Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[oh no its pipkun]

That's been my question for some time now. Russ keeps harping on this alleged harassment by KF users but he never provides any credible evidence supporting these allegations. It's not like the farms is the only online or IRL community that has taken notice of Russ over the years.

Yes, this is a civil case, but even so, how are such unproven accusations allowed to have any bearing on any part of the case? Especially from a serial litigant with a history of making multiple baseless and unproven accusations in other cases. As others have mentioned, for all we know Russ could have written those himself and forwarded them to himself.

On top of that, he's a proven habitual liar, either by omission, or by admission after the fact. To paraphrase Russ on a previous suit- 'It was just a publicity stunt, not a lawsuit'.

the Judge hasn't ruled on the merits of the suit yet. he wants to get all the shit together so he can sort through it and see if this case can proceed to trial. discovery should've been over last year but russ decided to play games and delay everything.

 

[joebobmurphy]

I love how the dipshit judge is getting irritated. Yeah, your honor. You let a retarded mutt drag ass all over the carpet for four fucking years and now you need to rent a rug doctor. Maybe you should have whacked the dog instead of making excuses for him and granting his dumbass motions.

 

[The Dude]

I love how the dipshit judge is getting irritated. Yeah, your honor. You let a retarded mutt drag ass all over the carpet for four fucking years and now you need to rent a rug doctor. Maybe you should have whacked the dog instead of making excuses for him and granting his dumbass motions.

Just a reminder, this judge has not been presiding over the suit the entire four years. I believe it's only been since the appeal was granted by the 10th.

 

[Himedall All-seeing Waifu]

Even the damn troll who emailed Russell about the SPO and witness names explained to him exactly why the information didn't need to be redacted.

But, what if it was Russel who e-mailed it to himself? He is maliciously obtuse when it serves his needs.

Perhaps I'm more than Noah's ark, but in the Judge's mind has to be that the SPO even if it had been applied would have covered absolutely nothing of consequence.

You could argue, maybe, that an address can be covered by an SPO (and there are cases, sure, but I don't think this is one) but this faggot didn't even provide the addresses. Hardin had to find them himself. (I forget if he supplied one.

"I asked for a useless thing, failed to apply it to useless things, and now two months later want to use it as a gotcha against serious sanction discussions" is .... probably going to work out just fine for our retard.

And Hardin had to discover the address himself for his father, as I recall. It was not even in his 'disclosure'. Russel is whinging about information he forced Hardin to retrieve when he could have disclosed it under the SPO.

I know Greer can not dismiss his lawsuit but can he say "okay I lose" to end the whole thing and to stop fees from increasing?

No, he would need Hardin to agree, and he would be liable for the costs of the suit unless Josh agrees to have both sides pay their own fees.

 

[AnOminous]

Just a reminder, this judge has not been presiding over the suit the entire four years. I believe it's only been since the appeal was granted by the 10th.

The magistrate, Bennett, was on this case before Tena Campbell yanked her referral and dismissed the case. He has been involved in this case in some manner or capacity since Sep 29, 2020, before Tena Campbell withdrew the referral on Aug 10, 2021.

Somehow this guy ended up back on the case and has been back on it since.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

Even if jurisdiction is up for grabs again because of the fake witnesses, I don't think it's in Null's best interests for the same reasons I was wary of it going to Florida in the first place: it resets the bullshit clock.

This judge was finally sick enough of Russell to transfer the case against his cries, and is even more pissed at Russ now that he's sanctioning him, Russ has tattled to his boss, and whined he wanted to finally read the protective order he's been hollering about, while subtly name dropping the 10th circuit in attempts to intimidate the judge!

A new Judge wouldn't be so sick of Russ, he'd start fresh wearing that judge's patience thin.

Similar to the "the judge is just giving Russ enough rope" theory, a new judge would start "giving Russ enough rope" from square 1 for the next 4 years all over again!

 

[ShinyStar]

I have two additional observations about how awful his misrepresentations about his witnesses are... He said that he had witnesses who were eager to testify about how Kiwi Farms had devastated his *intellectual property.* His claim was that the witnesses were relevant to his cause of action. But when he shows the texts that the witnesses were going to testify about, they were, at best, about harassment. Not only that, but they were conversations where it is clear they weren't first hand witnesses of harassment, they were hearing reports second hand through Greer.

