since Hardin isn't a retard that only ever files things two hours after the deadline.
I assume that Russ saw Hardins Bill a few hours before he penned his "emergency plea to undo the thing that's already done! And Hardin needs Sanctions Tooooo!" Filing to the Vice Principal... I mean District Judge.
 
I thought that countdown started after Hardin gave Greer his number, so we're probably already into that bit. Actually wouldn't surprise me if Hardin sent Greer a figure the day after the sanctions were ordered since Hardin isn't a retard that only ever files things two hours after the deadline.
Yes, today's the last day Hardin could have sent over his number. We won't know if he sent it earlier, until someone says it on the record or Null announces it in thread (which he has no reason to do).

I assume that Russ saw Hardins Bill a few hours before he penned his "emergency plea to undo the thing that's already done! And Hardin needs Sanctions Tooooo!" Filing to the Vice Principal... I mean District Judge.
I'm assuming he sent it after that filing. If Russ saw a number before, he likely would have sperged about it in the filing or cited a specific number for the sanctions he wants to hit Hardin with. He doesn't have the restraint to not plightsperg for 14 days.
 
I know Greer can not dismiss his lawsuit but can he say "okay I lose" to end the whole thing and to stop fees from increasing?
Mr. Hardin would have to give his approval, and he won't unless Null can squeeze Greer for everything he's got. Or so I assume, anyway.
 
One thing that I hope happens as a result of Russ' fixation on the "violation" of the protective order is that it reframes all Russ' claims of harassment in the judge's mind. Russ claimed that if his family's info wasn't redacted, then the trolls would ceaselessly harass them all in ways that would drive them to suicide. Instead what happened is that not a single person (other than Hardin) reached out to his family at all. The harassment that occurred was Russ received a single email whose worst feature was calling him a dummy. The judge has to be looking at that, thinking it is a huge nothing burger. And if Russ is treating that nothing burger as if it's the end of the world, what does that mean about all the other things Russ is treating as the end of the world? They would have to be nothing burgers as well.
 
One thing that I hope happens as a result of Russ' fixation on the "violation" of the protective order is that it reframes all Russ' claims of harassment in the judge's mind. Russ claimed that if his family's info wasn't redacted, then the trolls would ceaselessly harass them all in ways that would drive them to suicide. Instead what happened is that not a single person (other than Hardin) reached out to his family at all. The harassment that occurred was Russ received a single email whose worst feature was calling him a dummy. The judge has to be looking at that, thinking it is a huge nothing burger. And if Russ is treating that nothing burger as if it's the end of the world, what does that mean about all the other things Russ is treating as the end of the world? They would have to be nothing burgers as well.
Reminder, all the harassment claims in his complaint, or that he has referenced a specific date for, do not appear to have ever happened.
 
Reminder, all the harassment claims in his complaint, or that he has referenced a specific date for, do not appear to have ever happened.
Even though it explains something to the retard, I’m going to reiterate that so many of the terms used in court have legal definitions even if they are not precise. Calling something copyright infringement when it is (or may be) allowed by fair use is fine. But continually calling something harassment when it doesn’t even remotely fit the legal definition of harassment inclines one toward malicious recalcitrance.

Even Russ is smart enough to know what HE calls harassment (that he cares about) - idiots saying mean things on some server somewhere - doesn’t fall into the legal definition. But he keeps acting as if it does.
 
Even Russ is smart enough to know what HE calls harassment (that he cares about) - idiots saying mean things on some server somewhere - doesn’t fall into the legal definition. But he keeps acting as if it does.
I wouldn't give him that much credit. The vast majority of people are too retarded to know the difference between harassment and "harassment," as evidenced by the public perception of this website.
 
Calling something copyright infringement when it is (or may be) allowed by fair use is fine.
I mean, people are entitled to their opinion, but a fair use of the work IS NOT infringing.

"the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright." - 17 U.S. Code § 107
But continually calling something harassment when it doesn’t even remotely fit the legal definition of harassment inclines one toward malicious recalcitrance.
Calling something a harassment when you fully know other actors were responsible for it (FB and Reddit as he admitted in his 2017 police report), and when you know no subsequent "harassment" ever happened (he never followed up with police despite promising them to, and no further police reports were ever created) is indeed malicious. Fraudulent even.
 
Reproduction of copies, even without alteration thereof, for the purpose of criticism, scholarship, and research appears to be fair use, by that quote of the statute.

I mean, I think KF counts as a research institution with psychological scholars these days with the amount of weaponized autism on this site, so QED.
 
I mean, people are entitled to their opinion, but a fair use of the work IS NOT infringing.
Sure - I just mean that what exactly is fair use in a given situation is a disputed question that (can) rightly be brought to the courts. Fair use is a defense you can use, and you’re not defrauding the court by claiming what someone calls fair use actually isn’t.

You can be really fucking wrong on it and still be “within the bounds”.
 
Reproduction of copies, even without alteration thereof, for the purpose of criticism, scholarship, and research appears to be fair use, by that quote of the statute.

I mean, I think KF counts as a research institution with psychological scholars these days with the amount of weaponized autism on this site, so QED.
We are a crowdsourced journalistic entity.
 
Mr. Hardin would have to give his approval, and he won't unless Null can squeeze Greer for everything he's got. Or so I assume, anyway.
Not many people would insist a plaintiff continue to sue them, unless there were some pending legal issue to be resolved that one or more of the defendants wanted resolved. However, the defendant can refuse to stipulate to dismissal and insist that they will only agree to a dismissal with prejudice.

It also doesn't get you out of sanctions already imposed or sanctions for your vexatious conduct of the litigation to date.

Fun fact: (Now retired) Judge Tena Campbell, whose cogent and well-reasoned opinion dismissing this case in 2021 was vacated by a panel of imbeciles on the Tenth Circuit, also once denied an appeal from Ronnie Lee Gardner, the last person in Utah (and the United States) executed by firing squad.
You can be really fucking wrong on it and still be “within the bounds”.
There are outer limits, e.g., Lenz v. Universal Music Corp., 801 F.3d 1126 (9th Cir. 2015), in which Universal Music Corporation was assessed fees for reckless abuse of DMCA notifications and was obligated to take fair use into account before issuing such.
 
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