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One thing about the Snowden leaks sticks out in my mind. If I am remembering the sequence of events correctly, Clapper perjured himself before Congress during the hearings on the leaks. He was asked if the NSA spyed on Americans, and answered no. The next day, the next batch of leaks that dropped showed that the spyig programs being revealed absolutely were targeting Americans. In light of that, it isn't surprising to me that Clapper participated in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop.
John Brennan and Jim Comey did, too. Those three are irrefutable proof that we have a two-tier justice system.
 
On the topic of the Japanese American internment camps, here is an interesting article on the subject.

The “Loyalty Questionnaire” of 1943 Opened a Wound that has Yet to Heal​

The Japanese American Citizens League is considering a resolution that proponents say would help heal a decades-old wound. The conflict stems from the disastrous “loyalty questionnaire” administered by the US Government to Nikkei citizens and immigrants being held in WWII concentration camps. Based on their responses to two questions, some 12,000 incarcerees were further penalized by the US Government and ostracized by members of their community. The resolution contends that “this stigma of ‘disloyalty’ and being branded as ‘no-no’s’ persists to the present day,” and that a formal apology from the JACL would help the community heal.

As the JACL membership considers this resolution, we offer some historical context that we hope will lead to deeper understanding of this complex and sensitive topic.

So what was the so-called “Loyalty Questionnaire” anyway?​

In 1943, the War Relocation Authority and the War Department joined forces to try and suss out Japanese American military recruits and loyal citizens that could be released early from concentration camps. The questionnaire required respondents to name references outside camp, list the publications they read, and share other relatively mundane details. The majority of the questions were patronizing and insulting given the circumstances, but largely benign.

However, Questions 27 and 28 were particularly problematic:
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The notorious questions 27 and 28 from the 1943 “Loyalty” Questionnaire. See the full questionnaire here.

Some respondents answered no to these questions because there was confusion and too little information about the consequences of answering “yes.” In a March 2019 interview with Densho, Ben Takeshita explained some of the confusion surrounding the two questions.

Of Question 27, Takeshita said:

“Now, if you were a young mother with kids, how could they, if they were responsible parents, how could they answer this ‘yes and serve on combat duty wherever ordered’? And also a father who had young kids yet, and was responsible for the family, how would he be willing to, or be able to answer this ‘on combat duty wherever ordered’?…So there was a lot of rumors about how to answer this question, and I remember rumors that this was one way that the United States was going to try to get rid of us by sending us all to combat duty. So there was a lot of questions as to how to answer that question.”

And of Question 28’s prompt to “forswear any form of allegiance or obedience to the Japanese emperor,” Takeshita noted:

“Many people who lived in the United States were born in the United States, had no idea who the Japanese emperor was. Of course, our parents knew because they were born in Japan and immigrated legally to the United States. But so if you answer this ‘yes,’ then that means that at one time you had sworn allegiance to the Japanese emperor, and now you’re swearing allegiance to the United States. And besides, our parents were Japanese citizens, born in Japan, they were forbidden by American alien land law in 1924 where they could not become American citizens even though they wanted to, and they could not own property. So it again became a dilemma, because like my parents, if they answered it ‘yes,’ then they would be a person without a country.”

In addition to the confusion surrounding the two questions, some opposed them on moral grounds, as Hiroshi Kashiwagi explained in his interview with Densho:

“Well, you know, the way we were treated, as non-citizens, and then to be, to asked, ‘Are you loyal?’….I mean, we certainly were loyal. Had we not been in camp, I mean, there was no question. And I remember the Nisei who were being drafted before the war, and I was in this men’s group, young men’s group, and we would have little parties, going-away parties for them. And I was picked to give a little speech. And so I would make this funny old patriotic speech, urging them to serve their country and so forth. And, yeah, so, but once we were treated like we were, then, yeah, I couldn’t register and say, ‘I will serve in the army wherever sent,’ and so forth. I really couldn’t.”

Tule Lake as Segregation Center​

The people who answered “no,” refused to answer, or qualified their responses were branded “disloyal” and dubbed “no-nos.” The WRA moved to segregate them from the rest of the incarcerated population.