But even worse than that, the text sent to his father was sent in 2021 - after the case was filed. And the texts with his brother were from 2022. All the witness evidence was Russell complaining about the Farms *after* he sued Josh. So, manufacturing witnesses from whole cloth after the fact.

 

[Disgruntled Pupper]

May it shrivel and desiccate before blowing away as dust on the wind.

I like to think it would just dissolve into a puddle of drool that would evaporate in seconds in the Nevada dry heat.

Could Null's refusal to settle be negatively impacting the judge's disposition to him, either offically or unofficially? Is it possible the judge has been wanting and expecting that if things dragged out enough Null would jump on the chance to end this and would expect Null to give leniency to Shit Lips because he's just a poor little retard and the Farms have been so mean to him? When he didn't, and if he continues to do so, could it (again, either offically or unofficially) inspire retaliatory behavior that we could see in things like refusal to grant motions, continued or intensified hand-holding of Russtard, trying to low-ball granting of fees?

I imagine that offically Null has the right to refuse to settle and that judges are supposed to self-examine and correct their own bias when that option is taken- e.g. the judge really, really wants a case to go away but one side refuses to settle, prolonging the process, they're not supposed to let their frustration color their disposition to the party that won't settle. But I also imagine that such self discipline is too hard to do anymore and that nowadays most judges barely even put up pretenses that they're trying.

 

[The Dude]

I like to think it would just dissolve into a puddle of drool that would evaporate in seconds in the Nevada dry heat.

Could Null's refusal to settle be negatively impacting the judge's disposition to him, either offically or unofficially? Is it possible the judge has been wanting and expecting that if things dragged out enough Null would jump on the chance to end this and would expect Null to give leniency to Shit Lips because he's just a poor little retard and the Farms have been so mean to him? When he didn't, and if he continues to do so, could it (again, either offically or unofficially) inspire retaliatory behavior that we could see in things like refusal to grant motions, continued or intensified hand-holding of Russtard, trying to low-ball granting of fees?

I imagine that offically Null has the right to refuse to settle and that judges are supposed to self-examine and correct their own bias when that option is taken- e.g. the judge really, really wants a case to go away but one side refuses to settle, prolonging the process, they're not supposed to let their frustration color their disposition to the party that won't settle. But I also imagine that such self discipline is too hard to do anymore and that nowadays most judges barely even put up pretenses that they're trying.

You'd have to wait a few months for that "Nevada dry heat" since its winter and even Nevada gets cold in the winter. Deserts are always thought to be scorching heat, but they get damn cold as well, especially when the sun goes down. Hell, Vegas has even been known to get snow at times.

 

[Disgruntled Pupper]

You'd have to wait a few months for that "Nevada dry heat" since its winter and even Nevada gets cold in the winter. Deserts are always thought to be scorching heat, but they get damn cold as well, especially when the sun goes down. Hell, Vegas has even been known to get snow at times.

Believe me, I come from a climate not that much diffrent, I know it gets cold. But since this case won't end for another decade at least a couple months, I'm picturing spring/summer Nevada.

 

[Not a bee]

Instead of an angel or a devil on the Judge's shoulder I want to be the little Kiwi and tell the judge to send Russ a picture of Hitler.

Shitposting aside, I am glad the judge is getting irritated, it is about time.

 

[Thomas Talus]

Similar to the "the judge is just giving Russ enough rope" theory, a new judge would start "giving Russ enough rope" from square 1 for the next 4 years all over again!

Greer v. Moon drones on. This scarecrow of a suit has, over the course of time, become so complicated, that no man alive knows what it means. The parties to it understand it least, particularly the plaintiff; but it has been observed that no two magistrate judges can talk about it for five minutes without coming to a total disagreement as to all the premises.

 

[UselessRubberKeyboard]

I like to think it would just dissolve into a puddle of drool that would evaporate in seconds in the Nevada dry heat.

