Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Jotch]

he will be compensated for just one retarded and costly procedure he was forced to perform in vain out of at least several dozen by this point

It's not over until it's over.

 

[Dizzyuntildeath]

Both settling, and refusing to do so is a legally acceptable use of process.

Then so should fraud on the court, witness tampering, refusing to litigate, not stating a claim, bringing forth a case in bad faith, refusing to participate in discovery, harassing and personally insulting opposing counsel.....

If my opponent has the right to do things I don't like then I should have the right to do whatever I want whenever the mood strikes me, it states so in (completely misinterpreted case law and precedent that doesn't even come close and actually defeats own argument goes here).

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

Pro se in forma pauperis shitheads are the bane of the whole system.

Pro Se and In Forma Pauperis were intended to help the poor stand up to the rich and powerful. They were meant for an honest, honorable people, not for turds like Acerthorn or Russell.

 

[Napoleon III]

Both settling, and refusing to do so is a legally acceptable use of process.

Yes in theory and in the way the law is written. But in practice maybe not. A judge has all kinds of ways to fuck you over for doing something they don't want you to do.

This is the essence of why you need lawyers. One of the fundamental domain of a lawyer is politics because the legal system is extremely adept at not fulfilling its obligations and ignoring its responsibilities, and you need to manipulate the system extensively to even slightly get it to work as it is supposed to.

 

[Irene and 22 others]

Pro Se and In Forma Pauperis were intended to help the poor stand up to the rich and powerful. They were meant for an honest, honorable people, not for turds like Acerthorn or Russell.

They could solve a lot of problems by rejecting in forma pauperis claims for plaintiffs in civil actions where the government is not in some way a party to the suit. If the paltry court fees stop someone from filing a lawsuit, that really tells you how much of a waste of everyone's time it must be. Small claims court still exist for common people with simple legal disputes and destitute people with legitimate cases have no problems finding an ambulance chaser who will work on contingency or even a lawyer who may take their case pro bono out of some personal interest.

 

[Kosher Dill]

A judge has all kinds of ways to fuck you over for doing something they don't want you to do.

My question for our local lawyers is: is it normal for the judge to clearly have a strong opinion on what should be happening, but no one knows what? Are normal cases big games of Magic 8-Ball, or is that just special for us?

 

[FamicomGorby]

Even if jurisdiction is up for grabs again because of the fake witnesses, I don't think it's in Null's best interests for the same reasons I was wary of it going to Florida in the first place: it resets the bullshit clock.

Jurisdiction isn't changing now that there's an actual schedule in place, if this case is dragging on to the end then it'll be going to a Utah court room.

Changing jurisdiction to Florida made sense at the time since the case didn't have a schedule yet, cause Greer was doing nothing, and Hardin is actually licensed there. No clock would have been reset when the case moved since nothing had fucking happened after the case got revived by the 10th circuit appeal.

 

[Dizzyuntildeath]

My question for our local lawyers is: is it normal for the judge to clearly have a strong opinion on what should be happening, but no one knows what? Are normal cases big games of Magic 8-Ball, or is that just special for us?

From my understanding this cluster fuck is a weird aberration in the system and is clearly altering the landscape as it plods along.
When was the last time you heard of a judge and plaintiff pushing for a trial when the moving party first lied about having witnesses and evidence, then 4 years into it and still on step 1 of the case says, actually you know what? I don't have any of those, trial please!

 

[ConSluttant]

I am waiting with the bated cat food breath of a baker's dozen of kittens to see what Hardin files regarding these fees. Or a Russ retard filing trying to sanction Hardin/Nool for *checks notes* not releasing his dad and brother's addresses but rather just their mere names even though they really weren't witnesses to anything and therefore couldn't really have been deposed for anything worthwhile because Russ doesn't understand how lawsuits work. It'll be glorious either way!

 

[waffle]

They could solve a lot of problems by rejecting in forma pauperis claims for plaintiffs in civil actions where the government is not in some way a party to the suit. If the paltry court fees stop someone from filing a lawsuit, that really tells you how much of a waste of everyone's time it must be. Small claims court still exist for common people with simple legal disputes and destitute people with legitimate cases have no problems finding an ambulance chaser who will work on contingency or even a lawyer who may take their case pro bono out of some personal interest.

