Disaster American Airlines Flight Collides With Blackhawk Helicopter Over DC - Several videos shared online showed footage of the collision and the aftermath of the crash.

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An American Airlines passenger plane crashed into the Potomac River after colliding midair with a black hawk helicopter over Ronald Reagan International Airport in Washington, D.C., the Federal Aviation Administration announced Wednesday (January 29) via CNN.

Several videos shared online showed footage of the collision and the aftermath of the crash.



BREAKING: American Airlines Flight 5342 has collided with a UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter near Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport. The military aircraft, identified as PAT25, is believed to be a Priority Air Transport mission, typically designated for VIP transport operations.



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Literally? "Nothing ever went wrong before". I'd bet a thousand bucks that was the reasoning. I also imagine there was a lot of "normalization of deviance" in the procedures surrounding helicopter flights around DCA, that led to the holes in the "Swiss cheese model" lining up, and resulting in the deaths of 60+ people.
I can see why Trump nuked the safety advisory committee, they were clearly shit.
You had one fucking job.
 
I can see why Trump nuked the safety advisory committee, they were clearly shit.
You had one fucking job.
For what it's worth "We've always done it like this and nothing bad happened" has been the root cause of many accidents. I'm not quite autistic enough to have a list of accidents on hand to qualify that statement, but it's happened before, and will likely happen again.

America's air safety record is, in general, quite good. One of the reasons this accident is so shocking is that the last major accident for a US airline was over 15 years ago. And, in this case, it seems the fuck up wasn't from the airline or pilots, but the US military. Of course, there have been far too many close calls in recent years, which could be blamed on Biden and previous administrations.
 
The cruelest thing about the death of a young person is the sheer loss of potential.
Reminds me of a guy once telling me he wished he had died in HS because that's when everybody thought he was going to win at life, do this, do that, so it would've been a real tragedy.

"If I die now I'll be that loser who finally kicked the bucket, nobody will care" he said.
 
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For what it's worth "We've always done it like this and nothing bad happened" has been the root cause of many accidents. I'm not quite autistic enough to have a list of accidents on hand to qualify that statement, but it's happened before, and will likely happen again.
I get that, and I agree that every with the maxim of "every safety rule is written in blood": Sometimes you just have to wait until shit happens to see - with hindsight - the obvious reason shit just happened.

But for the love of God, apply that across the board. You can't just say "drink driving is banned, except for the military" then get your Pikachu face on when a bunch of kids get mowed down on a crossing.

I have no idea if the military can drive drunk, btw. Up until today I'd have thought not, but now I'd like to see it in writing.

We've known for years that mid air accidents can happen, and are tragic. That's why rigorous ATC, TCAS, and not flying in funny goggles are worldwide standards: Just turning around and saying, after the fact, "Gosh, I had no idea military pilots are human and also fuck up" is utterly fucking retarded.

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Why is it that the fastest Pete buttsex responded to a transportation disaster is after he’s out of office?
This isn’t DEI. (Remarkably *little* actually happens due to DEI in aviation.)
If the stories about rejecting people who didn’t pass some bullshit dei-style test are true, then it’s not biden’s fault since it’s ten+ years of it now, but it could be Obama.
Does the NTSB automatically have "rights" to the Black Hawk wreckage and data recorders?

Is there any scenario in which the military (the army, in this case) can refuse to cooperate with a civilian investigation?
They theoretically could, but Trump is their commander and he can order them to stop fucking around.

(He could also order the military to not do training night flights in crowded airspace)

This has similarities to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Southwest_Airlines_Flight_182 which created class bravo airspace
 
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For what it's worth "We've always done it like this and nothing bad happened" has been the root cause of many accidents. I'm not quite autistic enough to have a list of accidents on hand to qualify that statement, but it's happened before, and will likely happen again.
FWIW - Military planes used to not have to have functioning transponders at all when just flying around, no matter how far they were straying into civilian space.

The practice ended after an F-4 Phantom with a knowingly-broken transponder collided mid-air with a DC-9 in 1971, killing 49 (everyone except the backseater on the Phantom)

Why hadn't anyone thought about what a collosally bad idea it was to have a Mach 2 capable jet sharing airspace w/ civvies and no means to let anyone know they were there?

"Nothing bad ever happened before..."
 
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I'm not sure what anyone who wasn't on the ship's bridge that day is supposed to do about a fucking cargo ship hitting a bridge. You can't fight physics, the forces involved in that collision were incredible.