Could Null's refusal to settle be negatively impacting the judge's disposition to him, either offically or unofficially? Is it possible the judge has been wanting and expecting that if things dragged out enough Null would jump on the chance to end this and would expect Null to give leniency to Shit Lips because he's just a poor little retard and the Farms have been so mean to him? When he didn't, and if he continues to do so, could it (again, either offically or unofficially) inspire retaliatory behavior that we could see in things like refusal to grant motions, continued or intensified hand-holding of Russtard, trying to low-ball granting of fees?

I imagine that offically Null has the right to refuse to settle and that judges are supposed to self-examine and correct their own bias when that option is taken- e.g. the judge really, really wants a case to go away but one side refuses to settle, prolonging the process, they're not supposed to let their frustration color their disposition to the party that won't settle. But I also imagine that such self discipline is too hard to do anymore and that nowadays most judges barely even put up pretenses that they're trying.

Do judges actually give a damn about these things? I know nothing about the legal system in the US (save what you lovely Kiwis have explained), but I’m curious about how the judges’ views on stuff plays out. I guess they’re supposed to be impartial and on the side of the law, but do they actually get annoyed with cases, plaintiffs, defendants? Or are we assuming feelings where there are none?

To be fair to the judge, it can’t be easy to stay unmoved with reams and teams of petty bullshit like Russ files. Just wondering if the judge gets as frustrated with it as we might, or if it’s just another day and another case for him?

I guess what I’m actually asking is, is the American justice system full of this shit? Is Russ an anomaly or the norm? And are judges stone-cold bastards, or do they get pissed if with litigants?

 

[Lapsus of the bepsus]

do they actually get annoyed with cases, plaintiffs, defendants? Or are we assuming feelings where there are none?

yes
this thread is full of autists like myself who flip flop between BROS ITS SO FUCKING ORDERED... and WE ARE SO BACK and due to lacking the patience to wait a week for a new filing just reread the old shit and try to find bits in it that arent necessarily really there, like this judge playing 6d chess trying to get rusty to bankrupt himself to make the case go away but making damn sure not to let hardin in on the scheme, or perhaps the opposite and always extending a hand to rusty cuz muh mormon or something. you just dont know
at the same time judges are human and therefore prone to idiocy. thats why juries exist and thats why you can appeal important decisions

 

[Ted's of Beverly Hills]

I guess what I’m actually asking is, is the American justice system full of this shit?

Pro se in forma pauperis shitheads are the bane of the whole system.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

I imagine that offically Null has the right to refuse to settle and that judges are supposed to self-examine and correct their own bias when that option is taken- e.g. the judge really, really wants a case to go away but one side refuses to settle, prolonging the process,

Both settling, and refusing to do so is a legally acceptable use of process.

 

[Irene and 22 others]

I love how the dipshit judge is getting irritated. Yeah, your honor. You let a retarded mutt drag ass all over the carpet for four fucking years and now you need to rent a rug doctor. Maybe you should have whacked the dog instead of making excuses for him and granting his dumbass motions.

If the judge would actually listen to Russ's plights and then have the court litigate him his case this would already have been over, but the judge never let Greer explain.

Even if jurisdiction is up for grabs again because of the fake witnesses, I don't think it's in Null's best interests for the same reasons I was wary of it going to Florida in the first place: it resets the bullshit clock.

Fuck Florida, transfer it to the 4th. Maybe we can pull the based negro magistrate judge that just pimp smacked the shit out of Stebbins.

 

[Jotch]

At least Hardin will finally be compensated for covering this nightmare case when all he was paid was a flat rate for what should have been a short order.

 

[Lapsus of the bepsus]

At least Hardin will finally be compensated for covering this nightmare case when all he was paid was a flat rate for what should have been a short order.

he will be compensated for just one retarded and costly procedure he was forced to perform in vain out of at least several dozen by this point

 

[Al from Dadeville]

He doesn't think much past the lie in the moment when the teacher demands his homework. He really doesn't think far enough ahead to plan what comes next beyond a dream of fame fortune and whores.

Someone should ask Russ how he would feel if he hadn’t eaten breakfast this morning.
“But I did eat breakfast, at 11am with a hooker at an Olive Garden.”