The small claims limit probably needs to be raised as well. It is 5k in most states, but generally uneconomical to involve a lawyer in a dispute worth less than about 10 or 15k.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

The small claims limit probably needs to be raised as well. It is 5k in most states, but generally uneconomical to involve a lawyer in a dispute worth less than about 10 or 15k.

There are a number of things tied to statutory dollar amounts that really need to be tied to inflation, even if they only change once every X years. Small claims court is one (and I daresay it has changed at some point, because $5,000 in 1790 is way more than $5k today), but there are others. It's not like the numbers don't exist and get tracked somewhere, it would be relatively easy to say "small claims court is for claims that are less than the 401(k) contribution limit from the year of the last census" or something.

The one I'm always surprised by is that the gas taxes are fixed amounts, not a percentage.

The problem is that everyone who has the ability to make the change loves the status quo; lawyers certainly aren't going to fight to expand small claims court.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

The magistrate, Bennett, was on this case before Tena Campbell yanked her referral and dismissed the case. He has been involved in this case in some manner or capacity since Sep 29, 2020, before Tena Campbell withdrew the referral on Aug 10, 2021.

Somehow this guy ended up back on the case and has been back on it since.

If Judge Bennett resented Judge Campbell taking him off the case, then perhaps he actually likes Russell's saber rattling of "I HUMILATED that stupid bitch Tina Campbell so bad she had to recuse herself in shame!" Judge Bennett might also think she was wrong and is glad he's back on the case.

This also pokes a hole in the "Judge is scared of the 10th" theory as that was both a different Judge and he himself my be happy with the case getting sent back down to him.

I do think Russ name dropping the 10th every filing as a threat gets on his nerves though, and that he personally was sick of Russ by the time he denied Russell's 90 day stay, transferred the case to Florida against Russell's protests (after the fact) and was really pissed when Florida flung it back, which Russell has also been sure to keep rubbing in his face

 

[waffle]

The problem is that everyone who has the ability to make the change loves the status quo; lawyers certainly aren't going to fight to expand small claims court.

They probably would go for it. The whole reason to shove those things into small claims is that they're too small to take a cut on. There's currently a gray area you just get a lot of tire-kicker type calls on that rarely ever go anywhere

 

[Windex]

Greer’s continued insistence that he had no idea what the SPO entailed, that he was never provided with a copy of it, but he’s certain Mr. Hardin repeatedly violated it and should be sanctioned accordingly sent me back in the thread to when the SPO was applied to this case: 11/18/2024, the date of the Zoom hearing and when the doc labeled Scheduling-Order-ECF-175 dropped.

This is just a snippet of the document referenced above, because I wanted to highlight that it quite clearly shows the instructions for the Protective Order. (Some have commented elsewhere that it would be unfair if it was solely explained in the Magistrate’s audio instructions, and I wanted to clarify that that isn’t the case, for those following along silently.)

 

[Ted's of Beverly Hills]

Pro Se and In Forma Pauperis were intended to help the poor stand up to the rich and powerful. They were meant for an honest, honorable people, not for turds like Acerthorn or Russell.

I'm aware, and to be clear I don't think it's a problem in itself that there are provisions in the law for people with no resources to access the legal system.. It's just that these laws weren't written with degenerate time vampires in mind. People like that would have been tarred and feathered and ran out of town on a rail in saner times.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

I'm aware. People like that would have been tarred and feathered and ran out of town on a rail in saner times. These laws weren't written with degenerate time vampires in mind.

we used to be a high trust society.

 

[DavidS877]

They probably would go for it. The whole reason to shove those things into small claims is that they're too small to take a cut on. There's currently a gray area you just get a lot of tire-kicker type calls on that rarely ever go anywhere

The interesting thing is that there is a "Small Claims" version of copyright court.

https://www.copyright.gov/about/small-claims/

But like all small claims courts they have a limit. In this case $30k total and $15k per work.

Obviously Greer's copyrights are worth much more than that, along with his wanting to be deleted from KF and all the harassment claims, he decided not to avail himself of that option.

 

[Dizzyuntildeath]

we used to be a high trust society.

Yes, high trust and low ambiguity.
We sincerely trusted those diseases riddled blankets would wipe out those pesky Injuns.

 

[Swole McPole]

But like all small claims courts they have a limit. In this case $30k total and $15k per work.

Obviously Greer's copyrights are worth much more than that

$30k won't come close to funding the Wild West Shagaroo Gentleman's Luxury Skankpit.

 

[Useful_Mistake]