Bootygeeg should hang for the train crash and subsequent poisoning though.
Conveniently forgetting the train that derailed and poisoned a town two years into his term as secretary of transportation. Whenever things went well for Trump in his first term the response was that he just inherited everything good from Obama, I remember people (well, mostly redditors so not really people) saying "it takes four years for a president's policies to have any effect!1!!" now it's the total opposite, everything that happens after the first second he's in office is categorically his fault. It's all so tiresome.
You guys talking bout my town? The EPA was on the ground within twelve hours. The NTSB did an excellent job investigating and holding NS responsible. NS owns the tracks, and their lack of maintenance checks is what caused the derailment. People are still waiting on the settlement money, but that's because a couple of people decided to appeal the judge's ruling well after the fact. I didn't want Buttigieg to come to town. He's not an expert, he was just the paper pusher in charge, though it would have been nice if he bothered to mention us before six weeks had already gone by. The press was annoying enough already, damn vultures. Especially when Trump came to give out water that someone else paid for with his name on it. No one even drank it because it had his damn name on it, which defeats the purpose. It became a collector's item. Anyway, I think we got more water from the very nice people in North Carolina who drove a whole convoy up than we did from Trump. Whew. Sorry. I've got feelings about 2023 and the shitshow of how people tried to use us for political clout. But I also got to meet the kindest most charitable humans in the world.
 
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Ones that were built during or before WW2 ... That South Korean airport that just ate a 737.
Muan International opened in November of 2007.


Chances are the CRJ pilots were doing everything right following an IFR path because it's night
Night doesn't automatically mean IFR. On clear nights, even airlines will use visual approaches, as was the case here. The procedure they were following was to use the approach for Rwy 1, then circle to Rwy 33. And while there is a published RNAV approach for 33 as well, it still requires a visual fix when making the turn to final.

As to what approach they were following to Rwy 1, I'm not sure, but given it was a clear night, it might have been the Mt. Vernon Visual Approach. For reference, here's the RNAV approach for Rwy 1, and the RNAV approach for Rwy 33.
 
Why hadn't anyone thought about what a collosally bad idea it was to have a Mach 2 capable jet sharing airspace w/ civvies and no means to let anyone know they were there?
Screw civvies, I believe we’ve lost more military aircraft to pilot stupidity and other shit than to enemy attack since the Vietnam war.
 
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RIP to all the lives lost.. poor people just flying. :(

Can't wait to hear the details of who weren't where they were supposed to be and who wasn't paying attention. (DEI air traffic control?) Because somebody sure as hell wasn't! These air spaces are tightly regulated and controlled. Or supposed to be normally. Somebody, or more than likely with these types of events, somebodies fucked up big time!

This is going to be an ep of Air Disasters in all likelihood. They've been getting a lot of new stories lately.... sadly.
 
These air spaces are tightly regulated and controlled.
Air Traffic Controllers aren't. Controlled Airspace isn't.

Once you tell ATC in visual conditions that you have the traffic you're not supposed to hit in sight, then it's your problem(the pilot). ATC might get some blame for not giving direction and heading to the target they weren't supposed to hit, but this one is probably 95-99% on the helicopter.
 
Air Traffic Controllers aren't. Controlled Airspace isn't.
It’s all to provide separation. If you’re in a shitty bugsplatter ATC will keep a close eye on you because they don’t fucking trust you.

But if military or commercial jet they trust you know what you’re doing.

Which is why I remember ATC completely ripping some citation pilot to shreds on the air because he kept insisting he was heading east when he was going west. “Is there an instructor onboard?”
 
If you’re in a shitty bugsplatter ATC will keep a close eye on you because they don’t fucking trust you.
Even in the small planes if you sound like you know what you're doing ATC will be very accommodating. The trick is to mute the passenger's microphones so ATC can't hear them praying or crying.
 
Was this more tranny terrorism? I have seen this rumor on X for a few hours tonight and was very hesitant at first to believe it- too convenient. However it's making its way over to more reliable posters and some of the background research this guy has done in this thread seems suggestive at the very least.

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If this all checks out, this blogpost is probably his trannifesto:

I grew up in a religious and conservative house. I was homeschooled all but 2 years of my K-12 education. I considered myself a conservative until 2016. I’m still religious today.
I come from a family of service. My cousin is Ret. Admiral James O. Ellis Jr., former commander of United States Strategic Command who is now a fellow at the Hoover Institution. My great uncle served in the Army during WW2 in the Battle of the Bulge as a forward artillery observer. My grandfather served in the Navy during WW2 hunting submarines. My older brother served in the Army as an M1 Abrams tank operator in Iraq in 2003. Service is in my blood.
I joined the Virginia Army National Guard in 2009 as a 15G helicopter mechanic. I deployed to Iraq for Operation New Dawn in 2011 and earned the Air Medal for serving as a helicopter door gunner. I served in reserve operations in Guatemala in 2014 for Operation Beyond the Horizon, deployed to Kuwait in 2016 for Operation Inherent Resolve, and completed my BA in International Relations while deployed to Kuwait.
I’ve had symptoms of what I now know to be “Gender Dysphoria” since I was 5 years old. I learned early to hide these symptoms from my family because I thought they meant I was a bad person. This led to healthy and not-so-healthy coping mechanisms. I thought that if I could just be more religious, more successful, more manly… that I would cure my condition.
I got married, bought a house, helped raise a stepdaughter, played drums in the church band, and adopted a dog. All the things I believed a good man should do. And I really wanted to do those things, but I also secretly hoped it would fix me. It didn’t work.
In 2020, as a Staff Sergeant, I applied and was accepted into the Army’s Warrant Officer Flight Training program. I completed Warrant Officer Candidate School, SERE School (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape), and the UH60 Black Hawk helicopter course. During the Pandemic and flight training, I realized that I had repressed my gender dysphoria symptoms and was finally at a point in my life and career where I could face them. I sought therapy and learned what options were available. I returned home from flight school and flew with my unit for a year before taking next steps. After much counseling and discussion with my spouse, we agreed that for my health I needed to take steps towards transition.
In 2023 I sent an email to my command giving them notice that I intended to start transition under the current in-service transition policy. My commander called me immediately after receiving the email and offered his support. I was met with overwhelming support from my entire command team and it would be kept confidential until I was ready to officially change genders. During this time, I started hormone treatment and started slowly presenting female in private or on vacations. I was medically stable and deployable 2 months later. Not every transgender person needs or wants gender reassignment surgery.
In 2024 I came out to my unit and started presenting publicly as a woman. Once again, I was met with overwhelming support from my unit at large. For obvious reasons, I was nervous I’d be unwelcome or make other females feel uncomfortable with my presence in the barracks, restrooms, etc. Many female soldiers in my unit offered their support. Some even went out of their way to make me feel comfortable in their space.
I’ve paid out of pocket for all my trans-related care. The military hasn’t covered any of it. I recently underwent facial feminization surgery and was non-deployable for 6 weeks. This was considered an elective surgery and not deemed medically necessary for transition. Similar to anyone who gets a nose job or face lift.
Since I’m part time military, I’ve also had to balance military obligations while working full time in the private sector. When I’m called up for service or training, I make less money than I do in the private sector. I say this to stress that this is coming from a servant heart and not motivated by finances or promises of medical care.
I’ve served in the same unit for 15 years. I want to serve at least 15 more. I love my state and I love my country.
Jo has served 15 years in the Virginia Army National Guard. Her current rank and job title is Chief Warrant Officer 2 (CW2) – UH60 Black Hawk Pilot. She has served in combat zones in Iraq and other operations overseas. She is a transgender woman and recently transitioned while serving in the military. When not serving her country, she works as an IT Engineer in the private sector and previously worked as the Digital Media Manager for Smerconish.com. She enjoys flying airplanes, racing cars, playing musical instruments, and skateboarding. The views and opinions presented are those of Jo Ellis and do not necessarily represent the views of DoD or the Army.
 
If this turns out to be true then a lot of people saying Trump was holding back a lot at the conference were right. Seems too on the nose, but this is probably going to blow up all over the place even if denied will be a conspiracy theory no matter what if it gains traction.
 
You’d think if a tranny pilot caused all this Trump would have named them immediately and changed the investigation to one of a possible attack. Why hide the identity?
Because the people in the military hid the information from the public if this is true. Including hiding information from the President himself. They know the identifications of the pilot and crew in seconds but withheld them from the public for various reasons. Looks like the real reason might be that the pilot was a mentally ill kamikaze troon. It certainly looked like the pilot took a straight shot into the airliner.
 
You’d think if a tranny pilot caused all this Trump would have named them immediately and changed the investigation to one of a possible attack. Why hide the identity?
I don't think being CIC grants you immediate knowledge about everyone in uniform.
I do think people would try and hide this information, though.

If true.

Knowing how many journos read the farms, I expect this will be public knowledge soon, either way.
 
Because the people in the military hid the information from the public if this is true. Including hiding information from the President himself. They know the identifications of the pilot and crew in seconds but withheld them from the public for various reasons. Looks like the real reason might be that the pilot was a mentally ill kamikaze troon. It certainly looked like the pilot took a straight shot into the airliner.
That didn’t sound like a troon responding to ATC, does the co-pilot usually handle comms in a Blackhawk during flight?

I don't think being CIC grants you immediate knowledge about everyone in uniform.
I do think people would try and hide this information, though.
You’re telling me in the time since this happened, the POTUS never asked for the identities of the crew? Or SecDef? 🤨
 
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