Because of Tule Lake’s capacity and its high number of incarcerees who had given the “wrong” answers to questions 27 and 28, that camp was designated as the site where “no-nos” from all 10 camps would be concentrated. Under pressure from Congress, the army, and the Japanese American Citizens League (JACL), Tule Lake was officially rebranded a “segregation center” as of July 15, 1943. Twelve thousand segregees were moved to Tule Lake, while some 6,500 Japanese Americans who had supplied the desired responses were relocated to other WRA camps.

Barbara Takei writes in the Densho Encyclopedia that, “under segregation Tule Lake became a very complicated prison camp, bringing together the leaders, organizers and the disaffected from the other nine camps, making up two-thirds of the segregation center’s population. The remaining one-third of the population were the so-called ‘loyals’ who did not want to leave Tule Lake for removal to another WRA camp, a decision that contributed to much turmoil at the segregation center.”

Tule Lake incarcerees witnessed in increase in security, including more barbed wire and an additional fence being built around the camp’s perimeter; the arrival of 1,000 military police with armored tanks and cars; and an additional 22 guard towers built alongside the six that were already there. Inmates pushed back against deteriorating conditions, unsafe working conditions, and the increased security. The WRA responded with even harsher treatment, including the use of tear gas, curfews, barrack searches, and the imposition of Martial Law, which led to even greater suffering among the men, women, and children detained at Tule Lake. A separate “prison within a prison” was built to further punish those who resisted the US government’s unlawful treatment.

In addition to all the strife Tuleans endured because of the US government, they were also ostracized by other Japanese Americans. The stigma associated with Tule Lake and being branded “disloyal” created painful divisions among friends, families, and the community that linger to this day.

So what did the JACL have to do with this?​

As part of its efforts to cooperate with the US government and prove that Japanese Americans were good citizens, the JACL condemned acts of dissidence during and after the war.

Deborah K. Lim’s 1990 investigation of the JACL’s wartime activities revealed that the JACL hoped to disband any “disloyal” members. She writes that “inter-office correspondence beginning May 19, 1943 from Saburo Kido to Teiko Ishida contains the following discussion:

“Regarding members who answered ‘no’, Mike [Masaoka] suggests that we send out a bulletin to all chapters that such members will be suspended. He believes this is necessary for our records; that is, we should be clear as to the loyalty of our members. Also we cannot accept anyone who has answered, ‘no.’”

Because the JACL had no way to know for certain who was a “no-no,” they created and administered their own Loyalty Oath. In order to renew membership in the organization, individuals had to supply notarized proof they had taken the oath.

Lim concludes, “What is both implied and expressed in this correspondence is the presumption that those who answered ‘no’ to both questions were disloyal, and should be dealt with accordingly.’

Cherstin M. Lyon writes that after the war, the organization doubled down on its decision to condemn “no-nos” and other resisters:

“In February 1946, the national board of the JACL met during the Ninth Biennial National Convention in Denver, Colorado, and discussed what position they would take regarding all those who had protested their wartime treatment, including those who had renounced their citizenship and requested repatriation to Japan, ‘No-No’ resisters, and draft resisters. In response, the board formally condemned all of them, contributing to decades of marginalization for Japanese Americans segregated at Tule Lake, Nisei draft resisters, and others labeled ‘disloyal’ for their wartime resistance.”

A lasting stigma​

In her interview with Densho, Chizuko Norton recounted the negative response she received when people learned she had been incarcerated at Tule Lake:

Chizuko Norton: “And it was interesting to meet other Niseis, except that one of the first things that we would ask each other when we would meet a Nisei is, ‘Where were you in camp?’ And so if the word was Tule Lake, with all the, the horrible things that we had gone through—and people had associated that with us—that surely we must have been one of the ‘no-no’ people.”

Interviewer: “And so you received a negative reaction?”

CN: “Yes, of course. And not only by the returning veterans who really couldn’t stand us, but by most of the women students, too.”

The resolution currently under consideration by the JACL membership asks that, “in the spirit of reconciliation and community unity, a sincere apology is offered to all those imprisoned in the Tule Lake Segregation Center for acts of resistance and dissent, who suffered shame and stigma during and after the war due to the JACL’s attitudes and treatment towards individuals unfairly labeled ‘disloyal.’”

Given the importance of resistance then and now, Densho’s hope is that the stigma of disloyalty is lifted from those who courageously opposed the unjust actions of our country so that we can honor their actions and move towards healing.

