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Should be a wild four years.

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I've already listed the Union states, by name, that allowed slavery during and after the Civil War.

You also named states that you claimed did not mention slavery at all when they seceded, and this entirely unsourced claim turned out to be false. That's what's at issue. You are demanding me to provide you links to the sources I cited to disprove your unsourced claim. The fact is that, everything I found is on the first page of hits for "[state name] secession causes." And the fact that it is this pathetically easy to find primary sources disproving your claims shows me that you, yourself, have never even bothered to take a cursory look at primary sources while claiming to have such a thorough knowledge of all the politics leading up to the Civil War as to state, unequivocally, that half the states never mentioned slavery anywhere in the surviving records we have.

This is something that you, and others, have outright ignored to respond to.

The fact that Kentucky did not secede does not somehow prove your claim that Florida's secession was unmotivated by slavery. You can page through the Journal of the Proceedings of the Convention of the People of Florida in 1861, which I gave you a link to, and see that slavery was the central topic.

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That's just in the first few pages.

Instead, you call me a "Lost Causer", which is wrong, and that I support slavery, which is even more wrong.

Fine, you're not a "Lost Causer," you're just repeating the historical claims of Lost Causers. It changes nothing. You're still wrong, and your claims about the secessionists are disproved by the secessionists' own words.

I have nothing else to say to you because you made it clear that you're not interested in arguing in good faith.

The person who keeps demanding more and more sources while providing none is the person arguing in good faith. The person poring over historical records and providing you highlighted texts because you can't be bothered to crack open a book is arguing in bad faith. Okay! ;)
 
If I learned anything laws are just there to restrict fun. Gov just wants to rain on everyone's party. Hence why you can die in the sand at 18 but can't drink.
Don't drink and drive. I've crashed multiple cars without booze. Bro you don't need a depressant running through your system to get a 100% crash rate.
That's not what i meant... lmao. What i mean is i hope the stress doesn't fuck her up to badly because politicians and presidents tend to age quickly. I'm not interested in her. I'm just shocked she's young in the first place.
Trump likes young blonde chicks. Do... do you even know who Trump is??? Yes that was always going to be his secretary pick, YOU FOOL!
Mountain Dew doesn't make the voices shut up.
No it makes them go faster. That's the fun.
 
Let's fucking goooooo

At least six senior FBI leaders have been ordered to retire, resign or be fired by Monday, according to sources briefed on the matter, extending a purge that began last week at the Justice Department across the street from the FBI headquarters.

The senior officials are at the executive assistant director level or special agent in charge level and include those who oversee cyber, national security and criminal investigations, the sources told CNN. Some were notified while Kash Patel, President Donald Trump’s pick to lead the agency, sat answering questions from senators for his confirmation hearing Thursday.

Trump transition officials in recent months have signaled plans to push aside leaders promoted by former FBI Director Christopher Wray.

The leadership changes have drawn internal consternation, in part because these officials didn’t have anything to do with prosecutions of Donald Trump, which have been the focus of the president’s ire.
 
Any give a qrd on what Trump getting elected in 2016 felt like? (I wasn't that interested in politics back then) I heard the main difference between then and now is that it legit felt out of the blue. Like, no one expected Michigan and Pennsylvania to flip.
I was in my early 20s at the time and my circle were mostly all edgelord, vaguely libertarian-leaning millennials that bonded over saying nigger and making rape jokes, nobody was really very politically engaged and until the election I didn't think anyone I knew actually took it that seriously. I had supported Trump going into the election and voted for him, and I remember the morning after the election I went into a group chat to gloat a little, just like a playful "haha my guy won", expecting mild groans. About half of them instead were having breakdowns, going on about how America is dead, scumbag white pigs deserve death, everything you came to expect in the years after. Some immediately cut me off and we never meaningfully spoke again. It caught me completely off guard because they gave no indication of even caring who the President was up until that election, and for some of them it was like a switch was flipped and they never really got over it or went back to normal to this day. Funnily enough, I somehow stayed close to one of the worst offenders of this in 2016, and by last year they did a complete 180 and supported Trump 24 harder than I did.

The main thing I remember is the suddenness of it, the shift really did seem to happen overnight like a dam bursting all at once, the exact same vibes as that photo from today of the FBI DEI wall being painted over, just in reverse. This time around I haven't witnessed as many reactions as extreme as 2016, they seem more demoralized and trying not to think about what's happening, and when they discover a group is not a leftie echo chamber they just slink away in silence now instead of shrieking.
 
I've actually been thinking on this a lot lately for reasons and I agree. Nihilism isn't meant to be an end state, it's a filter. You bottom out in life and you hit the filter of nothing has inherent meaning, no one cares, and no one is coming to save you. I mean, I'm a Christian, so it's a slight modification to only eternal things, the things of God, have inherent meaning because they're the only things that last, but that's just Ecclesiastes, go read it. So you either get filtered, sink into nihilistic hedonism "Nothing matters," or you pass through the filter, learn that you decide the meaning of things, no one cares and that's a good thing, because you can just do things. Maybe the climb back out of the abyss is Sisyphean, but you can imagine Sisyphus happy. Existentialism is about getting out of the Abyss. If we've learned anything the last two weeks, make it You Can Just Do Things.

The things I think about when I'm supposed to be working, chasing loose thoughts down.

Kierkegaard wrote at length about existentialism for religious people, and in particular, Knights of Faith.
 
Kierkegaard wrote at length about existentialism for religious people, and in particular, Knights of Faith.
I do like Kierkegaard, I have not read nearly as much as I'd like. Someday I'll get my reading list to a point I can slide him in there. Someday. I think too many people read Nietzsche in high school and stop when they get the God is Dead part and buy their first black trench coat and trilby. Kierkegaard, Camus, Dostoevsky, just ignore the French perverts.
 
Because niggers bad. Or something. It can't be slavery is a sin no matter the skin tone
It's a little ironic that people choose to be atheist despite the clear counterfactual that without the church like 90% of the population would still be serfs/slaves/whatever sub class of humans.
 
I do like Kierkegaard, I have not read nearly as much as I'd like. Someday I'll get my reading list to a point I can slide him in there. Someday. I think too many people read Nietzsche in high school and stop when they get the God is Dead part and buy their first black trench coat and trilby. Kierkegaard, Camus, Dostoevsky, just ignore the French perverts.
Nietzsche, if understood, would drive people to be lawyers, doctors, etc, not just go edgelord. On the other hand, they're discouraged from reading and learning, castigated and insulted for their age, their sex, and for reading into Nietzsche at all.

Why not, after all? Men are shit on, young men can't articulate how to defend themselves, and Nietzsche is scary for people since he's basically telling you to take radical responsibility for your self.
 
What I don't understand is why Lost Causers are so insistent on pretending this didn't happen. You've already planted your flag on the claim that slavery wasn't bad, so what motivation could you possibly have for denying that the South seceded to protect it?
I just feel like the civil war being about "Ending Slavery" is central to American mythos and makes everyone feel goody about being American and people cant seem to let that go in an almost religion-esque manner. A lot of people dont seem to want to admit that it was more dynamic than good (non slavery) versus evil (slavery). That is what I want to push back on.

Just like how we can admit that world war 2 wasnt just about hitler wanting to kill some jews and we can look at the dynamic forces that brought it to fruition.
 
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