Long story short, we know 126,000 Japanese Americans were interned total. In 1943, the United States (still at war with Japan at the time) put out a questionnaire loyalty test with two yes or no questions. A total of 18,500 people interned gave the responses of "no" for either question and so they put in the "wrong" answer. That's approximately 15% of the total interned Japanese-American population. It's not like the USA wasn't willing to give these people a chance either considering the 442nd Regiment (a segregated Japanese American combat unit) existed.
 
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a bunch of up and coming American female skaters were on the plane, multiple Olympic level athletes in the making

maybe im turning into a fag but hearing their teammates and coaches get choked up talking about how much passion they had and how much potential they had is getting to me
It’s really unfortunate. I’d rather it was congress in that plane. (Joke)

But I knew it was going to be quite a tragedy the moment the news came out.
 
Long story short, we know 120,000 Japanese Americans were interned total. In 1943, the United States (still at war with Japan at the time) put out a questionnaire loyalty test with two yes or no questions. A total of 18,500 people interned gave the responses of "no" for either question and so they put in the "wrong" answer. That's approximately 15% of the total interned Japanese-American population. It's not like the USA wasn't willing to give these people a chance either considering the 442nd Regiment (a segregated Japanese American combat unit) existed.

And the little fact that the government wanted to do the same thing to the Germans but there were too many of them in the US to realistically sort through and deal with.
 
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a bunch of up and coming American female skaters were on the plane, multiple Olympic level athletes in the making

maybe im turning into a fag but hearing their teammates and coaches get choked up talking about how much passion they had and how much potential they had is getting to me
I wish it had been the tranny roller derby skaters instead.
 
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a bunch of up and coming American female skaters were on the plane, multiple Olympic level athletes in the making

maybe im turning into a fag but hearing their teammates and coaches get choked up talking about how much passion they had and how much potential they had is getting to me
No it's normal to feel that way when it comes to needless loss of life. Being upset and then angry at the cause of this are both normal reactions so I'm not surprised people are one or both of them.

We have to fix the competency crisis that is at every level in this country or more lives are going to be lost. Just think back to the last year with all the Boeing plane issues and emergency landings and failed takeoffs... we have serious issues in this country and pushing DEI shit is a huge reason we are at this point.
 
Literally every single argument is

"Bu bu but niggers In Africa will die of super AIDS!"

Why the fuck is that any of our concern?
I mean, the unspoken argument there is that liberals think niggers are dumb retarded kids who can't function without our help and it's our duty to entertain their saviour complex. I wish more people pushed liberals on this point, like when they defend migrants but then someone brings some migrants with them to get them to house them.
 
Africans seems to have a lot of trouble thinking about the future. They live in the here and now, and consequences that come next year, next week, or tomorrow, have no bearing on their decision making. I also think that's why China is pushing America out of the rare mineral market. America/Britain has always handled Africa with the promises of long term prosperity. China jingles keys in their face and builds roads. Whoever provides them immediate satisfaction will always win their short term loyalty. They don't have long term loyalty, because the concept of "long term" doesn't exist to them.

I'm starting to think Ukrainians think similarly to Africans, but with 1-2 more days of clarity.
Can someone explain why leading nations must "compete" for the honor of being a paypig to the most repulsive useless people on earth? How did humanity get to be this way?
 
It is highly questionable if continued aid to Africa is even a good idea because they are currently experiencing a massive population explosion as a result of aid programs which the continent cannot sustain long-term.
Well, the continent could sustain that population. Just not under the current management...
 
And the little fact that the government wanted to do the same thing to the Germans but there were too many of them in the US to realistically sort through and deal with.
There was anti-German sentiment during World War 2 but it was a lot more common during WW1.

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Apparently some were interned but at the same time FDR intentionally sought out German-Americans for top jobs. Eisenhower and Nimitz come to mind.
 
And the little fact that the government wanted to do the same thing to the Germans but there were too many of them in the US to realistically sort through and deal with.
Ironically, very few Japanese in Hawaii were interned, despite it being right on the front line. At 1/3rd the population of the territory at the time, it would have destroyed the economy and made the territory inoperable due to the fact they dominated many sectors of the agricultural, commercial and skilled trades. They settled on interning Japanese who worked for Japanese corporations and the Japanese government, Shinto and Buddhist priests and Japanese language school teachers.
 
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